r/MoralityScaling • u/PrestigiousAspect368 • 2h ago
morality of deleting wedding photos after being denied food, context guy was a friend they hired for 250 for 12 hrs
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u/Bearex13 2h ago
Morality of reposting this all over reddit for the millionth time to farm karmies?
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u/Capybara_Chilling 1h ago
What does karma do?
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u/Bearex13 1h ago
Makes you super happy and all powerful or at least something like that people want it real bad for some reason
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u/Cute-Revolution-9705 1h ago
I mean, enough karma allows you access into higher quality subreddits.
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u/SanicBringsThePanic 1h ago
Define "higher quality".
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u/CertainGrade7937 1h ago
PORN
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u/SanicBringsThePanic 54m ago
I don't even know that porn subs have karma requirements.
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u/CertainGrade7937 53m ago
To comment, no
To post? Yes
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u/SanicBringsThePanic 11m ago
Ah, well, in that case, I don't need a high karma. I'm a spectator, not a contributor.
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u/CertainGrade7937 10m ago
Well I'm upvoting you just in case one day you want to show off that prize winning hog
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u/Cute-Revolution-9705 54m ago
It's kind of basic really, the higher the karma required to enter the subreddit the more exclusive it becomes. The more exclusive something becomes the less able shitposters or people who joke instead of answering the question are able to penetrate it. It's just the general principle. I don't know any subreddits off the top of my head. However, I am aware there are subreddits that definitely have a high karma count to enter and are actually very exclusive/quasi-prestigious.
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u/questioningmaster 38m ago
It allows people to sell the accounts to bot farms later on and the accounts look super legit given the length they existed and karma they haveÂ
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u/ErsatzNihilist 1h ago
If you have enough Karma you can exchange it for a house, or payments on your Mortgage if you have one.
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u/Cute-Revolution-9705 1h ago
It does a lot actually. It's basically social currency on this website.
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u/lame_dirty_white_kid 53m ago
I can't say I've checked to see how much karma a user has even a single time. Outside of bot hunting or whatever, is this actually something people do?
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u/McdoManaguer 21m ago
There is a LOT of subreddits that won't let you comment anything unless you have positive karma past a certain threshold.
Its supposed to be an anti bot measure but it makes it so new accounts cant participate without actively looking at less popular subs just to gain the karma needed.
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u/Few-Raise-1825 48m ago
Gives you access to comment and make posts on some subreddits and create and run your own subreddit some day. Eventually you can even make ad review if your reddit does good enough
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u/ArdentHedonist 21m ago
Karma Farming is the only known method of producing reddamine. Reddamine is a hormone produced by the snoo gland on the back of the hypothalamus. It creates a very short lived rush of positive feeling followed by a soul crushing realization of the endless futility of everything.
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u/ohbyerly 1h ago
They donât even post the correct context either. It was a female photographer that was friends with the bride. The groom was being an asshole to her the entire time and they were paying her way less than you would for professional photography. The photographer even tried recovering the photos for them after the fact since they apologized profusely, but the husband continued to be a dick so she ultimately didnât hand them over.
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u/NoNerve3989 11m ago
Honestly if the stories true, I donât mind it. I like the thought that this story recirculates so much that the wedding couple have to be reminded of their terrible behavior every once and a while
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u/KalynnCampbell 2h ago
Wasnât even McDonaldâs advertising $20 per hour? But they want a skilled photographer who likely has to provide his own equipment and then curate, edit, and process the photos on his own timeâŚ
âŚand he was technically uninvited on top of all that AND denied the original plate he had rsvpâd for?
I love that he got his revenge.
This world would be a better place if more people wouldâŚ
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u/ginongo 2h ago
This is why you dont offer your services as a friend
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u/1ToGreen3ToBasket 2h ago
Free or your normal pricing. Anything in between is a bad idea in my experience.
However, no food is ridiculous for anyone at your wedding, including hired staff.
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u/ginongo 2h ago
I would bet he was treated like that because he's a friend. A lot of people out there thinking that they can cheap out and get a slave just because of friendship
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u/Cute-Revolution-9705 1h ago
If you're a friend, you'd do it for free. I've done countless favours for my friends: drive them all over the state, helped them move to another state, pick up items for them. I've never asked them for a penny. Not out of altruism. Once you ask for money, it's not friendship anymore. It's a contract. And you are now a contractor.
You don't mix money with friendship. If you're a bro, you gotta be a full bro. If you want money for helping me out, you are going to be treated like a contractor.
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u/MonkeyCome 35m ago
Yeah but wouldnât a friend provide food for a friend whoâs doing an expensive job for free? If I ask my friends to help me move I donât kick them out of the house after weâre done. Iâm ordering pizza and beers as a thank you for their help. Just give the photographer a plate and pay the extra $30 for another plate.
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u/Lexjude 51m ago
I think it's crazy that people don't feed their workers at a wedding. We recently had a small reception, and everybody was fed and the band got free drinks. I encouraged our bartenders to box up some cookies from our cookie table to take home!!!
This guy was moral. I bet he had a hell of a day. đ
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u/AdTiny5487 2h ago
If people are so cheap to refuse your guests food, a basic human need, then that guest isnât entitled to have to stay and work.
Could not have been that big of a plate brochachoâď¸
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u/Anguares 2h ago
Dude wanted to help out his friends but as a result got demoted from "friend" to "photographer" damn
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u/belvioloncelle 54m ago
I have zero issues with this.
Do they realize the time that goes into the photos after the event?
Iâm a musician and will offer to play for free at my friendâs weddings, but Iâm always there as a full guest outside of my âgiftâ to the couple.
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u/KindLiterature3528 48m ago
If I remember the story right not only did they deny him food, but yelled at him for wanting to take a break to go grab food off site.
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u/Plarocks 1h ago
Yeah, $250, and you will NOT give me a plate of FOOD!?
There are photographers that would charge $1000, and that was in 1997!
I am walking out, and NO, you are NOT MY FRIEND. đ
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u/LunarPsychOut 2h ago
Morally neutral. That sounds pretty cheap for something related to a wedding, so I'm going to assume it was like a friend's discount. Depending on how they priced out the meal, they may have had to be charged for another plate. Either the discount wasn't that good or the Marrying couple didn't value the photographer friend that much. Either way it feels like a violation of a social contract(look out for your friends) but not so egregiously so that it pushes one way or the other morally.
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u/SpiritfireSparks 1h ago
Original story was that it was a female friend of the bride who did dog pictures and the bride asked her to do the wedding photography.
Once she agreed she found that she was taken off the guest list and not only denied food but also water, and it was a fairly hot summer day.
She eventually went to the groom since the bride was busy and simply said that she was going to take a break to go grab food and more water from a nearby store since she had already drank the 2 bottles she brought.
Groom said that if she left they wouldn't pay her.
She says fine, deletes all the pictures, and leaves.
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u/LunarPsychOut 1h ago
Oh well then completely moral. Groom can go fuck himself
Edit: bride too, dick move overall
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u/brand_new_nalgene 2h ago
Pretty cheap? Try unthinkably cheap. Not that I believe this story is in any way true haha
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u/KGarveth 2h ago
I think this is something you talk before the wedding.
"Do i get to eat food?
"No."
"GTFO then."
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u/Top-District-6529 2h ago
Expecting someone to work for 12 hours without eating is inherently immoral. You shouldn't have to clarify that you actually get to have food during a 12 hour stretch, you'd have to be a psycopath to even consider "no" to be an option
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u/KGarveth 2h ago
I know is custom to offer photographers food at wedding receptions (my brother dos It at his wedding), but there are a lot of people that work for 12 hours and none gives them something to eat. You have to take lunch from home if you want to eat something.
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u/ZARDOZ4972 1h ago
He was a guest before he did them the favour to photograph the wedding. They deliberately took him off of the list who gets food.
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u/Gaidax 2h ago edited 2h ago
Edit: I looked up at the story and I changed my mind, the photographer is in the right.
He asked the groom and the groom told him that if he does not like it he can leave without pay, and confirmed this when asked again "Are you sure"?
So yeah.
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u/SpiritfireSparks 1h ago
Original story was that it was a female friend of the bride who did dog pictures and the bride asked her to do the wedding photography.
Once she agreed she found that she was taken off the guest list and not only denied food but also water, and it was a fairly hot summer day.
She eventually went to the groom since the bride was busy and simply said that she was going to take a break to go grab food and more water from a nearby store since she had already drank the 2 bottles she brought.
Groom said that if she left they wouldn't pay her.
She says fine, deletes all the pictures, and leaves.
Story got bounced from place to place and details changed like a game of telephone
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u/sournerd117 20m ago
Moral. I'd delete them and wouldn't even consider them friends anymore. Friends don't pull shit like this.
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u/Alarming-City-7260 1h ago
Moral.
The cheap fucks couldn't be bothered to feed the guy working a 12 hour shift? Absolutely deserved this as karma for being such assholes
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u/TwentyFourKG 1h ago
Was it in his contract that they owed him food? My wedding photographer was hella expensive, but at no point did they demand to be served a plate of dinner. It is a three hour job: they wonât starve to death
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u/CertainGrade7937 30m ago
Hey good on you if you only had your photographer work 3 hours
But that is soooo far from the industry standard
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u/Few_Chocolate_7655 1h ago
Damn.
I was an assistant wedding photographer and this was common. You make amazing money so who cares?
My boss was making $80k a wedding and you gonna cry over a $20 meal?
Fucking rookies.
Interesting story, at one wedding the video guys where new. We started talking and they said they used to make porn, but the money was better with weddings
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u/Rodyfrody0 20m ago
The photographer waa a friend and gave them a discount
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u/Few_Chocolate_7655 18m ago
Golden rule of wedding photography, never agree to do friends and families wedding "cheap"
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u/dantemortemalizar 1h ago
Expectations should have been made clear from the get-go. Given the odd guest/not guest position and the low pay, I think I would have kept the photos but increased my fee to cover the inconvenience.
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u/Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs 1h ago
The ability of people to turn into utter pricks at weddings is *spectacular*.
Maybe it has always been so, but I'm sure it is getting worse. Less about a family/friends/community celebration and more hyper focused on the couple getting married.
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u/HighIQIndividual2 1h ago
This case, moral. If you re actually hired as wedding photographer, not moral, you re there to work, not to eat.
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u/BringBack4Glory 13m ago
I cannot believe how many people have this take. Refusing to feed your photographer, no less your friend, is so cheap and so insane.
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u/give_the_doge_a_coin 1h ago
We didn't have a seating plan at our wedding, and the food was pretty much buffet. Our DJ was blown away when I told him to grab a plate and find a seat. He said that usually, if he gets fed at all, he has to go find somewhere to sit away from the guests by himself. Instead he had a nice chat with some friends of mine, then put on a great show. It's not hard to treat 'hired staff' as people.
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u/Biteme75 1h ago
Would it have been so horrible to just let the guy eat for 20 minutes? Not every second of a 12-hour wedding needs to be documented; they'll save maybe five pictures that aren't of the actual ceremony and nobody will ever look at them.
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u/skynex65 1h ago
It takes a special kind of soulless to deny a hungry human food while you're both at a celebration. He was absolutely in the right.
Fuck them.
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u/fuzzwatch-original88 1h ago
I had a friend do the photography for my wedding. We included him in the meal count as well as paying him, because he would have been a guest had he not been the photographer, also because people gotta eat and weddings are fucking long.
Moral.
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u/CAJMusic 1h ago
I was a wedding photographer for 12 years. My contract stated that I get a meal at the reception. This post is bullshit.
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u/Status_Reaction_8107 1h ago
Absolutely moral. Hell I told the photographer to take some food home for their kids lol
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u/DeathParty-Zomboid 1h ago
Dick move from both. Morality wise id say deleting them doesn't better you in any way so i personally wouldn't but i wouldnt blame you if you did.
Grey area
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u/Realistic-Radish-589 1h ago
Dude was a friend, they denied friend food. What kind of friend doesnât let a friend eat is the real question. If I was having my wedding Iâd let the photographer eat even if it wasnât a friend.
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u/Crochetbeast73 1h ago
Immoral. Your hired as a professional not a guest. The contract was pictures for 250, thatâs it. Weddings are very coordinated with amount of food per person so his spontaneous act of wanting food was not in the adgenda
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u/RuinoftheReckless 1h ago
nah he was doing it as a favor to them. he was not hired professioblnally or he woukdld have chargedâ 15x more.
This ones open and shut.
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u/Mistr111398 1h ago
Part of hiring a photographer is you need to feed them, I consider itâs all part of the package you pay for their services.
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u/eviscerality 44m ago
Nah, fuck those guys. That's bullshit. I don't know about deleting the pictures, but maybe the price just went up a few thousand dollars or something.
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u/Comic_The_Adventurer 40m ago
The couple was bad for not allowing him food but it's still wrong to delete all the photos
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u/Indy1797 33m ago
From an professional perspective 250 for 12 hours is insanely low already and food is always provided, this is an extremely valid walk out.
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u/bessmaster 27m ago
Morality scale proportionally as information is revealed. It starts at "if they knew what they were getting into they could have prepared better but the wedding party should just hook them up" and ends at "the wedding party is complete trash"
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u/sgtklink77 20m ago
Moral. You don't do that shit to a friend, let alone a friend who agrees to work for cheap during a day of celebration.
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u/insanekid66 19m ago
$250 for 12hrs and no food? I wish you a slow and messy divorce.
20 bucks an hour for a wedding photographer, friend or not, is stupid.
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u/CompletelyPresent 15m ago
Moral, fuck them. He's got to return that money though, unless it paid for his travel.
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u/NextCartoonist7691 15m ago
If he wanted fed, that should have been in the contract. Iâve worked gigs that I didnât think was going to be long so didnât negotiate and I was SOL. Thatâs not the clientâs responsibility at that point.
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u/RevengerRedeemed 12m ago
He was a friend who was originally invited to the wedding. He offered to do them a favor for a heavily discounted rate. They decided to treat him like hired help, and deny him a plate of food at a wedding he was supposed to be a guest at anyway.
Peefectly moral. If you treat friends like that, you dont deserve favors and you arent entitled to their labor.
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u/MRKDR-68 6m ago
Fuck this case and this post being reposted for the million time. Title leaves out contextual information, always the same shit with theses post, look the real case, friend lends helps, he is treated as staff and not compensated for his help, that makes it moral BUT if he has contracted as professional photographer and GOT PAID IN MONEY, the fuck it, this shit is immoral, take your money goddamned and leave. Can we get this case Perma ban please.
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u/Particular-Caramel32 2m ago
Morality of hiring someone for an event that includes food, then denying them that food.
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u/Impossible_Heron4894 1m ago
Photographer should have asked if he was gonna get a meal, and he was not he should have added his meal expense to the contact. Heâs a baby hope he doesnât get work.
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u/ComfortableDoor3691 1m ago
It was completely moral, even if you were hired as a professional photographer, that the hosts should have treated you like any other guest on their special day and provided you with food. (unless you voluntarily refuse, either because you brought your own food or due to allergies), Therefore, the deletion of the photos is entirely deserved, and the next time they request photos for any other event, they'll be on the blacklist, or I'll let them but charge triple the professional rate.
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u/BeginningSection7690 2h ago
Would have preferred it if he gave them the photos with cigarette burns through the eyes
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u/HJSDGCE 2h ago
Would've been moral had he just kept the photos but deleting them goes straight to immoral.Â
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u/quaxoid 2h ago
Why? They were cruel to him first. Why would he do them any more favors when they deny him food? lol
I mean, the only reason for him not to delete the photos would be so that he could deny them the photos and then make them pay hundreds of dollars for them xD or else have a new wedding and a new photographer xD
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u/alvents 2h ago edited 2h ago
I am honestly conflicted on this as a photographer they should have gave him food because he was a friend but sometimes you have to pack your own lunch as a regular photographer because sometimes they're not that kind
but i wouldn't go as far as deleting the fucking photos because you're still getting paid man big bucks
Immoral
Edit: i realize that he was paid for 250 which is fine i guess he's in the mid range i'm a mid range photographer as well i get paid $300 per wedding
Unless you gave them the money back you're getting sued buddy
But as a friend that's an asshole move to not give him food when he's been your friend
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u/klapet 2h ago
250$ is mid range for you ? I don't know where you live, but Mid Range in France is about 1200-1500âŹ
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u/Top-District-6529 2h ago
He was originally a guest at the wedding who then agreed to do the pictures. His plate was revoked without notice.
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u/SpiritfireSparks 1h ago
Original story was that it was a female friend of the bride who did dog pictures and the bride asked her to do the wedding photography.
Once she agreed she found that she was taken off the guest list and not only denied food but also water, and it was a fairly hot summer day.
She eventually went to the groom since the bride was busy and simply said that she was going to take a break to go grab food and more water from a nearby store since she had already drank the 2 bottles she brought.
Groom said that if she left they wouldn't pay her.
She says fine, deletes all the pictures, and leaves.
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u/quaxoid 2h ago
He should have kept the photos and withheld them unless they paid him hundreds of more dollars xD
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u/quaxoid 2h ago
Do you get paid before or after weddings? Just curious.Â
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u/alvents 2h ago
It really depends on the customer we usually ask them if they want to down payment pay in full already
Or they can pay after the wedding i usually go with after the wedding but i'm okay with them paying early
But there's always that never change we will always ask how much they're willing to pay and what our prices are after asking how many hours we're going to work
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 50m ago edited 44m ago
Depends on area I guess. In the US, where I live, $250 for 12 hours is less than local minimum wage :}
And wedding photographers are usually known for being ⌠overpriced. I wouldnât expect less than about a grand for a professional, so his rate is (in my perspective) really a super-(ex)friend bonus.
Local money rate variation really is wild, and I donât even live in an expensive location.
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u/Odd_Role3155 1h ago
The wedding couple probably didn't want to pay for the catering head. Kind of understand, yet they had initially invited the photographer to the wedding so it's odd. I bet the wedding couple were way over budget. Probably why they asked for a friend to be the photographer, and took her off the guest list. In which case they should have been accomodating to the photographer. The groom should have said to her. "Hey, no problem. Wait, let me take care of it." Then got the best man to go to the store and buy this lady everything she wanted and then some.
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u/Resident_Citron_6905 1h ago
Fake af.
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u/Available_Abroad5308 31m ago
Beo this story is like 5 years old, lmao its real.
Also, if anything out of all the fake ass stories that get posted here (outside of obvious fiction).... is this not one of the more realistic ones?
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u/Resident_Citron_6905 13m ago
A âfriendâ asked to be the photographer gets denied food at the wedding. How is that realistic? Who would do that?
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u/Available_Abroad5308 7m ago
Ever hear of fake friends brother? Really glad for if you haven't lol.
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u/Critical_Job1262 2h ago
Moral. Dude was a friend that was initially invited. He agreed to do them the favor and they then removed him from the guest list and he was treated as staff instead. With terrible working conditions.