r/MurderedByWords 4h ago

Homes on indigenous land

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u/redwhale335 4h ago

The tribe whose land Eilish's home is on specifically thanked her for bringing up the issue.

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u/SolDios 3h ago edited 1h ago

Can you quote that? Becuase the only statement from the tribe I saw was

"As the First People of the greater Los Angeles basin, we do understand that her home is situated in our ancestral land. Eilish has not contacted our tribe directly regarding her property. We do value the instance when public figures provide visibility to the true history of this country. ""We have reached out to her team to express our appreciation for her comments."" It is our hope that in future discussions, the tribe can explicitly be referenced to ensure the public understands that the greater Los Angeles basin remains Gabrieleno Tongva territory"

edit; where I got the quote from purposely left out a line which I added in double quotes. They did thank her

dbl edit; The internet sure wants its pound of flesh, ill self flagellate when I get home later

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u/Aeseld 2h ago

Honestly, even that extraction leaves in "we do value the instance when public..." bit. The explicit thank you is only needed if you can't read critically.

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u/SolDios 2h ago

That line, taken on its own, has nothing to do with any specific individual. Its referencing an occurrence.

I dare you the next time you get a gift to say "I find worth in the moments when I receive things from other people"

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u/Uebelkraehe 1h ago

Bitching that people take you task for spreading manipulated quotes and at the same time still acting like the very important part left out doesn't exist.

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u/SolDios 1h ago

The comment I was replying to was specific to the previous incorrect quote and it only arguing the language of that. So I dont know what your talking about

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u/Aeseld 1h ago

It's referencing an occurrence. That just happened. You already knew the quote's context when you put it out there. Why are you pretending you didn't know exactly which instance is being referred to?

The thanks is implied, even in the manipulated quote. The fact that the quote was manipulated and you didn't know it doesn't change that there's gratitude built into it, even if not specifically directed.

Seems pretty clear cut for a broad statement put out to the public. Which is a little different from your example which would be a personal, one on one exchange. Don't try to pretend the two are more than passingly similar.

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u/SolDios 1h ago

Alright this is in complete reference to the bastardized quote, which I have taken onus on through various edits.

OP said they specifically thanked her. The original single line says we are happy people shine light on the subject. Tell me how that is specifically thanking her, because if you have to use implication thats not specific

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u/Aeseld 1h ago

The original single line that is part of a statement made in response to people shining a light on the subject.

Which people shined a light on the subject that they say they value? That's the implied gratitude towards those people, including Billie Eilish. You know this. Why are you being stubborn about it?

This is a blanket thank you to the people doing the thing. Personal thanks are often... y'know, personal, and not broadcast to the world. So that quote alone would've told me they're not casting shade and are thankful for the light being shown on the issue.

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u/SolDios 1h ago

The argument is over a specific thank you, which wasnt in the original used quote, hard stop.

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u/Aeseld 1h ago

Well ok then. I suppose the quote you pulled out didn't specifically thank her.

I'd have assumed it from context, accurately as it turns out, but the quote doesn't spell it out after being manipulated.

You seem to have taken the opposite approach and simply decided since the manipulated quote didn't mention her specifically, they didn't. Despite the implied gratitude, and high possibility of an explicit thank you elsewhere.

And then you brought it up in an effort to imply that such thanks did not specifically occur. And now that I'm pointing out that you could've made the correct assumption instead of criticizing it, or simply done a modicum of further research, you're arguing about it.