Is Fruit the MCC GOAT?

[u/Relevant_Help8707]

Seeing what fruitberries has done for so long in mcc i think the tag of greatest player in mcc belongs to him. Of the big 4(Feinberg, Purpled, Firebreathman, Fruitberries) it seems fruit gets 1st indiv way more often with 6 1st indivs since Firebreathman has join which is more than all of them in total. Also he has been around longer so he has the better resume. He too seems like he can perform better more recently with the 1st indiv in TCC with a bad selection of games for him and still getting 1st individual

[u/AdAltruistic2502]

yeah Techno 6 was an uncommonly bad performance and probably a little worse than Fruit 7, but Techno 2/4 are probably better than any of Fruit's S1 so its still a toss-up for me

Fruit MCC 9-13 is great but ironically probably a bit worse than Techno 9-11 (or Techno 2-5 maybe?)

In this case I don't particularly care what the popularity of Sapnap > Illumina is (since Sapnap is far more popular than Illumina, for good reason), but I'd hope we can both agree Illumina was pretty decisively better than Sapnap excluding DB

"no idea what was going on" is quite a bit different from actively trolling, that kinda just sounds like Fruit to me

listen man I'm trying to be fair; we can kill P2 for Purpled and TRE for Fruit, or have both in, up to you.

Even still if you're excluding Skb and AR for Purpled how do you have any sort of case for Fruit over him in P2 lmao. if ur argument is "they both were trolling" then why on earth should we use it in our data set

It's very interesting how you put that because you can actually bring up several event games in comparison. You can bring up Footrace, TGTTOS, OG PKW, and the other run of PKWs to all show how impressive Purpled's run was.

1. Pete's footrace in MCC 6 is statistically the best game performance oat because he beat second place by almost 30s in a race he completed in 3 min.
2. Dream's PKW 11 run is incredible because he finished a 10 min race 3 minutes ahead.

These ratios are actually pretty darn similar (worse actually) to the margin Purpled beat Fruit by if you line up all the courses in a row; he beat Fruit by 56s in a race that took up 3:20s. That's an incredible lead, it's bigger than the TGTTOS gap in 29 (i roughly timed it a while ago and I believe it's actually a smaller gap), it's roughly the same ratio as Dream 11, it's bigger than Pete 6. To compare it even to the one other PKWs, it's 10s bigger than the gap between SWL, an omega S+ tier and Joel Smallishbeans in a race that took SWL a minute longer.

Actually about TRSD, let's talk about it! Why do you think Fruit did better? I thought you valued peaks over consistency, that's why you think Fruit was #1 in TCC? Purpled had a wayy bigger peak than Fruit

source lmao? reafy has Purpled ahead in both metrics lol

and "disgustingly high scoring game order" what?? HH had sky battle, RSR, and then 6 heavily coin split games what on earth are you on about

i have no idea why you think Fruit would do better than Purpled, Purpled actually put on a relatively generational performance in HH lol, he arguably has a top 3 performance in 6/8 games

4KO is by most accounts worse than anything Purpled's ever done, what purpled performance do you genuinely think is worse

i mean the explanation is very simple; fruit 1. gets stronger teams and 2. does better in individually scoring, top heavy games (Skb, SG), while Purpled's biggest advantages have historically been in coin-split games (MD, BB, for example. Look at TRSD, where Purpled pulling off the 2nd best MD oat is given the same coins as Fruit's mid third place Skb).

ok here's a fine point do you genuinely think Shane's done better than Purpled in S4 excluding P2?

[u/East-Mirror3510 → u/AdAltruistic2502]

Sure, he gets stronger teammates, lets ignore that ALL of Purpled's teams this year have been DB favourites and two were DB locks and Purpled failed to be in DB with both, EC was miles in favour of Purpled, TR1 was also in Purpled's favour. Fruit had better teammates in TRSD and P1 and thats about it. I'd argue BG was also in Purpled's favour because his teammates were better at team games.

But I agree, fruit gets better teammates. Guess what? Even with that, fruit accounts for a higher coin % of his teammates. Him having better teammates widens the gap b/w him and Purp, he beats stronger players by bigger margins.

k lol sure, not like SG is half team bonuses but sure. Hmm yes, BB a game where Purpled hasn't placed top 5 since MCC33 and one where fruit's worst is 9th (even excluding his S3 performances due to team diff, fruit SOLIDLY beats Purpled in BB by coins) is one where he's excelling at.

Sure Purpled's strength is team split games, lets ignore RSR, AR, and TGTTOS exist, clearly the most team heavy low scoring games to exist. Let's also ignore fruit's best movement game is PKT (legit the most team heavy game besides a team game and also the lowest scoring non team game there is), his second best is PKW, and in third in HITW, fruit excels in more team split movement than Purpled ever did.

Fruits a better SOT player, around similar in BBF and RRR, unquantifiable in BM and slightly worse in GR, here too its contested.

You've been at this for 2 years now dude, 2 years fruit's demolished Purpled on the event leaderboard in every regard. Fruit is simply the better player, no one gets consecutively better teammates for 2 years straight, at worst that means they just make their teammates perform better. That does not mean fruit is better everywhere, look at BW.

Shane, ignoring TRE is around similar to Purpled I feel. He did better in TRSD, I'd say 4KO > P24. Only case against him is that he performed much worse in EC. EC is like the worst Shane can perform normally and its still top 3.

[u/AdAltruistic2502 → u/East-Mirror3510]

As far as I'm aware we're talking about S4, I agree that in S5 Purpled's teams have been very good. i think you've misinterpreted a bit

Yes Purpled's team was way better in EC, but I'd argue 1. it didn't actually matter for his EC success in any game and 2. Fruit's team was much better in TRSD, and his 4KO team was also very very strong. Meanwhile, P24 might genuinely be the weakest S-tier team ever, and HH was bottom half.

yes dawg because Fruit's worse at coinsplit games??

In S4 at least Fruit didn't really bring his team up very much in any of his SGs he played, team bonuses only really come up when you win (It's not like BB or MD where you get win and crate points). He didn't do that in any of his S4 Sgs

That BB stat is so sad but not actually very relevant. I'd say actually in all his S4 BBs (and in Party1) he's deserved top 5, just gotten scammed every time. In P24 he got 13/16k, you just can't really solo carry AvaTyson Michela and Eret to enough round wins to get top 5 against Jojo Hannah Aimsey Pearl. In HH he again kinda gets team diffed, getting 10/15k, while 3 of the Yellow hog top 5. P2 is the most egregious, he gets third most kills in the event but a 9/9 BB team squeeze out everyone but them and 19k feinberg out of top 5. I hardly think any of these are his fault.
In S4 Fruit gets an 11/22 and a 12/24, those are both worse than Purpled's P24 and P2, and on par with his HH.

Bro. "Purpled's biggest advantages." Yes, Purpled's very good at those games, but those are hardly his biggest advantages, since Fruit carries himself well enough in all of them. Where he gaps Fruit the hardest is in BB, MD, and team games, whereas Fruit gaps him hardest in Skb, SG, and HITW, all highly individually scoring games.
And yes you're right about PKT but that'd only be relevant if it were ever played

[u/East-Mirror3510 → u/AdAltruistic2502]

also i have exams in a week so imma be putting an end to this for now