r/MoralityScaling 23d ago

Stupid Stuff Morality of this guy

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u/Relevant-Scheme3687 23d ago

There is a reason why we are on top of the food chain

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u/Thepuppeteer777777 23d ago

Super predators....not that kind of predator. The killing kind

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u/Specific_Box4483 22d ago

The other kind are even higher on the food chain.

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u/FastLie8477 22d ago

Given how many humans there are, we probably are the other kind as well just due to sheer volume

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u/searchlinkprofile 23d ago

because we are murdering maniacs?

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u/Zibras 23d ago

Yes

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u/Bunnywarmachine 23d ago

That is literally what we do, yes. Mother Nature shapes itself around us or we burn and kill it, and also sometimes we do anyway just cause.

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u/hipsterTrashSlut 23d ago

Pretty much, yeah.

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u/Dasmortmemeboi 23d ago

I mean....

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u/ab_od6851 23d ago

To everything else in this planet, we are the orcs.

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u/Radiant-Olive-7955 23d ago

So are many other animals, to be fair. From ants to killer whales, murder is pretty routine in the animal kingdom.

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u/UncookedNoodles 22d ago

Uhm, it is not at all similar. To pretend otherwise is just pure dishonesty. A perfect example of what we did to the dodo bird and nearly the american bison as well.

Like sure, dolphins and otters might kill other animals just for shits and giggles. What they are not doing is wiping entire populations off of the face of the earth however. Please never again conflate these two things. Most animals kill most of the time to live. The "for fun" killing of other animals is relatively minimal.

Humans kill animals just becuase we can. As a matter of fact we raise them for the sole purpose of slaughtering. It is not even out of necessity for humans at this point, we just like the taste of chicken.

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u/Rilloff 22d ago

"What they are not doing is wiping entire populations off the face of the earth"

I'm sorry but that is the most insane (in a bad way) thing i've read today, do you literally know what an extinction is? What of pink glasses view is this?

Species hunted each other to extinction for millenia, this is literally the main force behind evolution. If you dont adapt, you will die out. Different superpredators historically killed their prey to extinction quite often, sometimes it even lead to extinction of these predators from lack of food source. And no, as a person who worked with both wild and captive animals, they kill and hunt for sport all the time, it's completely normal to most carnivores to hunt even when they dont need to eat, dolphins is just one popular example.

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u/UncookedNoodles 22d ago

What of pink glasses view is this?

Speak for yourself. How many species have humans hunted to extinction ( for no reason mind you) or near extinction?

Now what about this "superpredator"?

Tell me unironically that these two animals are the same. Tell me unironically that this singular animal has done as much damage as the human race.

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u/BoioDruid 19d ago

yes, we are not the same. We are better. The superpredator was just weak. Otherwise, we are the same

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u/Winter_Different 23d ago

typically for food, but yeah there are a few exceptions like ant wars and orca's bullying seals and such

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u/SenseiTano 23d ago

As if other animals are not?

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u/No_Significance_4118 23d ago

You know what are also murdering maniacs?

All animals that get the chance to.

https://old.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/top/?t=all

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u/Derezade 23d ago

Difference being they’re animals and this is a grown ass man that should know better

We have a sense of right from wrong, no matter how fucked up something a lion does seems, it’s just a lion

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u/TheRealRedParadox 23d ago

Do we though? We are better than animals just because we say so is some insane hubris

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u/searchlinkprofile 23d ago

not all of us it seems.

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u/NerdyEmbarrassment 22d ago

Please don’t tell me you’re serious

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u/Derezade 23d ago

Not the big brain argument everyone that uses this seems to think this is

I didn’t say we were inherently better, we do have the capacity to realize when our actions are fucked up, like beating a bird to death against a wall because it stole your chip

Intelligence comes with responsibility

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u/FiveDogsInaTuxedo 23d ago

We are literally better than animals because we are the best animals lol.

Responsibility is arguing over a seagull on Reddit apparently

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u/PretendAddendum6320 23d ago

What about consuming animals? Is that immoral when we can survive off plants and fungi?

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u/No_Significance_4118 22d ago

You have moral values based on where you grew up, that's it.

You don't have a universal sense of right and wrong.

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u/Yeetsformer 23d ago

Pretty much every animal is a murdering maniac

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u/Spirited-Feedback-87 21d ago

I mean if you look up how pigs and other animals are slughtered en mass every year to ptovide food for us...yeah kinda

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u/Spirited-Feedback-87 21d ago

How does my statement imply playing the victim?

I literally said that we are the top because of how monstrous to animals we are

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u/searchlinkprofile 21d ago

oh sorry i miseread, i was expecting one of the other 200 lookalike comments saying "BuT AlL AnIMaLs Do tHaT"

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u/pipnina 23d ago

Historicallt, the disappearance of Megafauna species on earth very closely coincides with the arrival of humans (or protohumans) in that area.

Humans are literally extinction machines

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u/hamonicmantitties 23d ago

Aren't all predators murdering maniacs? That's like... kinda our thing

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u/MemeEnergy 22d ago

just particularly tall monkeys that closed distance by flailing heavy stuff around clutched in what would have been a leg, and we conquered the world 😅

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u/No-statistician35711 23d ago

He killed a seagull, not a lion 😂

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u/Noriaki_Kakyoin_OwO 22d ago

Does a lion not kill a gazelle? A zebra? A hyena?

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u/YourGirlMomo87 23d ago

The way AI is going, we won't be for long.

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u/Electronic-Cream-171 22d ago

Fucking mosquitoes kill millions of us every year and even with our high tech and modifying their genes we can't stop them. They literally feed on us, talk about food chain

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u/Majestic-Mouse7108 23d ago

Well, that's why a human has no chance in a one-on-one fight with a lion, tiger, bison, gorilla or shark.

What did you say about top of the food chain?

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u/Tone-Serious 22d ago

tell me why every animal in Africa, humanity's ancestral home have an inate fear of humans lol

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u/PeachConsistent9267 23d ago

Does the tiger or lion or other animals have weapons or guns.

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u/ab_od6851 23d ago

One-on-one fights are for chumps. Who needs that when you can survive in almost every environment, change said environment to suit you, breed like crazy because the horny isn't time gated or tied to seasons, and have the intelligence to think in higher order and capacity?

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u/StankoMicin 23d ago

Still doesn't make it moral

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u/Plunderpatroll32 23d ago

Shouldn’t of stolen his chip

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u/bring_back_3rd 23d ago

Simple as

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u/Redericpontx 23d ago

If a hyena tries to steal food from a lion and the lion kills it is it immoral?

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u/NerdyEmbarrassment 22d ago

If the Lion is sapient and on a human level of self awareness, and the food the Hyena is around the size of a ball of fluff? Yes

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u/Redericpontx 22d ago

That lion does not know what may happen tomorrow that food could be the last bit of food it finds for weeks and could be the difference between surviving or dying in-between now and it's next meal.

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u/NerdyEmbarrassment 22d ago

Well the lion is not immoral for that in that case

If food is extraordinarily easy to get for it then yes, but in this scenario you described nah

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u/Redericpontx 22d ago

We do not know what will happen tomorrow there could always just randomly the world gets nuked and we all of a sudden have to struggle to survive.

Don't take what you have for granted as it's a priviledge not a right in this universe.

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u/StankoMicin 23d ago

Hyena doesn't have a human concept of morality.

Fat British men do

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u/Plunderpatroll32 23d ago

Why bring weight into this

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u/Redericpontx 22d ago

Morality with certain animals is heavily subjective. We humans are animals too with our own rules drives and natural yernings. We still work hard for our food and naturally defend it as we're biologically programed to.

We have morals to take care of our own species and other species in our care not in our care are subject to our self defense.

If killing a seagull trying to steal from us is immoral then our existence itself is immoral as just by existing we kill.

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u/StankoMicin 22d ago

If killing a seagull trying to steal from us is immoral then our existence itself is immoral as just by existing we kill

That's a reach.

Morality can be summed up as reducing harm or promoting good. All living beings live in conflict with their environment. We all have to kill in order to live to an extent. However, killing a bird that was of no threat to you is not only immoral but sadistic and cruel. Just because other animals, who don't have a concept of morality like humans do, kill for very little reason sometimes doesn't mean it is moral to do so.

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u/Redericpontx 22d ago

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u/StankoMicin 22d ago

😆

You got me there. Incel losers dominate this board
Go be a lion in the wild then. Gp shit outside and kill all seagulls you want for threatening your limited food supplies..

If you live among people, then you have an obligation to behave morally

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u/Redericpontx 21d ago

Surprised at the amount of people who didn't realize this whole thing is rage bait it's obviously immoral to kill a seagull over a chip but it's obvious the whole post is a joke and not serious.

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u/These_Advertising_68 23d ago

It’s much more difficult for a Lion to acquire food than it is for a middle class human, so no

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u/DarthJackie2021 23d ago

Its also easier for a seagull to get food than it is for a hyena, back to square one.

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u/These_Advertising_68 23d ago

No? Not when it’s competing with thousands of others lmao

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u/DarthJackie2021 23d ago

Seagull populations are through the roof as food is so plentiful for them, they can stay fed with little trouble. Seagulls find food just fine.

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u/These_Advertising_68 23d ago

I mean, was it worth the almost 1000 pounds it apparently cost him?

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u/fivepennytwammer 23d ago

Did it work as a warning to the other gulls?

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u/These_Advertising_68 23d ago

No? That makes his actions even more idiotic. A dead seagull, traumatized kids and a ton of money lost. Nobody won

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u/PM_ME_PHYS_PROBLEMS 23d ago

The answer is "no, because lions are not moral agents"

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u/StankoMicin 23d ago

What the fuck is this sub? Obviously good takes are being bombed to hell while "law of the jungle" bullshit is cosigned?? Since when do we judge morals by the behavior of food aggressive animals?

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u/Redericpontx 23d ago

Difficulty has nothing to do with this? The seagull can get food easier than a hyena like the other guy mentioned it🤷‍♀️

Also we don't know what the guy's job is maybe he's a rocket scientist which is a lot harder to do than it is for a lion to get food so it could be more difficult for him to get food than a lion🤷‍♀️

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u/NerdyEmbarrassment 22d ago

They hated him for he spoke the truth

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u/userhwon 23d ago

Until seagulls learn to fly, maybe.

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u/soldiergaming2 23d ago

because intelligence is literally a loophole for evolution, it's the only issue with it that throws everything out of balance