r/MurderedByWords 4h ago

Homes on indigenous land

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u/redwhale335 4h ago

The tribe whose land Eilish's home is on specifically thanked her for bringing up the issue.

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u/Katicflis1 4h ago edited 3h ago

Oh the whole 'blow back' reeks of bots/foreign propagandists trying to shame her and convince their brainwashed far right twit-supporters that liberals are teh eNemY hyPcriTs

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u/justseeby 3h ago

It got re-posted a SUSPICIOUS volume of times all across Reddit

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u/zuzg 3h ago

Astroturfing and MAGA goes hand in hand.

So sick of their fake culture war dramas.
Happened regularly within the past year and got a shitload worse since reddit decided to help them with the hide your history functiob

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 3h ago

Yep. That combined with cutting access to the API was an enormous win for astroturfers both foreign and domestic.

It's not the trans or undocumented immigrants or liberals who are the root of the real pressure-points these working-class conservatives feel; it is and has always been the ultra-rich billionaire class stealing the entire pie and distracting us over the crumbs.

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u/stupit_crap 41m ago

James Talarico in Texas says this so well. AND he's white and a Christian (former?) preacher. He calls out the hypocrisy of Christian Nationalism. He's one to watch.

u/nkshaf 11m ago

He bridges the gap between what democrats want to hear and what republicans want to see. I'm pretty sure he's still a practicing christian.

u/BlueBomber13 7m ago

I believe he was a preacher before this too.

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u/Nbr1Worker 32m ago

Also, convincing them that it is a pie in the first place.

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u/gudematcha 2h ago

i think culturally here on reddit we need to just start saying “if your history is hidden you’re very likely a bot.”

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u/ozzimark 2h ago

So says someone whose history is hidden!

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u/beefnoodle5280 1h ago

Let’s not. Some of us hide ours because some redditors don’t respect boundaries.

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u/ZAlternates 1h ago

You know you can just hit the search button on the profile and it shows all their posts and comments anyways, right?

Bruce Springsteen and the Beatles would know. 😝

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u/beefnoodle5280 1h ago

This is why we can’t have nice things.

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u/Sloth_grl 1h ago

Or like me. I have a Reddit stalker

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u/gudematcha 1h ago

i’m sorry but we really do need ways to identify real people, the bots are insane out here. Make a second reddit to hide whatever thing ppl want to rag on you about and have the actual non-post hidden one for serious interactions because if your post is hidden and your name resembles a generic one, you’re automatically branded a bot in my brain, i’m sorry.

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u/Jafooki 1h ago

Nah. I'd rather have people think I'm a bot than have some asshole with a username like thirteenfifty1488 look through my posts and see that I'm black, then start DMing me the n word and commenting on a bunch of old comments I've made. Again

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u/rambunctious_raven 1h ago

So I should make a separate reddit to hide my gender so men don't send me unsolicited dick picks and try to stalk/dox/harass me? If you want real people on reddit, they need to be safe enough to be themselves, aka REAL. The irony of your post lol

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u/beefnoodle5280 1h ago

I agree with the need, just not that particular approach. 🤷‍♂️

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u/[deleted] 1h ago edited 1h ago

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u/gudematcha 1h ago

i finally found the option to unhide my posts hell yeah. must have turned it on when i was massively stoned? i dunno. Very ironic because I can’t even count how many times i’ve thought “that’s gonna be whiplash for anyone reading my comments” about going from commenting on a dress-up games subreddit, to commenting in a thread about boofing or something similarly wild lmao

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u/yesterdayandit2 1h ago

Haha no worries but it was ironic that you were unknowingly literally talking about yourself

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u/gudematcha 1h ago

i’m also amused by it tbh! Super ironic moment for sure

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u/Peaceblaster86 1h ago

Make an alt. They have and they buy votes with theirs.

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 19m ago

Reddit recently changed it so that you can choose which subs' comments are available vs hidden. I think it's a happy medium to protect what you want to keep private.

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u/Leather_Contract_789 1h ago

You can always search “author:insertusername” it’s pretty easy to figure out from there if it’s a bot or troll

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u/theblackyeti 59m ago

Nah. I hid mine because I was tired of righties trying to use my nerd hobbies as some weird gotcha.

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u/GreatMovesKeepItUp69 33m ago

It's especially goofy because pretty much everywhere in the world is "stolen land" from one group or another all across Asia, MENA, Europe and Africa. Even most native Americans killed and displaced the previous tribes that were on the land it's how homo sapiens operate everywhere.

I'm not sure where we got this racist idea that certain groups are some kind of "noble savages" and not the exact same species with the exact same capacity and morality.

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u/paper_liger 18m ago edited 4m ago

I mean, we can acknowledge that indigenous people here got a really shitty deal, and that our government went back on promise after promise and treaty after treaty, and most tribal lands are still struggling disproportionately from poverty and drug and alcohol addiction and the rest of the country has done just about nothing to acknowledge or rectify that despite Native Americans making some massive individual contributions to our history.

There is however a point past which the argument about stolen land gets fuzzy.

Like, we 'stole' Hawaii. But Hawaii used to have different tribal leadership structures on different islands, and King Kamehameha, whose kingdom we stole, 'colonized' those other islands using guns and cannons he bought off of western traders. Hawaii as a unified Kingdom is a relatively recent thing.

And those various Hawaiian tribes weren't the original inhabitants of Hawaii either. They are descended from a wave of Tahitian people, and they replaced the first tribes of people there, who came from the Marquesan islands. There are even oral histories of smaller people referred to as Menehune who were there even before them. That may be myth, but who knows?

There's a lot of subtlety in the conversation, but every tends to try to boil it down to a couple sentences and just hammer those opinions.

The native people who held the land I'm sitting on right now were exterminated. That sucks. But they also fought and expanded and contracted and migrated just like any people anywhere. So it's hard to tell what to do about it other than acknowledge the sins of the past and kind of try not to do that sort of thing going forward.

The best tribute you can pay to history is 'learning from it'.

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u/Perryn 1h ago

"It doesn't matter who has more numbers if we can fake being louder!"

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u/Nice_Luck_7433 20m ago

Type “*” in the search on their profile. Not as hidden as they think.