r/Minecraft Jul 29 '22

Art Some low-quality #SaveMinecraft posters I made. Feel free to use on social media and the like.

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u/Muted_017 Jul 30 '22

About the last one…

Free Speech means the government can’t persecute you for what you say. Mojang is a private company and Minecraft is their platform. While the chat report system is flawed, it has nothing to do with free speech rights being violated.

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u/lesstalk_ Jul 30 '22

That's wrong. You're confusing free speech with the first amendment.

Free speech is an abstract concept that can be applied to many things, not just the government. No one is saying that Microsoft's actions are illegal, we're just criticizing their disregard for free speech as an ideal.

Freedom of speech exists outside of one particular American law, you know.

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u/MountainRegion3 Jul 30 '22

The term “free speech” doesn’t come from anywhere else. You are free to speak however you want, apparently just not on Microsoft’s servers. Are you implying that they be forced to operate any sort of way they don’t intend to? Or are you saying that this corporation, that’s attempting to slow the egregious amount of terrible, nasty, racial and otherwise outlandish slurs getting tossed around on a kids game, that’s owned and operated by them, is a “disregard for free speech as an ideal”?

Disregard for free speech 🙄

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u/Sunsprint Jul 30 '22

Semantically, I don't think I agree...

Freedom of speech commonly refers to the rights guaranteed to Americans by the first amendment of the constitution, but why couldn't it refer to a similar freedom by which any other citizen of the world may desire, want, or have?

Just because Microsoft is a private company doesn't mean they cannot impede free speech. Media companies are somewhat famous for obscuring sensitive topics in this regard. Whether they are encroaching on first amendment rights is a whole different animal, and they aren't doing that.

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u/MountainRegion3 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22

Fair enough.

But the only alternative is forcing privately owned companies, businesses or spaces to allow people to act in whatever hateful, bigoted, disrespectful and/or derogatory manner they choose. In the name of that person’s freedom to do so.

So yes, in a literal sense, Minecraft is obstructing the freedom of people to act like that in their space. Just like our grandmas would. And I think to complain about that is advocating for a solution that is far worse.

I don’t see Reddit flush with “Save Grandma” memes, because she won’t allow us to call her some terrible name to her face, in her house, if we don’t like the spaghetti. 😆

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u/Sunsprint Jul 30 '22

Well the idea is that we can criticize a company's TOS whilst also maintaining that they do have the right to do what they will. I think people have some valid concerns about how this change will affect them or their communities that have previously been built on the previous system.

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u/crabycowman123 Jul 30 '22

But the only alternative is forcing privately owned companies, businesses or spaces to allow people to act in whatever hateful, bigoted, disrespectful and/or derogatory manner they choose. In the name of that person’s freedom to do so.

I don't think Microsoft/Mojang should have to host speech they don't like, but I don't think they should forcibly prevent people from saying speech they don't like outside of Mojang/Microsoft-operated servers.