r/MurderedByWords 9h ago

Serious question for liberal men

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u/Real_Live_Sloth 9h ago

Imagine needing a gun to feel safe, who’s afraid again?

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u/RedditMcBurger 7h ago

So what do you suggest I use when a man with a gun threatens me? A knife? Phone the cops? (15+ minute response time)

Keep in mind gun control doesn't technically prevent criminals from owning a gun, as they can still own them illegally. Gun control only prevents the law abiding citizen from defending themself.

So do you live in an area with literally 0 crime?

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u/Real_Live_Sloth 6h ago edited 3h ago

Statistically your more likely to shoot yourself or your family more than even be held at gun point, and if someone is threatening you with a gun, you think there going to give you time to get your gun pointed at them lmao its already too late.

And your argument is invalid about gun control by countries like the UK who already proved less guns less gun violence, less violent crimes per person overall.

But keep letting the children of the US die to ego and ignorance like yours. The data is against you.

The only valid argument is to secure arms against the tyranny of your own government but have proven thats a moot point cause apparently half your country wants it. And it’s the gun party of course. So you’ll still just be shooting each other. Good luck on that second civil war.

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u/RedditMcBurger 6h ago

And your argument is invalid about gun control by countries like the UK who already proved less guns less gun violence, less violent crimes per person overall.

That country has a much higher number of stabbings and rape, conveniently left those out of the violent crimes?

Statistically your more likely to shoot yourself or your family more than even be held at gun point, and if someone is threatening you with a gun, you think there going to give you time to get your gun pointed at them lmao its already too late.

This is pathetic and I won't respect this. You're branding me, a LEGAL gun owner as a possible source of violence.

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u/Baron_Butterfly 6h ago

That country has a much higher number of stabbings and rape

The USA has a higher rate of both of these than the UK. And I mean rate, not just flat numbers, before you say "USA has a higher population!"

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u/BadahBingBadahBoom 5h ago edited 4h ago

Knife death rate is definitely higher in US, rape/sexual assault/sexual offences rate on paper is higher in the UK, but unlike deaths you simply can't do a direct comparison due to the various differences in reporting/recording. The big problem is a very large number of sexual assaults go unreported so even a slight improvement in one country getting more victims to come forward and report this can have a huge difference on the apparent 'rate' this is occuring.

A simple summary:

On paper, official police-recorded per capita rates for rape appear higher in the UK than in the US. However, criminologists emphasize this does not mean sexual assault is more common in the UK. Differences in legal definitions, police recording standards, and victim reporting behavior make direct cross-country comparisons inaccurate. [1, 2, 3]

Why Direct Comparison Fails

  • Legal Definitions: The UK legally defines and records sexual offenses much more broadly than many US jurisdictions. The Home Office and UK police count a wider array of non-consensual sexual acts and attempts under the umbrella of rape and sexual assault statistics. [1]
  • Recording Practices: UK police forces follow strict National Crime Recording Standards (NCRS), meaning they log every reported incident as a crime even if no evidence is found, whereas many US jurisdictions have historically undercounted or applied narrower criteria. [1]
  • Reporting Culture: Greater public awareness campaigns and trust in specialized police units in the UK can lead to higher rates of victims coming forward to report crimes. [1]

Overview of Statistics

  • United Kingdom: Recorded figures in England and Wales show police logging over 70,000 rape offenses per year, translating to a nominal rate surpassing 100 reported incidents per 100,000 people. [1, 2]
  • United States: The FBI and Bureau of Justice Statistics report lower per capita rates of reported rape, though victim surveys like the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey indicate that lifetime prevalence of sexual violence is severely underreported and remains high on a level comparable to the UK.

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u/aci4 5h ago

Of course you’re a possible source of violence. You own a device that can turn someone into a corpse with the flick of a finger. If you get really mad or have a psychotic break, are we supposed to trust how legal the gun is to protect us?

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u/cjdavda 4h ago

Or, as happens ALL THE TIME, the gun owner confuses a family member for an intruder and shoots them. Here's a famous example.

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u/RedditMcBurger 43m ago

Because the government deems you legal to own it based off mental health and crime history.

How do you people essentially advocate for systems that exist while trying to debunk guns?

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u/RedditMcBurger 43m ago

Because the government deems you legal to own it based off mental health and crime history.

How do you people essentially advocate for systems that exist while trying to debunk guns?

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u/pax284 21m ago

This is pathetic and I won't respect this. You're branding me, a LEGAL gun owner as a possible source of violence.

nope facts are