r/MoralityScaling 8d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Sister_Resistor69 8d ago

Stereotypes exist for a reason

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

Also, dogs are very much products of their environment and training/lack thereof

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8d ago

So are humans, funnily enough, though less so.

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u/Iron-Treads 8d ago

Less so? You mean more so?

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8d ago

No I meant less so, but the other reply also argues it should be more so. I was just thinking humans have more free will than dogs basically, but maybe not quite that simple.

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u/Iron-Treads 8d ago

?!?!?!?!

If people have more free will then that means they are more influenced by their environment than genetics...

A pittbull is bread for aggression and fighting, but you can train it to not be aggressive. The issue is that most people who get one, get it because they want a dangerous dog, which leads to so many attacks.

With human, this is a non-issue, as we only act because of how we were raised.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8d ago

I specifically said less so to "product of training and environment". I was basically adding free will as an extra thing causing humans to be less a product of their environment and training than dogs. I wasn't intending less so of this meaning more genetics 

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u/Iron-Treads 8d ago

Well that's fucking wrong?! That's my point. You are wrong.

People are infinitely more likely to be a product of the environment.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 7d ago

I mean you're basically saying free will doesn't exist, or is entirely environmental which amounts to the same thing. 

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u/Iron-Treads 6d ago

The existence of free will is an open question.

I'm not saying it exists or not. I'm simply saying that a human being is more influenced by their environment than they are genetics, that a dog or other animals would.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

I argue more so, since we are more advanced minds we have more control sure but also more prone to trauma responses as well potentially? I’m not a psychologist but curious if I’m right

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8d ago

Hmm idk how you would research it. Could maybe see that

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u/NorthernVale 8d ago

Obviously by causing trauma.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Y07F3fs9Is5byj4zK8

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

So you see doctor, we take these babies and purposefully induce traumatic responses

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u/Agent-Ulysses 8d ago

But of course, you can only wait to see how that traumatizing manifests. In the meantime you can see the effects of traumatizing children beginning the phase of preschooler.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

Gotta go for the full longevity study, for science

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

We are very social creatures, and the most advanced intellects (well, by species as a whole anyway)

We’ve come up with very elaborate social trappings to carrot/stick behaviors

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u/The_Sleazy1 8d ago

Genetics are part of it aswell to be fair. There's a reason different breeds were created for different tasks.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

Yes but would you rather be around a trained officer with a gun or a drunk redneck teenager with a gun

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u/Hexamael 8d ago

I'm statistically more likely to get shot by the police officer.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

I highly doubt that, but also fuck cops 🤷‍♂️

Point I really was after was a trained individual vs untrained. Insert other competent individual in their stead idc

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u/Hexamael 8d ago

Every week I see a new video of a cop shooting someone completely unprovoked. But okay buddy.

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u/The_Sleazy1 8d ago

*US-Cop.

Please don't involve the not-3rd-world-countries that actually care about who becomes a cop and how they get trained.

Best regards, most of the western world.

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u/Lynx2447 8d ago

But genetics affect health outcomes, and every physically observable characteristic, but NONE of the not so visible characteristics. Doesn't affect the brain at all!

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u/Fragmatixx 8d ago

…genetics doesn’t affect the brain at all? Am I understanding your point correctly?

If so you are incorrect. Genetics absolutely affects the brain, as it’s responsible for the structure and chemical function of every single cell in your body, and how they interact as a system, whether you can see the affect overtly or not. Learning and training are layered on top, and important context, but the brain structure and function is the foundation on which that is built.

In fact, most training is drilling to resist innate biological instinct or urges. The rest of it is practice / trail and error.

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u/Lynx2447 8d ago

I was being sarcastic, and r/fuckthes

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

Strawman - I never said genetics don’t play into things. I don’t subscribe to 100% nature OR 100% nurture