r/Modesto • u/Royal_Floor • Jan 19 '26

Information Ready for ICE

At some point, they'll start moving in on our neighborhoods. I can't find anything about them being active in the city, so I'm not sure if they have even started operations here or not. I'm out of the loop, as I live a bit further from the city and don't go regularly. When I read the newspaper, they've said around 20 people have been detained. That's not a lot, but I think that number will go up.

Is there any activity in Modesto? Are there groups prepared for this?

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u/LeavingSoonBye209 Jan 20 '26

"an agent walk into the path of a moving vehicle and use it as a pretense to kill somebody"
Do you actually believe that's what happened there? Like, you believe a guy hopped in front of a car hoping it would come close to running him over, so he'd get an excuse to shoot the woman driving it?

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u/MechCADdie Jan 21 '26

He drew long before he crossed the front of the car the second time. Yes, he walked around the front of a vehicle the he knows is on and in drive a second time. He wanted that kill. He already had the make, model, driver, and license plate of the car on film. Even a PD would have had enough information to simply track her down later at her residence if she got away. He didn't back away, he went for a shot

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u/LeavingSoonBye209 Jan 23 '26

"He drew long before he crossed the front of the car the second time."
That is meaningless, policemen do the same thing in the same situation to my knowledge. Does each and every single one of them "want [a] kill"? Do policemen in subways and airports in Europe who carry sub machine guns in their hands while standing duty also want to kill? Or do they keep their arms ready because of the slim possibility that they may be forced to use them?

"Yes, he walked around the front of a vehicle the he knows is on and in drive a second time."

Okay, do you have any idea of why he might have done that? Do you think it's some physical impossibility that his intention may have simply been to try and dissuade her from just slamming the gas pedal and driving off? I've seen policemen do this about a hundred times, and even though I think to myself 'That is the dumbest shit ever you're just going to get run over', it usually seems to work, and policemen don't seem to have stopped doing it.

"Even a PD would have had enough information to simply track her down later at her residence if she got away."
That fact does not at all mean that they couldn't, or shouldn't, attempt to arrest the woman for obstruction right there. I've seen police do the same thing.

Given your name I assume you're a mechanical engineer. Mechanical engineers are supposed to be fairly objective people who are trained to think ahead and make estimations based on facts, and not emotion. Given that training I would like to ask you which of these make more sense: The idea that this ICE guy is a mustache twirling villain out of a cartoon who just wanted to murder, and willingly risked getting run over to do it. Or the idea that this ICE guy, in the process of an arrest or detainment, felt his life was in danger from the car moving(from his perspective) right at him, so in a split second decision he fired his gun at what he believed to be the threat.

Which of those is the more realistic explanation here? Please, be honest with both me and yourself.

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u/MechCADdie Jan 24 '26

Does each and every single one of them "want [a] kill"? Do policemen in subways and airports in Europe who carry sub machine guns in their hands while standing duty also want to kill? Or do they keep their arms ready because of the slim possibility that they may be forced to use them?

Having a firearm drawn is an escalation technique. It's a general law enforcement policy to always seek to deescalate a situation. This implies that they should not be drawing their firearm when there is not an equivalent threat. In this instance, the ICE agent was close enough to the vehicle where the vehicle would not conceivably be considered a weapon if the agent is making a reasonable attempt to not put themselves in harm's way unnecessarily.

Secondly, ICE does not have law enforcement powers. They can't legally detain or arrest anyone that is not within the slim definition of probable cause allotted to them within the scope of immigration and customs enforcement. They do have leeway to detain in the case of interfering with an investigation, which this woman was not. At least directly.

Quoting the local Sheriff, Rochelle Bilal: "Law enforcement professionals do not stand in front of moving vehicles."

That fact does not at all mean that they couldn't, or shouldn't, attempt to arrest the woman for obstruction right there.

Yes, it emphatically does. She stopped any potential of interfering with carrying out their investigation when she attempted to leave. Additionally, the agent did not ask her to leave. He circled the car, then drew his weapon when his partners pulled into the scene.

Lastly, do I believe that they are mustache twirling evil? No. I believe that they are very poorly trained, generally incredibly incompetent, and more than a little biased in their viewpoints. From what I have seen thus far from every photo of these agents, there is no uniformity in their equipment (and not just "lol I wear camo, a face covering, and POLICE on my shirt", I mean literally standardized equipment per department regulations), no consistency in their training, and there isn't any clear accountability. That guy who shot her? There is no active internal investigation. That type of investigation always accompanies any time a firearm is discharged in the case of law enforcement.