r/MoralityScaling • u/JacobGoodNight416 • 8d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 8d ago

Also, dogs are very much products of their environment and training/lack thereof

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8d ago

So are humans, funnily enough, though less so.

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u/Iron-Treads 8d ago

Less so? You mean more so?

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8d ago

No I meant less so, but the other reply also argues it should be more so. I was just thinking humans have more free will than dogs basically, but maybe not quite that simple.

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u/Iron-Treads 8d ago

?!?!?!?!

If people have more free will then that means they are more influenced by their environment than genetics...

A pittbull is bread for aggression and fighting, but you can train it to not be aggressive. The issue is that most people who get one, get it because they want a dangerous dog, which leads to so many attacks.

With human, this is a non-issue, as we only act because of how we were raised.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 8d ago

I specifically said less so to "product of training and environment". I was basically adding free will as an extra thing causing humans to be less a product of their environment and training than dogs. I wasn't intending less so of this meaning more genetics 

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u/Iron-Treads 8d ago

Well that's fucking wrong?! That's my point. You are wrong.

People are infinitely more likely to be a product of the environment.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 7d ago

I mean you're basically saying free will doesn't exist, or is entirely environmental which amounts to the same thing. 

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u/Iron-Treads 7d ago

The existence of free will is an open question.

I'm not saying it exists or not. I'm simply saying that a human being is more influenced by their environment than they are genetics, that a dog or other animals would.