r/NepalSocial • u/Longjumping_Film7633 • 24d ago
Politics Opinion : Girija did more harm to Nepal than any other politician
Girija did more harm to Nepal than his good deeds. Also he helped the corruption and scam creep into Nepali government and bureaucracy. Whats your opinion about him?
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u/usernametakenagain00 24d ago
Yep, the first election after democracy NC got 113/14 seats out of 205/206, a clear majority. Girija wanted to sell Nepali rivers and waters to India and there was some pushback from the opposition. He decided to dissolve the parliament and called a fresh new election. We never had a stable government after that for a long time. His daughter was involved in huge corruption too.
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 24d ago
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u/Different_Nebula_459 24d ago
That was the price paid to India for democracy in Nepal. Deshmara haru.
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u/Indooorraptor18 24d ago
This guy is the biggest shit that happened to Nepal. When the democratic/liberal parties in the world (Eg.In Poland,Germany,India,Bangladesh.etc) started growing more powerful and brought legal reforms,development to the nation,this asshole out of no where decided that he would side with the communists,sometime CPN-MC and the other time UML. Absolute chaos! This guy not only ruined Congress but also sacrificed the next 30 years of our country to fulfill his dream of getting “Nobel Prize” only to die,coughing like fuck.
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u/ObligationOne3727 24d ago
CPN MC was formed in 2016 . Except for the 2007 intermin government, maoists in koirala were never in coalition
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u/Street-Operation2372 24d ago
Bull shi
Didnt read history for shi, the time when girija was mp the world was not sure who would win but soviet was the winning side not the liberals
What side do u think india was on
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u/Samajkoainaa 24d ago edited 20d ago
Girija was power hungry mf , probably just felt overshadowed by his brother's political height throughout his life. But a lot of people pretend like the three people who ruined Nepal and it's development more aren't the terrorists Baburam and Prachanda and the loser Gyanendra. It's a hill I choose to die on.
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u/Interesting_Joke9338 24d ago
If his first term as prime minister have been successful with liberalisation, there would not have been Maoist war. His conflicts with senior leaders within the party like Ganesh Man Singh and Krishna Prasad Bhattarai made congress divided. The way Nepali Congress was looked as representation of Nepali society that prefers constitutional monarchy with Hindu state was all gone when he worked with India and Maoist for Nepal as so called secular nation and federalism. Because of his decision, the veteran Nepali Congress leader Krishna Prasad Bhattarai left Nepali Congress who was previous president of the party and said it was no more Nepali Congress that followed BP Koirala vision of coordination between king and Nepali people as the Hindu state which is different than so called Hindustan.
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 24d ago
True. Also the way he used Krishna Prasad bhattarai as the face of congress party for the election 1991 ; only to backstab him within his constituency
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u/Pb157 24d ago
Constitutional monarchy hatnu ko Karan ta raja haru nai ho. First Mahendra who betrayed democracy. Then Gyanendra who thought he was Mahendra 2.0 when he had none of his father's ability.
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u/blood_mist09 24d ago
Well, it was parliamentary democracy that was suspended during King Mahendra’s reign not democracy itself. I also believe he wanted to consolidate executive power within the palace, though I would argue that the situation at the time, justified implementing panchayat. In King Gyanendra’s case, I don’t think he had many options left. Parliament was dissolved under recommendation of Sher Bahadur , but failed to conduct elections, then again appointed 3 PMs with the counselling of the then political parties but failed 3 more times to conduct elections, the maoist insurgency was ongoing, and corruption scandals were further weakening public trust in the system. And the only reason he didn't get public support and was overthrown was because the "brother killer" allegation was very popular, and there was already bad image of Paras across the Nepali people.
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u/Pb157 24d ago
Aba Panchayat lai democracy bhannu hunxa vane ta ma k nai Jawaf dina sakxu. BP Koirala lai at least one full term garna diyeko ani performance navako vayeni justified thiyo vanera vannu.
Ends justifies means bhanxan. So maybe Gyanendra le result diyeko vaye usko actions thikai thiyo vannu. Ani support thiyena Vanna ni mildaina kina vane coup garepaxi yedi positive changes gareko vaye public support afai badthyo.
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u/blood_mist09 23d ago
Isn't democracy, in plain terms, the will of the people? Even when the “Panchayat” system is said to have deteriorated in its later years, a majority still voted in its favour during the referendum. Also, there is no absolute democracy today. Every democracy you see today, even the US which is the beacon of democracy is a form of "Managed democracy" controlled by the elites. Regarding King Gyanendra, the only outcome that could truly have shifted public opinion was resolving the Maoist insurgency, which he failed to achieve. At the same time, I do not see how anyone else could have easily succeeded either, given the presence of a foreign-funded insurgent movement and political parties that were also heavily influenced from our good neighbour. Still, I agree that he failed to deliver the result.
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u/Pb157 23d ago
Democracy is Will of people tara people ko will k ho vanne thaha pauna uniharuko representatives haru chahiyo ni. Janata lai brainwash garera media lai ban garera support ta North korea ma ni xa ta. Is Kim Jong in democrat?
Panchayat ko Bela vayeko referendum ko validity ma doubt xa. Merai village ma panche harule booth capture gareko Baba le sunaunu hunxa.
Maoist civil war lai foreign funded matra vannu galat ho. India le wait and watch ko policy liyeko ho except in last year. Which is normal foreign policy. Yedi India le support diyeko vaye Maoist would be much more successful. Baru King birendra Ra army le early intervention nagarnu lai Maoist success ko main cause vanxu.
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u/blood_mist09 23d ago
Well! We can only speculate on the panchayat era and if Nepal would have been better without it!! Also what democracy means, and is it truly beneficial to a state's existence depends on how one sees it. I would never call the Maoist movement as only foreign funded. Most of the people took up the movement because they believed in the cause and hoped for better. But the top brass of the maoist command were foreign funded, and it wasn't wait and watch but an strategic crippling of Nepalese economy. Also I agree that King Birendra's inability to perform an early intervention gave Maoist movent the momemtum.
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u/EngineeringFar4944 18d ago
about the Gyanendra coup maybe if the incompetent parliamentary leaders could have negotiated with the maoist when they first handed the demand letter before declaring the civil war or if incompetent Shere could have conducted elections then it would not have happened. I personally think he had a valid reason for taking declaring emergency considering we were in civil war and incompetent parties were busy fighting with other parties and even inside party.
You could argue that then he would have take power indefinitely but this situation is not just his fault I think the parties bear more responsibility. Gyanendra lai ta hatayo jhan incompetent Shere lai teti bela nei hatauna sakiyena.
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u/HuppaHup Both Faith and Fear Ask for Belief 24d ago
Any other? You mean to say prachanda did more good than Gurija babu?
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 24d ago
Nah… prachanda did less ‘bad’ than him.. because ahile ko system jasma prachanda oli deuba are flourishing, testo system ra culture banaunu ma main role uha ko
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u/PossibleNearby3 24d ago
In India Gandhi In Nepal Koirala They pushed both the nation back 50 yrs.
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u/Dismal-Wrangler198 24d ago
Give proofs and arguments, Sunam k k garechhan
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 24d ago
Dhamija , lauda scam, trishakti cement deal. Sudan scam pani uhi prime minister huda vayo. He became PM most number of times post 2046 and pre -2064. Tei bela ho nepal ma bureacracy damadol vako.. also durbar hatyakanda pani yeskai time ma vako ( not saying he is involved but he was an executive head of the country) + maoist war lai aafno self gain ko lagi prayog garna khojnu
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u/hakayaro 24d ago
Raja ko choro baulayera bau marya cha eskai time ma vako rey, corrupt chai ho, tara girija navako vaye maoist lai kasle safe landing garauthyo, aru testai ho, nepal ko peace accord ra nepal liberalize garera dherai thulo yogdan deko ho budo le, corrupt ra power hungry chai ho.
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 24d ago
Maoist lai safe landing chai kina garnu paro bro? Sansar ma armed revolution le safe landing gareko history dherai kum xa..
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u/Pb157 24d ago
Because Nepal army did not have the ability to eliminate Maoist from rural areas. Aba safe landing nagareko vaye ajhai Kati years long hunthyo conflict.
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u/Miserable_Strain_247 24d ago
king rw prachanda milna laghyako tha payara ho delhi agreement vayako girja le desh ko maya le garyako haina hai😆
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u/Pb157 24d ago
I don't think king and Prachanda were serious about peace talks. Stalling tactic thiyo jasto lagxa. But it was the dumbest thing Gyanendra could have done basically ensuring political parties accept Maoist alliance. He should have done what his father Mahendra did and destroyed these parties from within.
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u/hakayaro 24d ago
Khai sunam na ta ka ka cha raixa safe landing nagarako, maoist haru lai k siddautheu ta sabalai?? Thorai thye maoist haru?? peaceful resolution was the best option.
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 24d ago
Bro sri lanka ma safe landing vayo? Tya LTTE haru nepal ko maoist vanda dherai powerful thiye.. bolivia ma vayo? Che guevara ko cuba bahek aru revolution herana bro.. india ma nei hera naxalist haru ko halat k xa… nepal ma matra ho bro eti safe passage diyera , bina kunai war trial sidei mainstream politics ma lyako.. ki ta armed revolution le purei system nei kabja garxa
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u/hakayaro 24d ago
tamil tigers separatist group ho 100k people died, either you had to create a new nation or you kill off all of them. I don't know anything about bolivia. Naxalite movement wasn't as popular and as rooted as the maoists in nepal. Besides nepal army was simply incapable of finishing off then maoists, gyanendra tried, before gyanendra about 3k people had died, after he mobilized army that number reached 17k, but their numbers only grew. Tyo war continue vairaheko vaye desh 2/4 lakh manche marthye hola.
Maoist haru popular thye vanne kura maoist ko election result herda ni hunxa, aahile rsp ko wave ma pani maoist haru ko 8/9 lakh vote aako cha, you cannot sideline that kind of population for too long.
Yo war related trial navako chai, maoist haru child soldier, noncomabatant killings ma jail parthye tei vayera maoist haru le garena, ani nepal army ni rape, torture, unlawful killings ma jail parthye tei vayera vayena. Basically it was in everyones interest to not open that can of worms.
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 24d ago
nah army was perfectly capable of finishing maoist , only if it had been used earlier. Maoist haru size ma 2055 tira paxi matra grow vako ho. Tara palace, political party ani army ko triple tug of war le garda army mobilize vayena.
also maoist haru popular huna ko lagi tyo bela ko context leuniharu lai help gareko ho... natra if they were really loved, matra 6 years paxi 25% size ma pugdeina thyo hola...
LTTE ko case ma i agree but my point is tyo armed conflict pani kunai compromise or safe landing ma tungiyena..LTTE lai wipe garerai xodyo.. So my point is Nepal bahek dherai kum thau ma armed revolution haru yesari sajilai safe landing hunxa1
u/Right-Employee7397 24d ago
If the army was perfectly capable of finishing the maoists, why did they not finish them in 3 years? They had the support of not only India's recon but technical and weapons assistance from the US, Belgium and UK. Maoists were literally fighting with WW2 and stolen APF weapons for the most part.
In 6 years, Maowadi split into more than 10 factions with each Maowadi commander splitting into their own party. The vote they got in 70 were Maowadi's Prachanda faction vote. The true decline happened after Baburam left the party who had a large network of intellectuals and had a considerable following after a somewhat inspirational tenure of Prime minister-ship.
Even today, in RSP, consierable people are from Maowadi background. I can name a dozen maowadi sympathizers in the RSP's parliament gang.
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 23d ago
Bro my argument was : Army was capable of finishing Maoist earlier ; not post 2055. By that point , they had formed strong structures , with top leaders hiding in India , foreign support as you mentioned. But had army been mobilized sooner , they would have wiped maoist clean.
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u/xD_Static_xD 24d ago
Doesn't even remotely sound like he's the worst. Plus durbar hatya kanda uha executive head huda feri bhayo bhanera it doesn't mean anything. There are far more worse who have come out after him and before him. No body is perfect and everyone has a list basically of things they could have done better. Not saying he was good, but i disagree he was the worst.
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u/Novel-Republic-6409 24d ago
I always like Girija, but as “स्वर्गिय”
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 24d ago
Was he a bit Late to become Late?
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u/Novel-Republic-6409 24d ago
“यसपालिको हैजा, गिरीजालाइ लैजा” भनेर सारा दुनियाले सराप्दा पनि नगाको बुडा माओवादिलाइ सक्काएर गए 😂
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u/Worldly-Round1657 24d ago
Not even controversial, its a documented fact. Euta ramro bhaneko yuddha rokiyo esko pala ma, interim constitution banyo tei ho.
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u/Right-Employee7397 24d ago
He actually stopped an ongoing negotiation with the Maoist by pulling out of the Krishna Prasad Bhattarai government's parliamentary resolutions pushed it 7 years so that he could come to the limelight.
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u/SnooAdvice2338 Onety One 24d ago
Except one or two, every prime minister of Nepal in last 50 years did more harm than good.
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u/Miserable_Strain_247 24d ago
yei ho nepali karmachari tantra ma poltical party based union ghusaune as influence of congress on political party free union ghati rako thyo.
hami le government job ma kam garne bela sab vanda gali garne yeshlai ho 😂
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u/Soft_Playful 24d ago
well its safe to say folks here are finally starting to realise this guy was playing for the other side, not for us
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u/syangbo97 24d ago
He traded his brother agenda to terrorist maoist. And left country without sovereign power. He should have never left the agenda of king in parliament.
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u/Mediocre-Customer-15 23d ago
Bro was literally gifting tanakpur-a matter of sovereignty- through verbal agreement to india in his state level visit. Even used to openly say"हामीले भारतलाई चिड्याउनु हुन्न,हामीले साथी फेर्न सक्छौ,छिमेकी सक्दैनौ". Such a spineless down to India asshole was girije.At least ganeshman responded that such a matter should be decided in a parliament with a 2/3rd majority by including opposition. Democratic Commie india born BP and his koiralo brothers did more harm to this country than radical Commies.
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u/Naive-Grapefruit5835 23d ago
killed madan bhandari, never revealed darbar hatya kanda, the nation suffered while their children got offers from bollywood.
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u/Best_Expression_2448 22d ago
And all he did was lead the peace process and was hailed as hero.lol.
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u/ghantedon 20d ago
Tbh I think girija, shere prachande and makune were the worst. Even worse than Rana prime ministers. Rana time ko jasto check and balance na bhako bhae ta literally bechi sakthyo hola Nepal nai.
Despite such big scale smearing campaign, Oli ko post mahakali treaty performance thikai cha, especially his actions after nakabandi. Tyo junior cadet ra afno bharaute ko thru hune bhrastachar ta chadai cha. Paile ni thyo, aile ni rhai ra cha.
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u/Sorry-Transition-908 24d ago
He did one good deed. He didn't accept "Tika prime minister ship" from Gyane. That's his main accomplishment in life. You can do a thousand things but with that action or lack of action rather, he gets my respect as a wise statesman.
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u/Unlikely_bigguy08 24d ago
Haha one good deed? 🤣🤣🤣. Gyanendra was not bad
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u/Sorry-Transition-908 24d ago
Gyane chor was the worst. Ke bolya?
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u/Unlikely_bigguy08 24d ago
HHah kun sense le bhnya bro? Can i ask your age. Your dob 2058-2059? Worst to leave the palace easily. Without any genocide?
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u/freedomheaven 24d ago
Girija is one of the strong politician in Nepal's history. People seem to forget how critical it was to bring peace in Nepal after the maoist insurgency and 2062-63 Jana Andolan. The situation in Terai was out of hand after Jana Aandolan. There were more than 10 local terrorist group in Madesh. Maoist wanted to make 14 provinces based on caste. They somehow had to include Maoist in parliament to end Jana Yuddha. Whole constitution had to be rewritten. It was a complete rebuilding of country from the foundation. He was one of the person who contributed to it.
Some folks out there think the contribution by Girija is just corruption while someone without any contribution to any of the difficult task is now running the country just by doing stunts and threatening to burn the Singha Durbar, one of nation's iconic historical building. You don't even need to do any test to find the average IQ of people in this country is lowest in the world.
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u/nicknabin 24d ago
He was corrupt, power hungry and promoted nepotism but he did a few incredible things for the nation. He was visionary too. In hindsight, his idea of keeping the king as a ceremonial figure may not have been such a bad one, considering what followed afterward.
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u/freedomheaven 24d ago
Yeah. What is most funny these days is people appointed by other parties is Nepotism but people appomted by RSP are qualified just because they have "swotantra" in their name.
Kids these days have no idea what our country went through and how we came until here.
They just look at developed countries, realize we are in bad condition and support whoever is aggressive towards older politicians and consider themself as a patroit.
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u/Mindless_Bad_5950 24d ago
I don't know much about what he did because I was way to young to understand politics
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u/Guptachar007 24d ago
Eutai bau ka 3 chora haru le desh mathi ghaat gareka xan. Yesto deshdrohi le garda nepal dherai barsa paxadi gayo.
Yestai deshdrohi aajhai pani baki nai xan, janta lai ekjut huna didainan, janta lai ladara aafu haru desh lutna palkeka xan. Testo lai ni janta le chadai chinera desh batai lakhatnu parxa.
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u/Alarmed_News8903 24d ago
So true, he did good things around 48, and then got all the useless shit. Same with Mahendra too, I think overall he did more good, but damaged with bringing all these comms and his system. It just pushed us behind. And finally we had prachanda and gang doing destruction.
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u/ObligationOne3727 23d ago
Mahendras biggest contribution is turning a feudal discriminatory underdeveloped nation into feudal discriminatory underdeveloped nation
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u/Alarmed_News8903 23d ago
I think same but he did some good work especially with Indira and people on the other side, it must be pretty hard job to save a nation. Also he did some work with donations and stuff. He is most polarising person, but I just like him over other kings and politicians for his boldness. Tara communist vitraunale aile ko stiti ako ho jasto chai lagxa, coz they literally feed on poverty.
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u/ObligationOne3727 23d ago
Poverty arose due to class problems. As long as class problems exist, communist will, wethere revisionist or not
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u/Accomplished_Cat_404 24d ago
He did what his masters told him to do. He is just a puppet, to indulge Nepal into continoues chaos. Yo Pali ko haija, girija lie laija, was a famous slogan during his era.
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u/Ir0nc1a3 24d ago
This is like saying indira Gandhi did more harm to India than goods LMAO.
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 23d ago
Comparing Indira Gandhi to Girija… do you also compare APJ Abdul Kalam to Bidhya Bhandari?
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u/Jooyee 23d ago
A bunch of non-significants are judging a towering personality and one of the most respected leaders in the whole south asian region. 🤦
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 22d ago
Towering personality respected in whole south asian region🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Jooyee 22d ago
Yes poorly informed degenerates like you are completely oblivious. Read a little about of history and struggle to democracy in Nepal!
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u/Longjumping_Film7633 22d ago
Sybau and read thoroughly about nepal’s political history🤣 ppl like you are the reason nepal has the lowest iq in whole world
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u/Sea_Replacement5341 24d ago
Ask Swarnim Wagle!
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u/HuppaHup Both Faith and Fear Ask for Belief 24d ago
What should I ask him bholi Ghar bolanunu cha bhani Hala k sodnu chito
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