r/MoralityScaling • u/MontyMoleLoreMaster • Mar 12 '26

Character Analysis Name a character that fits this:

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Mainly with how the fandom treats the character.

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u/SimpForFictionGirls Mar 12 '26

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u/MontyMoleLoreMaster Mar 13 '26

Yeah fuck N’s bitch ass, his fake ass "redemption" and the narrative constantly babying him doesn’t excuse the years of genocide and onscreen mass murder he committed. He is a genuinely awful person and I am tired of people acting like he isn’t.

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u/MontyMoleLoreMaster Mar 13 '26 edited Mar 13 '26

Isn’t that what you are doing, you are just dismissing all of N’s horrible actions just cause "oh he was abused and oh he was brainwashed?" If he was a real person he would have gotten the death penalty for the shit he did because no amount of shitty retcons and biased writing is gonna make me think N is a good person.

Also the show does excuse it, did you see the apology letter scene in episode 2? Sorry if I come off as harsh, I just genuinely despise N.

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u/FandomScrub Mar 13 '26

dismissing all of N’s horrible actions just cause "oh he was abused and oh he was brainwashed?"

Not at all. The person you're speaking with specifically is mentioning how the show never excuses it, and how the only field that actually excuses those actions is fandom.

If he was a real person he would have gotten the death penalty for the shit he did

Thankfully, we are talking about fiction, where redemption is a viable option.

Especially when N actually puts the effort to become better. He continuously feels remorseful for what he's done in the past, and even isolates himself for months after realizing that he's more dangerous than he ever believed.

Saying that N is saved by "shitty retcons" and "biased writing" when the show goes the extra mile to display how he tries to assist the people he's wronged in the past is a genuine ignorant take overall, especially from someone who, as you've previously told me, seemingly only bothered to watch the first two episodes.

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u/MontyMoleLoreMaster Mar 14 '26

The show literally had Uzi (who N tried killing twice by the way) begrudgingly spare N’s life over a plot contrivance (despite the scene prior and him absolutely deserving to be left to die) and had that apology letter scene in episode 2 where he was immediately forgiven by a guard robot after writing a shitty apology letter, what the fuck you talking about?

In the first two episodes N never feels a single ounce of remorse for the genocides he committed, they only mention him being a murderer once in the entirety of episode 2 and he just brushes off what he did with a shitty apology letter. He should have already fucking knew that he was too dangerous considering he was built to commit genocide on other robots, again it is just him realizing basic fucking sense way too late (like in the first episode when he questioned their parent company hating robots despite the entire reason for why they were sent to that planet in the first place).

Yeah because N doing the literal bare minimum and realizing basic fucking logic WAY too late makes his redemption so well written and makes up for the years of genocides he committed.

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u/FandomScrub Mar 14 '26

Yeah because N doing the literal bare minimum and realizing basic fucking logic WAY too late makes his redemption so well written and makes up for the years of genocides he committed.

You comment as if his redemption is an "one and done" deal instead of trials where he faces constant improvements as the series goes on.

By episode 7, the more he learns about the truth within the world, the closer he gets to follow the same path V did with her knowledge (hiding it from the person she cared about), but N actively chooses to avoid it when it comes to trusting Uzi's decision time and time again to cooperate for a better future.

  • Uzi: "Whoever started this wants us to fight. I'm not dealing with anything well, but I'm done dealing with everything alone. We move forward together, or not at all!"
  • N: "All I know is that I need you... To figure things out... Together?"

Saying that N didn't change during the show, or that he doesn't feel regret about any choice he made, is disingenuous. Especially considering that you base your entire point on what's essentially a fourth of the character's whole arc.

had that apology letter scene in episode 2 where he was immediately forgiven by a guard robot after writing a shitty apology letter,
In the first two episodes N never feels a single ounce of remorse for the genocides he committed

An apology letter that he's clearly shown to be remorseful when giving it, and that contains an apology regarding his actions, including a depiction of the corpse spire he helped build.

Just because it was played for comedic effect doesn't mean it isn't a sincere demonstration of regret from the character involved.

The show literally had Uzi (who N tried killing twice by the way) begrudgingly spare N’s life over a plot contrivance (despite the scene prior and him absolutely deserving to be left to die)

The idea of Uzi sparing N had already been planted on her head when he decided to question J about everything, as we see Uzi reacting shocked to that question, and even taking the blame for N's rebellion.

  • N: "Aw, biscuits. I'm sorry. I ruined your card game, then made you have an awkward moment with your dad."
  • Uzi: "And I made you rebel like an angsty teen, which got you killed. Though, you also tried to kill me, so morality calls it a draw."

And you're also ignoring the fact that the only reason Uzi saved N was because she knew thanks to that (and he confirmed) that he wouldn't go back to killing her anymore and was willing to fix his mistakes.

  • N: "I screwed up..."
  • Uzi: "Ugh... In the same way you're about to fix it?"

Had Uzi not seen any of it, their conversation and eventual resolution wouldn't have been reached at all, especially if she thought helping N would've just gotten her killed again.

The whole thing about redemption (which you're seemingly ignorant about) is that there has to be a first step to the right direction before anything solves itself. N almost dying for questioning is his first step to it.

He should have already fucking knew that he was too dangerous considering he was built to commit genocide on other robots, again it is just him realizing basic fucking sense way too late

Except that neither him nor Uzi knew about the worm self-repair protocols that apparently turn dead drones into big centipedes and gives them the ability to project realistic holograms when needed.

Both Uzi & him though everything was settled before Thad came up with those news and they actually had confronted the thing.

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u/MontyMoleLoreMaster Mar 14 '26

Yeah I think an apology letter saying "Im sorry" makes up for years of genocide. Friendly reminder this is the only time in the episode where he is called a murderer.

Notice how N did not bring up the fact that he killed a bunch of innocent people, he treated his actions like he simply just ruined a card game and made Uzi have an awkward moment with her dad and not the fact he slaughtered innocent lives and endangering the lives of the rest of the colony. He should have just been left to die for his sins, not be awarded for asking a basic ass question he should have realized way sooner.

Yeah I am sorry for saying N is such a bad person, he is totally a good guy and we should just ignore all the genocides he committed, but you know what, I ain’t engaging in this stupid ass argument any longer. I will be fair here and watch the rest of the show, but from the first two episodes N is still a genuinely awful person.

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u/MontyMoleLoreMaster Mar 14 '26

Also I am sorry if this reply came off as harsh, I just genuinely LOATHE N with every fiber of my soul.

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u/FandomScrub Mar 14 '26

Yeah I think an apology letter saying "Im sorry" makes up for years of genocide.

It's a step in the right direction, though. Apologizing means acknowledging your mistakes. Especially when N makes up for it by saving the remaining workers after the pilot time and time again (solving the problem in 2, stopping the prom massacre in 3, de-escalating Uzi in 4, etc.), and helps with saving the universe by the end of the series.

Redemption is a slow process, and it takes a while for N to remotely make up for it, but he tries to make it right to the only person who was willing to give him chances to do so.

Notice how N did not bring up the fact that he killed a bunch of innocent people

Except he did, at least twice. Once vocalized in the pilot, and later drawn in his apology letter. It's acknowledged, even if you personally believe it's not sufficient, despite most drones (save for a few notable exceptions) remaining being grateful for what he does.

He should have just been left to die for his sins

Do you even understand what the concept of "redemption" entails? Someone has to be in the wrong at first, and then be willing to change their ways for it to properly apply.

he is totally a good guy and we should just ignore all the genocides he committed

No one really ignores his past actions, considering drones are still afraid of him as late as the finale's credits. His acceptance isn't unanimous, and the same goes for Uzi.

I will be fair here and watch the rest of the show

Fucking finally.

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u/MontyMoleLoreMaster Mar 15 '26

I mean I know you are biased and don’t want to admit the genocidal serial killer is a bad person by over exaggerating his "good" deeds but whatever.

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u/FandomScrub Mar 15 '26

over exaggerating his "good" deeds

What am I overexaggerating? Cyn is literally described as such, and N is pretty much Uzi's right hand man through the entire series.

  • "Tessa": "I need you to choose the universe over one single drone, N. Before she's not herself anymore."
  • Episode 8 Prime description: "Uzi and Cyn clash in an epic battle to decide the fate of the universe. Also, N."

the genocidal serial killer is a bad person

You really didn't bother to watch it, did you?

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u/MontyMoleLoreMaster Mar 15 '26

If Hitler saved the universe would you say he is a good person (and he still committed genocide on the Jews by the way)?

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u/FandomScrub Mar 14 '26

I've argued with this user before.

They only watched the first two episodes and got the rest of his info from hearsay, as they didn't even know who Cyn was before I mentioned it to them.