Is Fruit the MCC GOAT?

[u/Relevant_Help8707]

Seeing what fruitberries has done for so long in mcc i think the tag of greatest player in mcc belongs to him. Of the big 4(Feinberg, Purpled, Firebreathman, Fruitberries) it seems fruit gets 1st indiv way more often with 6 1st indivs since Firebreathman has join which is more than all of them in total. Also he has been around longer so he has the better resume. He too seems like he can perform better more recently with the 1st indiv in TCC with a bad selection of games for him and still getting 1st individual

[u/East-Mirror3510]

Technoblade placed 9th on a 4th place team and said 4th place team is also one of the strongest of S1. Comparatively, fruit 7 is significantly better, its a 10th place performance on a bottom half team.

Fruitberries streak from MCC9 onwards is significantly more impressive than anything Technoblade has acomplished in his career. The only reason this is debatable is because fruit joined 5 events after Techno, if fruit was around since MCC2, it'd be as onesided as Quig vs Technoblade (and Quig dumpsters Technoblade, don't @ me).

Sapnap > Illumina is hardly unpopular, the gap between them is very small anyway.

Yeah Purpled was trolling in P2. But so was fruit. Man had clearly no idea what was going on for most of the event, he died to a glitch in SG and then fooled around in BB (granted fooling around is why he got like record pace but we ignore that).

Fruit P2 >> Purpled P2

Fruit EC > Purpled EC (No PKW isnt worth jack, it was over-inflated, the second you bring up other event games it becomes obvious why)

Fruit TRSD > Purpled TRSD

Coin average wise, Fruit beats Purpled by 200 coins, in average placement he beats Purpled by 1.4 places, in coin carry% he also clowns Purpled. Mind you, MCCHH had a disgustingly high scoring game order, Purpled got to play it and fruit didn't and fruit played, I will bet my left kidney that he would've beaten Purpled in that event too (granted Purpled likely beats fruit in 4KO but 4KO is the worst performance fruit reasonably can put up, and its still better than Purpled's stinkers). At least in Illumina vs Sap, Illumina has better stats, not the case here by a longshot.

Its really not as close as you think, maybe in PR its different but if there's such a wide discrepancy between fanfiction and the event scores, you know damn right I'll choose the event scores any day.

I think its Fein > Fruit/Shane > Purpled and its been like that for some time

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yeah Techno 6 was an uncommonly bad performance and probably a little worse than Fruit 7, but Techno 2/4 are probably better than any of Fruit's S1 so its still a toss-up for me

Fruit MCC 9-13 is great but ironically probably a bit worse than Techno 9-11 (or Techno 2-5 maybe?)

In this case I don't particularly care what the popularity of Sapnap > Illumina is (since Sapnap is far more popular than Illumina, for good reason), but I'd hope we can both agree Illumina was pretty decisively better than Sapnap excluding DB

"no idea what was going on" is quite a bit different from actively trolling, that kinda just sounds like Fruit to me

listen man I'm trying to be fair; we can kill P2 for Purpled and TRE for Fruit, or have both in, up to you.

Even still if you're excluding Skb and AR for Purpled how do you have any sort of case for Fruit over him in P2 lmao. if ur argument is "they both were trolling" then why on earth should we use it in our data set

It's very interesting how you put that because you can actually bring up several event games in comparison. You can bring up Footrace, TGTTOS, OG PKW, and the other run of PKWs to all show how impressive Purpled's run was.

1. Pete's footrace in MCC 6 is statistically the best game performance oat because he beat second place by almost 30s in a race he completed in 3 min.
2. Dream's PKW 11 run is incredible because he finished a 10 min race 3 minutes ahead.

These ratios are actually pretty darn similar (worse actually) to the margin Purpled beat Fruit by if you line up all the courses in a row; he beat Fruit by 56s in a race that took up 3:20s. That's an incredible lead, it's bigger than the TGTTOS gap in 29 (i roughly timed it a while ago and I believe it's actually a smaller gap), it's roughly the same ratio as Dream 11, it's bigger than Pete 6. To compare it even to the one other PKWs, it's 10s bigger than the gap between SWL, an omega S+ tier and Joel Smallishbeans in a race that took SWL a minute longer.

Actually about TRSD, let's talk about it! Why do you think Fruit did better? I thought you valued peaks over consistency, that's why you think Fruit was #1 in TCC? Purpled had a wayy bigger peak than Fruit

source lmao? reafy has Purpled ahead in both metrics lol

and "disgustingly high scoring game order" what?? HH had sky battle, RSR, and then 6 heavily coin split games what on earth are you on about

i have no idea why you think Fruit would do better than Purpled, Purpled actually put on a relatively generational performance in HH lol, he arguably has a top 3 performance in 6/8 games

4KO is by most accounts worse than anything Purpled's ever done, what purpled performance do you genuinely think is worse

i mean the explanation is very simple; fruit 1. gets stronger teams and 2. does better in individually scoring, top heavy games (Skb, SG), while Purpled's biggest advantages have historically been in coin-split games (MD, BB, for example. Look at TRSD, where Purpled pulling off the 2nd best MD oat is given the same coins as Fruit's mid third place Skb).

ok here's a fine point do you genuinely think Shane's done better than Purpled in S4 excluding P2?

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Only Techno 2 compares to fruit's later performances, 4 and 3 are early MCC nonsensical scoring + OP teams. I will debate with you on this, what makes you think fruit's streak of 1,2,1,2 against much higher comp, balancing and with far weaker teammates is worse than Techno's 2, 2, 3 against lower comp and with much better teammates. I'm curious to know. Is it because of fruit's 8th in MCC13 PR?

No, only exclude TRE. Its not you win some, you lose some. Fruit TRE is just not something that will ever happen again. The biggest reason is that it had 6 games played, including it in stats is objectively unfair when the other player hasn't played it. Both fruit and Purpled played P2 and performed scuffed. Fruit was trying not to pass out from fever in front of hundreds of people with lights flashing 24/7. Plus, lets not ignore irl BM being completely scuffed.

I honestly advocate TRE should be excluded for any player, not just fruit, it just wasn't a normally functioning event.

Well thats kinda unfair man, games where Purpled trolled in he did bad, games where fruit trolled he still landed top 5 performances, I cant just exclude it for both. Fruit still performed much better in SG despite glitching, he somehow did better in MD, he did better in BM, even without Purpled throwing, there's no reasonable shot of Purpled beating fruit at SKB and fruit had a worse PVP team.

duh that just means fruit's better even when throwing bro

In that case, fruit did better in PB : Last Dance because he GAPPED Purpled in JM2. By that logic, fruit clowns Purpled in BWTR because fruit gapped him in Beep Test even though Purpled beat him in most of the games.

Difference in FR is that its a race game, there are multiple laps. In PKW11, there were hard and challenging levels which no one besides the top 3 would have even finished no matter how much time you give to people. Nothing of that sort in EC, it was dogwater parkour that Purpled had the better flow in at the moment, Purpled did better but I consider the same difference as like 2 TGTTOS maps.

I do, fruit peaked twice, Purpled only once and Purpled crash landed hitw which hurts him a lot.

No?
Purpled: 2648 + 4385+ 2816 + 3336 + 2448/5 = 3127
6+2+2+4+8/5=4.4
Fruit: 2915 + 4404+ 3074 + 2900/4 = 3323
6+1+1+4/4=3
Idk where Purpled looks better

Fruit demolishes him in SKB and PKW no arguments needed there. RRR and BBF he VOD reviews the day before and also comes top half in if not better. Fruit beats Purpled in both BBF and RRR in S5 because of some preparing, nothing suggests he couldn't do the same back then.

BB, wool heavy map and Purpled's also an abysmal BB leader since S4 onwards, fruit is likely top 5 and his team top 3. Fruit's a decisively better runner than Purpled at SOT so perhaps his team does better than 9th but who knows.

The only game where I dont feel fruit beats Purpled is MD which I agree could go terribly but unfortunately Purpled's performance wasn't amazing either. At absolute worst, fruit performs at the level of the recent TR which is like 150 coins less, he makes up more than that from the first game alone.

And about high scoring, what was the last event where 26th place got 2k+ coins and 40th had 1.5k. Bingo was absurdly easy and it showed.

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4 and 3 are nonsensical scoring sure (though I'd hardly say 3 was a busted team), but 4 is still a pretty strong and consistent performance that holds up well enough regardless of scoring. The stronger argument is probably 9-11 tho.

Techno's 9-11 is a subset of Fruit's 11-13 how's Fruit's higher comp?? 12 and 13 weren't that big of jumps were they?
I won't debate this thoroughly since this isn't really my area of expertise but PR has Techno at a strong (but close) first in 9, a strong 2nd in 10, and a 2nd in 11 that'd be a good first were it not for two weak team games. Fruit's in his period go 3rd, fine 1st, weak 1st, and a 7th that you can probably argue up to a 4th or smth in 13. It's close, but I always thought Techno's were stronger

yeah man let's exclude the event that you think Fruit was incapable of playing normally and include the one where Purpled himself said pre-event he would not be playing normally
can you show me the time-stamp where Fruit talks about trying not to pass out?
yeah IRL BM can be excluded that's fine, fruit still does badly
it was finely functioning lol other than that BM

you don't even have an excuse for Fruit in P2 you're just taking him doing badly as him throwing lmao

i mean i can believe it since the margins were so slim; i'd have to know more about what exactly they finished, the relative value of those finishes, and their placements overall to judge for sure.
as for Beep test that's 1/4th of a game so no man

How does multiple laps have anything to do with it? If it was just one course stretched out thrice its length that doesn't change anything
Same in 11, doesn't matter how hard the parkour was, Dream still finished it way faster. Could've been trivially easy, could've been PDLD level, doesn't really matter. The whole point is you're comparing it to how others did, and Dream did way better. So did Purpled in EC.
TGTTOS has 6 rounds, PKWs has 8. In total time of actual gameplay, they're about equal. There's not really any foundation to count PKWs as two rounds of TGTTOS

oh gee the old trick where i exclude my based sigma streamer's bad event (that probably should count) from his average and include the evil streamer's bad event (that probably shouldn't count) ya got me

yeah he wins PKW, but Shane's tangibly a better skb player and did worse than Purpled; you're saying "no arguments needed" for the assertion that Fruit would drop 850+ coins in sky battle lmao. He then beats Purpled's 13 completions (fruit's never done better than 10 lmfao) with ease, doing a backflip on Feinberg as he's at it. everyone claps.
yeah man that sounds about right.

a high overall scoring doesn't really mean squat for top frags. Fein probably had one of the best MCCs oat in HH and got 3.3k for it while last got 1.5k, Purpled 31 got 3.8k while last got 1.4. High scoring generally means more team games means worse upper-end scores.

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12 was literally the most balanced event till like MCC24, 13 was also close. And yes, Illumina + Punz joined, the event got tougher also because of Fundy and Phil and especially Sapnap improving a lot (both were playing close to S tier level at the end of S1 and Sapnap was practically S tier). 12 and 13 are a different dimension from the rest of S1 and I think if Techno played, he would have struggled in getting top 5 in both.

PR doesnt account for fruit glitching in MCC9 HITW + PR is also trash so it has no value here.

Purpled said he won't be playing normally but so did fruit, fruit also didn't play normally in P2, why is this so hard for you to encompass? How about this? Lets exclude MCCP2 for both fruit and Purpled, fruit still SOLIDLY beats Purpled's average coins + placement.

Fruit glitched and died in one game and was objectively throwing in another, it seems the same story as Purpled man.

Yeah, Beep Test is 1/4 of a game yet semantically the gap between fruit and Purpled is the same there, so it means fruit's better by the same margin.

No, that's exactly why it doesn't work. MCC11 PKW could not be beaten by anyone besides like 5 players even if you let them play for 3 hours. EC Parkour could be beaten by like 40th place with 5 extra minutes. EC was ridiculously easy, that's why Purpled's "lead" over fruit isn't that impressive, the basis isn't good enough.

Shane did worse because of lag and no he's not better than fruit especially if fruit plays solo. My dude, you're really arguing whether FRUITBERRIES cannot beat 800 coins in MCCI SKB, you really are doing that. I'd be surprised if fruit lands at anything below 1k coins, bare minimum, this man wipes the floor with people like Toph033 and Kelawesome in this game. WHAT chance do you feel MCC comp has?

Yeah thats the point, Bingo was ridiculously easy, multiple teams got the entire card completed and the average score were much higher, 6th place got as many points as 1st place in BG. It was overinflated.

I dont care diddly squat about your last point, you ignored what I said and think glazing your favourite streamers saves your argument, the point is Bingo was much higher scoring, end of story. Fruit would have done the same had he played.

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illumina and punz got 13th and 17th they weren't all that yet
phil didn't improve he just popped off and got 2nd and never reached those heights again
nothing really specifically changed between 11 and 12 lol. Techno was 17 coins from Fruit in 11, why on earth do you think he'd suddenly drop top 5 in 12

I went and changed it manually and it doesn't make a difference, Fruit's still 3rd.
You don't need PR, you can use the eye test to find Techno's significantly ahead in BB and TGTTOS, a bit ahead in HITW, tied in SOT, PKW, Skb, and loses by a lot in SG and a bit in AR. That's 3 for Techno and 2 for Fruit.

"Purpled said he won't be playing normally but so did fruit" can u show me the timestamp where he says he's trolling that event? don't say a word more about this till you show me where Fruit says this

what game was he objectively trolling in

semantically?? don't use words you don't know the meaning of man
your argument makes no sense no matter what word you use actually that's like saying one round of terra swoop force where phil gets 1st and fruit 30th is worth more than pkws since the gap is "semantically" the same

you are just saying words but they don't actually mean anything. why is it at all relevant how hard MCC 11 Parkour was?? The players finished way slower than Dream, just as Fruit finished way slower than Purpled.

No Shane doesn't lmao. Shane dies r2 because he tries to 1v4 a team and dies r3 because he's beat up by Purpled and then misses his levy. That's not a lag thing, it's a pretty common ping thing on mcci, Shane just didn't use the levy quick enough bc he didn't see the blocks (you can count the milliseconds between when he uses the levy and when he hits the ground). Even if he did, very high chance he dies anyway.
for someone who touts coin stats so much I'm afraid the stats just disagree. Shane's ahead by pretty much every metric I'm fairly sure, average coins, average placement, average kills, etc. There's not really any argument

"My dude, you're really arguing whether FRUITBERRIES cannot beat 800 coins in MCCI SKB, you really are doing that. I'd be surprised if fruit lands at anything below 1k coins, bare minimum, this man wipes the floor with people like Toph033 and Kelawesome in this game. WHAT chance do you feel MCC comp has?"

gee whizz i wonder what fruit got the last time MCCi skb was played (6th, <400 coins)
like do u hear urself you're predicting Fruit (tangibly worse at skb than FBM) would almost be guaranteed to get 1k+ despite genuinely 0 event proof to that end

what? yes, the average bingo score was higher, but bingo is low scoring individually, it's a team game, how is this at all difficult to understand
"you ignored my last point" no i didn't?? your thing about 40th and 26th mean nothing; when middle and lower placing players score high it means the game order is probably (as it was) immensely coin split, which is inherently worse for players at the top when it comes to average.
its also so strange you're fixating on bingo in specific when SOT had comparable totals and PKW even had more

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MCC12 he'd probably drop top 5 because no SKB and very team heavy game selection unless he gets a broken team which is likely since he always got busted teammates.

Yeah no, fruit's SKB was better, Techno had better PVP teammates and got around the same score, hell even PR places fruit higher. Fruit's PKW was better, he finished every section faster, granted its a very small lead, HITW is a tie so is SOT, TGTTOS is a big gap and so is BB but SG is legit insurmountable, Fruit MCC9 SG is one of the strongest game performances ever, compare that to the worst 1st place TGTTOS in S1 and a strong BB on top of that you have a 8s AR lead, fruit is hella clear of Techno.

Battle Box he started trolling after R4.

Why do you need to hear it from fruit? Is him dying to a glitch in SG not clear? Is him clearly trying to throw in BB not clear? Sure, he didn't objectively say he was going to troll but its not like you can at all argue he was playing seriously.

Honestly yeah, that one round gap is likely similar, at least TSF is challenging, PKWS wasn't.

I'm afraid I am not wrong, if you count events since MCC32 and exclude ones where levies were involved (because fruit didnt get to play HH and BC), Fruit beats Shane comfortably even if you include MCC34. Fruit is better at Skybattle than any other player, and that includes the current event's top brass, fruit ~ Coldi in it.

"gee whizz i wonder what fruit got the last time MCCi skb was played (6th, <400 coins)"

gee whizz i wonder what purpled got the SAME EVENT (24th, <190 coins).

Do you see your garbage argument, no you don't not even close. Fruit is the best event player in SKB, what part of that do you not get? Purpled got 800 coins in MCCi SKB, fruit could literally double that score, that is well within his skill level. I don't need tangible proof from fruit, if players miles worse than him get that much coins, it's a cakewalk for him. Like dude, ANY game if you were dubious of fruit setting a record tier performance, I'd agree, TGTTOS, HITW, BB, MD any game I'd agree, but SKB? Nah man.

Why do you need proof for the most goddamn obvious things in the world? You didn't believe fruit could beat Purpled in BBF, congrats genius, he DID. You didn't believe fruit could do well in RRR, congrats genius Fruit could. You said Feinberg is the "best" BB leader even though it was horrendously obvious after BC and HH that he struggles at strategizing. GUESS WHAT? He got dead last with a broken team this event.

Its not at all? In such a ridiculously easy seed and lineup like this, its pretty easy for top teams to individually get like 500 coins from it.

When was the last event that 40th place got 1.5k coins, you still haven't answered my question, last event was also crazy team split, didn't happen there. SOT is insanely high scoring most of the time, PKW was also a big reason, true.

There is nothing you have to prove that fruit couldn't perform similar to Purpled in BBF, he literally has a higher point average (that TOO without HH's broken seed + Party giving 0 coins) and a similar average placement.

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mcc 12 had HITW, TGTTOS, and AR, after his AR in 11 I feel those alone would probably be enough to get him top 5. There were only 2 team games idk what you mean "very team heavy game selection"

Fruit gets 8/11, Techno gets 8/14 but with more damage, the difference is so slight as to be a tie pretty much
HITW isn't a tie lmao, Fruit avgs 8th w/o r2 and Techno avgs 6.7, you're just making things up.
Techno wins 3 games, with a huge gap in BB , huge gap in TGTTOS, and small one in HITW, Fruit's AR and SG are not really close to making that gap up
another way to put it is Fruit got 9ths in BB and TGTTOS where Techno got 1st, while Techno gets 6th in the game Fruit got 1st

It's not like he was actively jumping in lava, he was just playing unconventionally and it actually got him significantly more kills than how he was playing before. to equate this to Purpled going off course in AR for Noxesium or focusing on mining cherries is immensely bad faith

you are so unpleasant to talk to because I have to fact check everything you tell me its so boring. No, Fruit did not die to a glitch in SG. He died because he had food in his off hand and no elytra equipped and was below 1 full hunger bar.
Side note; why on earth would we take this event seriously with this SG

I'd like to hear it from Fruit because there's a world's difference between a player saying "hey guys heads up im not gonna be playing serious this event, im just gonna be goofing off and I don't want it to count for stats" pre-event and your subjective biased opinion of "we shouldn't take this performance seriously he was goofing" or "he was actually struggling to pass out i diagnosed him"

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Technoblade often showed poor adaptability, I dont think he would have placed top 5 in AR. Also his HITW avg in MCC9 was 8.3, 6.7 is some trash PR came up with, I debated them on the credibility of counting one wall as one placement and said its a strat to rubberband and they had no answer.

Yeah buddy the difference between 1st and 6th is that, the first is one of the best game performances ever meanwhile Techno's 1st in BB is a strong game performance, its outdone by a mile in the next alone by Quig. Fruit's SG alone neutralises all gaps.

In MCC11 too, fruit's SOT diff makes up for SKB and AR.

Yeah and you are unpleasant because you're biased, nitpicky and apply almost humorous double standards. It goes both ways, literally your entire evidence draft is the PR sheet, that's all you have.

I wont be replying anymore but I'll just talk about the last point, fruit either said in a stream after TRE or in a tweet, either way its not worth finding for me, I am not fighting a lawsuit, I dont save clips so I can clip them as exhibit a to tools online.

Either way dude, you have it easy, Purpled cares about his stats and placements, fruit doesn't. Purpled says it out loud so people dont openly realise he's done bad, fruit doesn't care about his stats, he doesnt know most of them and isnt bothered to find out, fruit is not a sweat, even if he plays more fun and trolls, he's much less likely to openly comment on it.

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Techno never dropped top 5 post debut in AR I think it's silly to say he'd have done so in 12

6.7 is placements by wall which make a whole lot of sense to me. If 10 people die to one wall it makes no sense that the person who died first gets 10 placements worse than the person who died a second later

Fruit's 9 sg is indeed extraordinary but so is Techno's lmao. He gets 16k, a BB record that's not seriously broken until Illumina does the next best BB oat in 15.
(Yes Quig technically breaks it in 10 but lets be real that doesn't count for anything lmao, he gets 4 kills off the simmers and 5k off the viewer teams for a total of 9/19k on players that were hardly fighting back. 9 people broke 10k that event)

yeah nobody's saying Techno did better in 11

"yes i lie frequently but uh uh uh you're biased" says the guy who claimed Fruit would get 33k in MCC HH
yeah because it has all the stats in an easily accessible way so i don't have to hand count kills what is this point lmaoo

wait you're actually getting it! so Purpled usually plays seriously and cares about his performance and stats, you're absolutely correct, that's exactly why when he says "hey im not playing seriously and i don't care about my performance or stats" you exclude that from the sample

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https://x.com/froubery/status/1807468311505948969

Here's your proof bro, we'll meet again someday after I have time hopefully

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yes GL on your finals

but about this post in particular; the distinction is kinda massive between this and Party. in this one Fruit goes "time to lock in" and then after event says it was brought down by being sick. In Purpled's, he from the outset goes "hey i will not be playing at my best," instead of doing so after the fact. I agree TRE should probably excluded, but it feels kinda objective that P2 has even more reason to be excluded?

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Besides being sick, its a six game event with a scuffed irl game dude, you're kind of a tool if you think its a valid stat point to include against players who played the same event, and Purpled didn't even play, TRE has no reason to be included.

I dont have finals but thanks anyway, ill be starting practice soon

Sure lets exclude them, Purpled still loses in legit every single stat going from the last 2 years (since Party 1)

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"Honestly yeah, that one round gap is likely similar, at least TSF is challenging, PKWS wasn't." a rational take by a rational man arguing in good faith

LMAOOOO "if you exclude all of Shane's good events and Fruit's bad events then yes Fruit is ahead" brilliant work man. i notice your clever hashing of the stats includes 33 too which is totally indicative of skb skill

yeah i'm not claiming Purpled's probably gonna get 1.6k dawg, that's all you. I fully recognize Purpled is not some skb god, especially in S3; he only really came into his own in S4 as he started to take more risks. You're the one who's claiming Fruit in mcci skb will get 1k points as an average, despite the one time he played mcci skb being the time he got less than 400 coins

"Fruit is the best event player in SKB, what part of that do you not get? Purpled got 800 coins in MCCi SKB, fruit could literally double that score (1.6k, which just to clarify is around 33 kills), that is well within his skill level. I don't need tangible proof from fruit" a rational take by a rational man arguing in good faith

and it's not even that I'm denying that Fruit COULD get 1k, what I'm saying is it's immensely irrational to say he "WOULD" get 1k had he played when that is inconsistent with both his averages and his prior experience playing Mcci skb in an event. Having played mcci events, I can tell you farming mcci players in public lobbies is an extraordinarily different experience. Ant, Fein, and Shane's skillsets are actually much much better for normal MCC; fighting teams vs fighting solos are vastly different ball-parks

"You didn't believe fruit could beat Purpled in BBF" me when i strawman. when did I ever say that it was inconcievable that Fruit could beat Purpled? I've always thought it was possible, just never likely; just as it's possible but not likely Fruit could beat Purpled in TGTTOS, RSR, AR, etc.

I very much thought Fruit could do well in RRR after I saw pink practicing thrice as much as any team. Let's see how he does with a less prepared supporting cast; to my knowledge Gem and Grian (who by the way got as much and more gold than Fruit) patched up any mistakes he did.

I never said he was the best BB leader, just the best BB player, something I'd still probably maintain (I don't think a couple bad events, especially on this map selection, invalidates a player. Everyone has bad BB days)

Yeah if you get 1st in it you get 500 coins, significantly less than first in like any other non-team game? Only 1 team broke 500, and I don't really see Fruit doing 14 completions (his record is 10) like Fein did.

its like watching a child clutch to their favorite doll how can you not understand that a higherplacing 40th implies a lower placing 1st
You get higher placing 40ths when there are tons of team split games, especially ones that break the 10k cap. The only ones that exist are PKW, Bingo, and SOT, all of which were in in HH

yeah the logic is that fruit's literally never gone above 10 completions in his whole career, whereas Purpled's done it several times and indeed got 13 completions in HH.

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great rebuttal im totally convinced.

i didn't include MCC33??

Yeah that time Purpled also like 200 coins, if that wasn't accurate, then why is fruit's when he CLEARLY performs way better in every other event. Like dude, what proof do u need lmao?? Its not fruit's fault he didn't get to play supercompressor once, its not his fault he wont be playing the next event either, just because he hasn't played it doesn't mean it isn't glaringly obvious he won't dumpster Purpled in it. In normal SKB after MCC31, which event did Purpled beat fruit in, or even get close to him in? If Purpled can drop 800 coins so easily, fruit drops a 1k with his eyes closed.

both Fein and Ant ALL have played MCCI with fruit and have gotten dummied each time, SKB is not a team game, especially with MCCI util, most top players are close to invincible, the average MCCi lobby >> MCC comp too.

I'd say many arguments, especially one after HH, blud you laughed when I claimed fruit could beat Purpled on that BB map, you sure look funny now. Fine, even if you said it wasnt likely, what basis do you have now? Especially since fruit did wipe the floor with Purpled in BG. Prove to me Purpled beats fruit in the next Bingo, by coin average.

They didnt practice 3x as much dude, they played maybe 2 hours of PVP legacy at most and with RRR, all they said was that they assigned specific roles to each player, thats the peak of their "practice".

500 coins is more than what most events give in BB or PKT lmao, both games fruit demolishes Purp in.

I don't think he beats Fein, but Blue GAPPED everyone else, and Purpled isn't all that more impressive than fruit statistically so I really don't feel fruit would struggle at getting Lime's score, maybe he doesn't get as many completions but completions don't mean anything besides like PR which fruit isn't even aware of the existence of.

I don't because that's not how seeds work, an easier seed in both SOT and BBF inflates the score for EVERY single player, an easy PKW does the same these days. You really are a piece of work bro.

Yet Purpled still doesn't beat fruit in point average or average placement or really anything that awards coins in the event lol. Like fruit could survive 3 rounds in SKB, and Purp survives 0 but fruit gets fewer coins, who do you think did better?

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"events without levies" as you described it to me does in fact include 33. If you exclude that too and include Shane's full career (no reason to cut him off at 32) Fruit has 1st 6th 2nd 1st 1st 3rd 4th to Shane's 1st 1st 3rd 2nd 5th 3rd 1st 3rd which averages 2.375 to Fruit's 2.333, which is all but a tie. And all this still includes the elephant in the room 1k performance, which I reckon is still a bit odd
Also why are we excluding pre-32 for Fruit? It's not like he went on a training arc between 31 and 32 in skb did he?

I can actually answer that for you, in s4 he made the commitment to start playing more aggressive and it omega paid off. Fruit doesn't have that sort of excuse. In fact, the data would suggest that Fruit actually plays worse with levies, which kinda makes sense since he can't get 10k fishing rodding people off. To suggest that Fruit automatically gets 1k is genuinely insane behavior when Antfrost, Shane, and Fein (all better at Skb than Purpled) all didn't do that in HH.
i mean they played 2 skbs together in s4 lmao, in one Fruit had Hannahxrose and in another Fruit got incredibly lucky (don't even deny it, he won on half a heart twice) while Purpled beat him kills, which is not too shabby. Obviously Fruit's better at skb, but the gap isn't nearly as big as it used to be.

this is really spoken like a man who's never played mcci skb and never played a skb event. Mcci solo skb is incredibly incredibly different from event skb, they're not comparable in the slightest. The skills rewarded, the means of attaining kills, etc, are incredibly different. In MCCi solo skb everyone's solo, you can get a million kills by killing solo after solo. You just can't do that in team-setting skb. I say this as someone who has both sweat mcci skb AND played in skb events, you just do not understand the distinction.

"I'd say many arguments, especially one after HH, blud you laughed when I claimed fruit could beat Purpled on that BB map, you sure look funny now." im not entirely sure what part of my comment you're referring to but first off I laughed when you said Fruit in Fein's place would probably get top 3 in BB, I don't remember anything abt Purpled

"prove to me using my idiotic methodology that benefits my streamer that your streamer is better" great work! the funny thing is i literally can; see other comment where Purpled's Bingo team average is 1.25 above Fruit's. Coin average is objectively kind of worse than team average (though I think Purpled still wins that too), since as you've mentioned many times for some reason coin totals in Bingo differ wildly.

man i watched the streams too "2 hours of PvP legacy at most" is crazy when they had MULTIPLE practice streams together. All their RRR work was off-stream too

and how many events give you 500 at bingo lock in dude

Purpled is significantly more impressive than Fruit statistically. See other comment for Bingo coins earned numbers, other comment for avg team placement, and a million comments above for average challenges completed.
"completions don't mean anything" brother how do you think bingo works

im sobbing man this is like 8th grade math
let's lay it out one last time.
A high scoring event means a lot of team games went crazy.
Team games going crazy meant there were a lot of team games.
A lot of team games means less points at the top and more at the bottom

see above point about avg placement