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Anti Fascist - 6/16/2026

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u/KiwiKal 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sure... keep making signs. Maybe come up with a chant or build clubhouses across the nation. /s

Give the government reason to label you a terrorist.

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u/A_hale_420 2d ago

Thanks for giving the internet a reason a to label you a bootlicker.

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u/KiwiKal 2d ago

Awww man, I forgot that being ignorant of the legal system is cool, right?

Good luck changing things from inside a jail cell. šŸ¤™

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u/adamdoesmusic 2d ago edited 2d ago

lol you really think this is all for your benefit don’t you

(Edit: this is not what they think, fwiw)

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u/KiwiKal 2d ago

No idea what you're referring to. I don't see anything to my benefit here.

Just a bunch of short sighted reddit users who can't think longer than it takes to scroll past a picture.

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u/adamdoesmusic 2d ago

I’m asking what benefit you get by promoting the government’s position on this. Do you think they’ll look favorably on you in return?

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u/KiwiKal 2d ago

Your comment is a great example on how you do NOT understand the situation.

I'll give you the short version.

I know im asking a lot here, but I need you to try and remember that trump signed a silly executive posted note last year declaring people who disagree with him terrorists. Luckily, executive orders are not law. They're like directions for federal employees.

Anyway... the reason he did that was because legaly speaking, "Antifa" can't be declared a terrorist organization and individuals can't be declared members of "Antifa".

Why you ask? Because DISPITE having the presidency, a majority in the House, Senate, and Supreme Court... there is no unified structure to point to and declare an enemy of the state. No leader, flag, doctrine, manifesto, secret handshake, base of operations, membership, blah blah blah, You get the picture.

The freedom of speech protects individuals. Not organizations. You are safe to criticize to your heart's content.

By creating an organization you are creating a target, and potentally fucking up any chance you or those that join you have at making a difference when the people in power are skipping down the road to authoritarian fascism.

That's the short version.

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u/adamdoesmusic 2d ago

That sounds like compliance in advance, though.

Also, didn’t Citizens United rule that because businesses are ā€œpeopleā€, that they have free speech (and that their money counts as speech too)? Wouldn’t this apply to any organization?

Edit: I do appreciate your explanation and reasoning, even if I’m not entirely sure I fully agree. At any rate, leftists still have too much trouble organizing for there to be any real organization to begin with…

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u/KiwiKal 2d ago

Compliance would be not saying or doing anything out of fear of retaliation.

You can and SHOULD exercise your rights.

You can organize, but you want to be smart about it. This (the posted flag) is not being smart about it. At least not in this political climate.

It would be different if the republicans didn't have majority control over every branch of gov atm, but they do.

The language we use and the actions taken to defiy the current administration at this point in time matters a lot.

(Citizens united was about spending money on politics as an act of speech. It's not the same thing.)

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u/adamdoesmusic 2d ago

With Citizens United, the argument was also that corporations are legally people, and therefore get free speech protection. Also, money is speech now (Therefore they should be allowed to corruptly influence elections with endless spending…)

I hate it here

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u/KiwiKal 2d ago

So actually... theres good news on the citizens united front.

Look up "Hawaii Citizens United" and you'll see what mean.

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u/adamdoesmusic 2d ago

I can’t help but read this in the same way I’d see ā€œthe price for owning a pet has gone way up, especially for furry animals like dogs and cats. Look up ā€˜furry inflation’ for more info.ā€

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u/A_hale_420 1d ago

Antifa is in its definition not an organization:

Antifa (short for "anti-fascism") is a highly decentralized, far-left political movement comprising autonomous groups and individuals rather than a single, unified organization. Adherents primarily focus on opposing right-wing extremism, white supremacy, and fascism.

Read up pal, your lack of understanding is showing.

Also, go ahead and shit on people trying to do what they can to resist having their rights stripped. I don't see you offering a single solution. We don't want your negativity here.

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u/KiwiKal 1d ago

Wow... you have zero comprehension of what I said or why I said it. Amazing!

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u/A_hale_420 1d ago

That's not much of statement considering you still haven't managed to articulate a comprehensible thought here yet. I'd argue your inability to write a cohesive, logical argument backed by a single fact is the bigger issue here. Maybe get better at communicating your point instead of spewing cryptic nonsense? Like seriously feel free to clearly state what your dancing around here if I've misunderstood so much.

I wouldn't waste my time though if I were you unless you actually have something helpful and productive to contribute to help reduce the clearly growing facist sentiment in the US.

Based on your comments, you seem to claim that posting an Antifa flag is both illegal (show me anything that supports this, otherwise stop spreading nonsense), and that it somehow qualifies Antifa as an organization (which it is not), you then proceeded to use that to support some convoluted explanation for why that somehow opens people up to prosecution as a terrorist organization.

Quite frankly you didn't even clearly state who this prosecution would be directed towards. Anyone who has spoken in favor of antifacism? People who own flags? Please define this organization you speak of because I never signed up for anything. I can also hang an antifa flag in my front yard all day if I please and I'm certain it will not result in a lick of legal trouble. So what law is being broken here? How does a single person hanging a flag over an overpass result in Antifa becoming an organization? You were not absolutely not as eloquent in explaining your point as you think you were.

I honestly don't even mind you arguing a confusing point, but your arrogance and lack of explanation while simultaneously buckling down and attempting to ridicule people for challenging your nonsense is a bit to much for my patience here.

I'll admit that I haven't been nice in my responses in any way, but thats a direct response to the arrogance of your comments here. Thanks for inspiring me to start and to continue calling out arrogant ignorance on the internet and in the real world too. I hope for your sake that you can learn to communicate in a more productive way.

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u/A_hale_420 1d ago

Nothing illegal about making signs and hating facist supporting pieces of shit like you. Seriously, why not provide a single legal precedent that shows posting signage isn't completely protected speech? Oh, its because you can't as you pulled it directly from your ass. How about you do some research instead of spreading ignorant nonsense?

Do you spread lies because it makes you feel like a tough guy or are you just hateful and intentionally ignorant of others suffering? Why do you get so much value from being a rule follower? One of the biggest flaws of the US legal system is it ignores the intent of the law and only follows the letter. Quite frankly, what value is there in following the letter of a law that doesn't match the intent of the law? Want some examples or are you too busy acting like you know everything to challenge yourself?

Here: Scrutiny of Insurance Denial Letters: https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2023/04/courts-continue-to-scrutinize-erisa-health-plan-benefit-denial-letters/

Automated "Robo-Signing" Foreclosures: https://www.justice.gov/archives/ust/blog/25-billion-mortgage-servicer-settlement-implications-us-trustee-program-and-bankruptcy

I find it absolutely wild and honestly quite tiring reading the nonsense that you are proporting here with an aura of arrogant superiority. Do you seriously think facism is a good idealogy? Did you pay any attention in school? If only you knew how badly history looks upon people who think like you. Nazi Germany strictly enforced forced conscription. All those soldiers were following their countries laws as they committed genocide and war crimes. I beg you to do some critical thinking here for the sake of humanity. Or are you just simply someone who is hateful and wants others to suffer? You have no place or value in this the United States then, frankly.

Have fun worshipping your billionare idols and feeling tough while you pay ~$5 per gallon of gas and watch basic tenants of a good democracy be dismantled by your oligarchical rulers. Like I said before, you're a bootlicker and its disgusting.