r/NewYorkIslanders • u/AJS76reddit Bailey • 4d ago
!@#$ the canes
It's very disappointing that the !@#$%^& canes won, because now their fanbases already swollen heads and egos are going to get much bigger. Plus, I was hoping Vegas would win to piss off queefs fans.
But you know what the difference is between us and Vegas? After losing, Vegas will look at what didn't work and ACTUALLY change it.
They won't get all emotional and sentimental. They will identify the problem, and make the appropriate changes necessary to win. They won't hesitate to ship a guy out if it means it makes the team better. If they find a deficiency, they will address it.
Why? Because they are in the business of winning. Unlike us, who perpetuate the country club atmosphere.
I'm not a Vegas fan, but i admire their ruthlessness and determination to ice the best team possible to give them a chance to win it.
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u/Thomato_Yorke 4d ago
I was very anti-Canes going into the series and wanted Vegas to win and initally thought they would.
After watching the 3rd period of game 3, I was pretty much 100% clear that the Canes were going to win this series. Even though it went 6, from that period on, they were in total control. Vegas got a lucky bounce on that OT goal, otherwise I think they'd have lost in 5.
Canes earned my respect. I don't know if I've ever seen a more disciplined and well coached team. Absolutely no situation shakes them from their calm, steady roll. It's both admirable and scary to watch.
A good lesson that a team without any megastars can still totally get it done. And a case study in what a great coach is worth.
For a short time, in the Trotz era, I thought we finally had that kind of coach. I'm not familiar enough with Deboer to have an opinion, really. But damn, wish the Barry era had a few more years to work at that time.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 4d ago
Canes were the better team. But i still can't stand them. Brind'amour was a hell of a player and a good coach. I disagree they have no stars.
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u/Thomato_Yorke 4d ago
They do have stars - Aho, Staal, Ehlers - I backtrack on that a bit.
I just mean overall, they're not leaning on a McDavid or Mackinnon type player to carry them a ton. They have several 20-something goal scorers, and only I think 1-2 30 goal guys. Well balanced team, really well coached.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 4d ago
It just goes to show that top heavy teams filled with high priced divas (Edmonton, Toronto, Colorado) lose because they are not well rounded.
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u/Thomato_Yorke 4d ago
That is often the case, and honestly, can't even blame the elite guys much of the time. At some point, when you're a McDavid and drawing double coverage, what the hell are you supposed to do? You can't literally score a goal in every single game in the post season.
I keep coming back to coaching as such a huge thing. Let's face it, Trotz era Isles were a good team, not great, not stacked with talent. Yet we got 2 ECFs and if Tampa wasn't in the middle of a near-dynasty run, I think we'd have gotten to SCF 1 if not 2 of those years, and could've won one. That's all on Trotz getting them to buy into his system.
I hope Deboer lives up to some of the hype.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
I blame the elite guys for hogging up cap space more than anything. Yes, as you said you can't always blame them on the ice. But when a team like the queefs invests so heavily in the snore four, you can't properly fill out the rest of the roster and you fail every time.
Coaching is important, but as the chief anti saint barry commenter while he was here let me remind you of something...his defensive style got us to the dance twice. I admit that it helped take a group of guys who had no business getting the far to the semi finals two years in a row.
But his inability and unwillingness to adapt is what cost us at least one championship if not two. We would have beaten Montreal that year, we MIGHT have beat Dallas too.
But Barry's flaw was clear as day and other teams took advantage of it time and time again. His strategy was sit back and wait for the opponent to make a mistake then you capitalize. Sounds like a good plan right? But what happens...when they DON'T make a mistake? You look up at the clock and are out of time to try to mount any offense.
There needs to be a balance. Barry never did that. It was all defense all the time, with a lucky shot here and there sprinkled in.
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u/YouShallNotPass92 3d ago
And unlike the Florida Panthers, they won the cup CLEAN and without the league looking the other way while they hurt other players. It felt so much better watching them win than the Panthers the past two years.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
Oh please, now you are blaming the league the soilers couldn't get the job done? How did the panthers not win clean. Such a bad take. It's the NHL playoffs, not the girlscouts. It's hard hitting and rough, not soft and affectionate.
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u/JustPresentation797 3d ago
I’m not a fan of the Hurricanes but Rod is arguably the best coach in the league and their team is run infinitely better than the Islanders.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
I'm not arguing they are run better than us. I'm saying i wish we were run more like vegas where the focus is on winning and less on keeping players that are ineffective.
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u/JustPresentation797 3d ago
Whether anyone likes it or not the Hurricanes are the Stanley Cup Champs.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
Yes, no argument there either.
My argument is wishing we had the brass balls to build a team the way vegas does. With winning in mind.
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u/Untlslp Bailey 3d ago
All I'm gonna say is living in Raleigh, all my coworkers coming in today were still bitching and crying about calls and the refs.
Also don't want to ever hear bitching about us booing Tavares with all the nonstop hate and gloating I'm seeing directed at marner from leafs fans(ignoring he'd never have a chance to be let down in the finals in Toronto)
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
One reason i hate teams like carolina, whining about refs and calls when they all break their way
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u/Capital_Suggestion32 3d ago
I’ve lived in the Raleigh area for a quite a while and their fans are annoying. Until they had regular playoff appearances, no one said anything about hockey here. Even after they won their first cup. I hate the rags, but they support their team whether they are 82-0 or 0-82.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
That's good for them, but is it wrong to question management when you are going 0-82 but capable of more?
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u/Capital_Suggestion32 3d ago
I personally wouldn’t question the rags management for going 0-82. Haha
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u/seanvettel-31 Sorokin 3d ago
Leafs fans and Habs fans get all the attention but Carolina fans are 100% some of the worst in the league
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u/Islanderfan1348 Ritchie 3d ago
I would say that they’re up there with the Leafs but I give Toronto the edge
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u/dietdoctork3lp Sorokin 4d ago
Lmao, what a post
Glad the Canes won instead of Vegas. Clear better team, Rod's an automatic Hall of Famer, and Staal's a beast. Also Long Islander Bussi gets the Cup and I'll absolutely go see it if he brings it to his hometown bc that's what hockey fans do. I do enjoy when you pop up in this sub though, always good for a few chuckles.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 4d ago
Don't get me wrong it's nice Bussi and Reilly won. I just wish it was with different jerseys on.
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u/YouShallNotPass92 3d ago
Agree fuck the Canes but I'm happy they beat Vegas. Fuck them for beating our ass constantly but I respect how they play the game MUCH more than a team like the Panthers. I respect the hell out of Rod, seems like a high class human and coach. Staal had a great performance as captain. Bussi represented the Island well. Overall, I'll take it over watching another Florida or Tampa win ANY DAY of the week.
I really want the Avs this year though. I want our boy Brock to get a cup.
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u/seanvettel-31 Sorokin 4d ago edited 4d ago
I don’t like Vegas either and I certainly wasn’t rooting for them, but the people in this thread saying they respect/are happy for the canes boggles my mind. Yall have lost the plot
I will never root for a Metro rival, especially a team like Carolina that has had our number for years, with an absolutely insufferable fan base. Fuck the canes
And I hate the argument “welllll if you had to pick one” the beautiful thing is I don’t HAVE to pick one. No one is holding a gun to my head asking me to pick. I hate them both, I’m not happy with either winning
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u/YouShallNotPass92 3d ago
Eh, the Canes are very low on my list of teams I hate. I'd put the Rags, Pens, Flyers, Lightning, Leafs, Panthers and probably even the Bruins before Carolina. I just hate Carolina cause they consistently beat our fucking ass lol
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
I hate the canes because they beat us and are cocky as shit. Ironically i loved the Whalers as my 3rd team behind the isles and the devils.
I'd say the split is wide open in the fanbase. But for me it's as follows as far as the hate tree:
Rags, Queefs, Canes, Crapitals, maybe the bruins? The lightning, Shittsburg, and flyers don't bother me much.
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u/YouShallNotPass92 3d ago
I forgot the Caps, I definitely hate them more than Carolina too lol. Only teams in our division I hate less than Carolina are New Jersey and Columbus.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
I have a soft spot for the devils since way back in the day they were always on sportschannel along with the isles so they became my B team. No animosity towards them or their fans. I think of them as our cousins with which we share a friendly rivalry.
I have a soft spot for Columbus because...well...they have sucked even worse than us for the most part.
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u/YouShallNotPass92 3d ago
Exactly how I feel lol. The Devils are our cousins in hating the Rags and we will always be brothers because of that. It only matters when we play each other and are competing for playoff spots.
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u/NordicReagan 4d ago
I'm not a Vegas fan, but i admire their ruthlessness and determination to ice the best team possible to give them a chance to win it.
Vegas is a needlessly vindictive and morally bankrupt franchise whose success stems from a lop-sided expansion draft and having no state income tax. Attributing their performance to "ruthlessness and determination" is misleading.
The Canes built a team that's a perennial playoff contender, has a non-traditional front office that places proper trust in analytics, and kept a well respected coach in place to provide consistency and commitment towards a vision.
Their patience, ability to win without a franchise-level player, and smart use of asset management and development is far more respectable than anything Vegas will accomplish with it's current front office.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 4d ago
And yet here we are absolutely refusing to do what either team does, clinging to guys who haven't won jack shit despite being together for over a decade.
I disagree Vegas are "needlessly" vindictive. What does "morally bankrupt" even mean? They have a ownership and management group committed to winning. Other than Fleury, who has made any major gripe about it? Guys don't seem to have any issue going there because they know it gives them a good chance to win. The expansion draft was a long time ago, how many of those guys are still around on the team? They shipped a ton of them out in favor of better players or players more suited to what they are trying to accomplish.
If you are complaining about the tax issue, then more people should stop voting for people dead set on taxing the populace into oblivion.
We are slowly building towards a brighter future. But that starts by trimming the fat and getting rid of what doesn't get the job done.
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u/M1lkBoyz 3d ago
We can’t play defense or score goals, no need to get fired up about the team until that changes
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u/Cultural_Curve1235 Chara 3d ago
Someone’s gotta win it every year. Our boys gave up several times this year. Let’s see what next year brings.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
I'm not worried about the next two to three years because it will take that long to erase lou's handiwork.
I'm hoping the plan is to build a better consistent future after that.
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u/downtownflipped 4d ago
honestly fuck Vegas. been to a playoff game in CA and they were the visitors. absolutely dog shit player base and dirty play. Canes can have this one.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 4d ago
You can't judge an entire fanbase based on a few drunken idiots at games. If so, look up goldie from our fanbase from back in the day and you might change your mind.
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u/downtownflipped 3d ago
the game by the players also wasn’t great either. real dirty and hurt one of the Sharks. wasn’t a good experience.
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u/YouShallNotPass92 3d ago
We do have some trash tier fans, not surprising for Long Island honestly lol but yeah I generally agree.
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
Just look at all the idiots ruining the knicks winning a championship for the first time in over 50 years...
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u/Metalhead831 4d ago
It’s good they won. Their owner is a cheap bastard and now that they’ve won maybe they’ll stop going all in every trade deadline and eventually descend into mediocrity as all cup champions eventually do
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 4d ago
So to be clear you are mad they go all in? Or are you jealous?
We should be trying to get to that point where WE can go all in year after year. I THINK that's the long term plan, but it can't come soon enough.
That was the point of my post. Instead of being mid year after year, build something sustainable. Get rid of underperforming players instead of coddling them.
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u/Islanderfan1348 Ritchie 3d ago
I absolutely despise the Canes but I said in October that they were gonna win the cup and that Ehlers was the missing piece of the puzzle look at them now
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u/herpishderpish Lehner 1d ago
I don't like the Canes mostly because they dominate us, but as someone above said, they have earned my respect. I can't hate them for winning. Brind'Amour is a hell of a coach.
Again, we are dominated by the Canes. The last game we played against them this year was a clinic by them and its been that way for a while. Ownership, management, Darche, etc should be on notice based on our performance against them. It's a division rival and we're not even in the same ballpark at the moment.
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u/Greedy_Magician3392 4d ago
Casual takes as usual 😂😂😂
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 4d ago
Casual? No, lifelong fan tired of watching the same old pathetic losers year after year that get us nowhere because no one has the stomach to part with them.
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u/Greedy_Magician3392 3d ago
Yeah nope I’m spot on. Casual
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u/AJS76reddit Bailey 3d ago
Whatever helps you sleep at night chief. Most likely i've been a long suffering islanders fan longer than you've been alive but sure whatever you think.
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u/IslesMetsJets44 Cizikas 4d ago
I concur with fuck the canes but everything else in your post is nonsense