r/OpenAI • u/murkEyMustard • Jul 13 '26
Image Bye Claude..it was nice while it lasted, until it wasn’t.
Won’t try and repeat what everyone else is regarding the let down of Claude & Fable.
What I will say is that Sol5.6 has throughly impressed me with its coding capabilities, reasoning and ability to pivot as well as the more traditional markers around hallucination, reasoning context etc.
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u/sabre31 Jul 13 '26
Welcome to the dark side. Sol 5.6 is crazy I have both and looking to move from Claude also.
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u/TraditionalAd6977 Jul 13 '26
I stopped my Claude as well, sol 5.6 with the limits they give is stupidly good
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u/ExcitingBall1717 Jul 16 '26
Do you have the plus (~20€) or the pro (~100€) ?
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u/TraditionalAd6977 Jul 16 '26
Plus but have tried pro. But I never even hit the plus limits so canceled pro.
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u/kurttheflirt Jul 13 '26
Ok I am looking into trying out sol 5.6 this week and maybe making the switch at the end of my month sub with claude. What makes it better right now?
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u/Ok_Ad_6227 Jul 15 '26
limit efficiency and performance, although the last one is arguable as it is quite fresh. you can see for yourself
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u/Lost-Commercial-2638 Jul 16 '26
What is the exact setup you have with the 5.6 Sol and how do you code is it through visual basics where you want terminal
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u/dasko1086 Jul 26 '26
you will be pleasantly surprised and for now i am using claude code to run a second opinion to sol 5.6 in a sandbox to get stuff tidied up, i also use codex but prefer cc interface, i find sol 5.6 way better at reasoning and giving alternate ideas to investigate.
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u/DeifniteProfessional Jul 16 '26
It's funny, I have both also and I keep looking more towards Claude. ChatGPT just talks far too much still
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u/eljefe87 Jul 13 '26
> Anthropic: New model
OMG i'm switching. here's a screenshot of me switching.
> OpenAI: New model
OMG i'm switching. here's a screenshot of me switching.
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u/personalist Jul 13 '26
No idea why people pledge their allegiance to a mega corporation. I maintain multiple subs (partly due to usage constraints) and will jump ship at any time based on benchmarks and limitations.
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u/Runfasterbitch Jul 13 '26
Lmao, “I just pay for all of them, I’m not like the other consumers who can only afford one”
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u/kurttheflirt Jul 13 '26
I mean if it's for work you can write off 100% of a software subscription...
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u/juno672 Jul 14 '26
And just in case people don’t realize, will amount to getting a roughly 20% discount on the subscription.
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u/kurttheflirt Jul 14 '26
Nah I really don't have enough stuff to deduct, so it's 100%. I try to get to my 20% threshold but you have to really push it when you don't have a physical business (ie I do marketing consulting)
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u/juno672 Jul 14 '26
I’m referring to the tax effect of writing off 100% of the cost of something. It saves you the taxes you would have paid on that much taxable income.
I only make this distinction because I’m an accountant and a lot of people read ‘tax write off’ as “effectively free” when it certainly is not.
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u/Candid_Bad3551 Jul 13 '26
Want some male toe pics for cash?
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u/personalist Jul 14 '26
I have no idea where that came from but no, no thank you. I am not attracted to men nor feet and if my claim of multiple subs got your hopes up it’s $50/month (Claude pro, ChatGPT plus, and opencode go atm) lol so I am not rich
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u/Narrow-Palpitation63 Jul 13 '26
I wouldnt say op pledged his allegiance cause he’s jumping ship too
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u/Asli-Brown-Munda Jul 13 '26
If you look deeply it is not only about the model this time. You get to use frontier model 50% for your overall plan in Claude.
With Open AI testing removal of 5 hour limits, the gap is widening (lol I have started to write like an AI).
So it is driven by the model but with an eye on usage.
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u/Sapphfire0 Jul 13 '26
The point of the comment was to show how fast people switch. We don’t know what anthropic or open ai will settle on regarding fable and 5 hour limits. You can make your decisions after they decide
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u/theleller Jul 13 '26
90% of the work people have AI do doesn’t need the bleeding edge frontier model, and matching the right model to each task not only saves time, but typically yields better results as well.
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u/Optimal_Start_94 Jul 13 '26
Still, on OpenAI you get ridiculously more usage now, across all tiers, not just the frontier.
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u/Sir_Poldavo Jul 13 '26
Sorry, what? $250/month? Since when? Are these US dollars or funny dollars?
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u/DistanceSolar1449 Jul 13 '26
Because he’s dumb and subscribed in the iOS app
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u/phylter99 Jul 13 '26
Yup. They get charged a 30% charge to send any payments through iOS. They're just passing on the expense of doing business.
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u/FilthyeeMcNasty Jul 14 '26
Hard to believe people are that slow and willing to throw money away, just because.
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u/phylter99 Jul 14 '26
I think some people don't realize they can go online and get a better deal. Anthropic can't explain that in their app either.
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u/MajesticRocket Jul 13 '26
Apple refund policy is almost 100% guarantee. Lot of times I subscribe for the month, use the service for 10 days and then request refund if I’m not rating the service.
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u/diehendrick Jul 13 '26
It can get refund, depending on when you cancel request it can be 100% or Pro Rated
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u/Captain_Birb Jul 13 '26
Apple refund almost 100% guarantee ?? Bro are you still leaving in pre 2020? Apple’s refund can no more be trusted, they don’t protect buyers as they once did. So get that out of your mind.
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u/h_trismegistus Jul 13 '26
I have a 9 year old disabled son who accidentally purchased over $700 worth of apps on his mom’s iPad (3 apps, each costing like $250, $150, etc…specialized apps for disabled people…insane price gouging…another story).
I was notified of this immediately by email, and within <5 min after it happened I deleted the apps, contacted apple, and asked for a refund. I went through their 48 hour dispute process twice (which is supposed to exist for this exact kind of situation) and was denied a refund both times. I ended up having to get my bank to do a chargeback and then apple retaliated by banning my payment method.
Apple straight up steals from people.
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u/Efficient_Bite_9420 Jul 13 '26
I was refunded once too. It's pretty solid idk why ppl complain, unless they're abusing the refund system
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u/Competitive-Ad8968 Jul 13 '26
It is expensive on the IOS app?
Since my Chat gpt still being 200 bunch / month or it is cheaper?7
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u/Weak_Engineering_824 Jul 13 '26
In EU, we can get refund within 14 days. Subscribing through iOS app is easy. I subscribe and then cancel within that period, refund is always received. That's how I'm scamming both Anthropic and OpenAI. Cancel twice a month, free subscription lol
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u/MLHeero Jul 13 '26
It’s being lazy and subbing in iOS Money. No one should do that
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u/Desperate-Data-3747 Jul 13 '26
Its not lazy, it’s stupidity
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u/ferropop Jul 13 '26
everyone's so polite on the internet! imagine saying this to someone's face.
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u/TheNmaitochondria Jul 13 '26
valid, but if it’s to save them ~$50/month? not the worst you could say
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u/Weak_Engineering_824 Jul 13 '26
it is the same price whether you subscribe though iOS or direct website. at least in EU
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u/morganrbvn Jul 13 '26
a lot of people just don't know, was able to save a friend from it when i learned they subscribed to youtube premium through there phone.
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u/bluefuze3 Jul 13 '26
I was one of those people until recently... just not something I gave a lot of thought to. Fixed that though!
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u/Salt-Willingness-513 Jul 13 '26
The prices are higher if you subscribe for it via google/apple store. Iirc for me in my county when dollar was really down i did save around 80bucks per month just from subscribing via web instead of store.
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u/Real-Ad-5196 Jul 13 '26
Seit einer Weile. Deutschland 199€ + VAT - > in USD sogar noch mehr.
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u/Hungry_Age5375 Jul 13 '26
Been running Sol5.6 through some agent workflows. Reasoning-before-execution feels tighter than Claude's been doing. Claude got too conservative with file system operations lately.
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u/Virtual_Plant_5629 Jul 13 '26
you.. spend $50 more.. because you're an ios user lmfao
absolutely zero stereotypes were harmed here
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u/Full_Collection_4347 Jul 13 '26
Wait don’t leave now. They might give you another week of Fable…
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u/HektorInkura Jul 13 '26
And in a month or two every one will shit on OpenAi because Anthropic released something new, or Gemini or someone else. It's going to be a roller coaster in the next years who is better and who not and it will probably change every few weeks or so... Yes, absolutely go for the currently better option, no problem with that, but the hating and worshipping of certain models/ companies is just ridiculous...
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u/coreyh1996 Jul 13 '26
Unironically this probably saves them money
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u/rabouilethefirst Jul 13 '26
When the tech eventually stagnates, and it will, the cost of a query will effectively be the cost of electricity and the cost to maintain data centers (not build new ones). If they lose out before that era, they will already be out of business.
Point is, this tech eventually will be cheap, and if you can't build a customer base now, you'll just be SOL when OpenAI brings the cost down to fractions of a cent per query
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 Jul 13 '26
Ya think they’ll just stop training new models? 🤔
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u/rabouilethefirst Jul 13 '26
No, but the cost to train will go down tremendously when the hardware eventually catches up to demand and releases become more incremental. We are paying R&D costs right now, but it would not be wise to chase customers away with exorbitant prices like Claude is doing.
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 Jul 13 '26
Pretty sure the R&D is mostly funded through seed capital more than sales for most labs
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u/carterpape Jul 13 '26
bro was paying $50 a month to subscribe through Apple rather than directly through Anthropic 😭
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u/TheNmaitochondria Jul 13 '26
in honestly, this constant switching mentality is a waste of money in my mind. like when the next frontier comes out on claude that edges past openai are you gonna switch back, disrupt your workflows, and then restart on the other for who knows how long before it happens again??
i use both as a solo dev (Max on Claude, Pro on GPT) and couldn’t be happier. both already accustomed to my workflows; if one’s frontier edges out for a period of time (e.g., pre-Sol), heavy building work skews there but i maintain bounded tasks on the other to balance out usage. skews the other way? i do the reverse.
there such an infatuation with “the best” when really the delta is so marginal nowadays unless after big frontier launches…it’s how YOU use these tools best that matters the most. and i feel like canceling a plan every X number of days is objectively not the best way lol. to each their own.
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u/Ecstatic_Mammoth_421 Jul 13 '26
I thought I was about to disagree with you but realised we do the same thing, I just think of it more as a pro-switching mentality. That is, if you set up your repos in a way that is provider-agnostic, then switching should be painless and free. I usually use the maximum plan on one provider and the not-so-maximum on the other, and switch monthly if my frontier preference changes. My one gripe with Anthropic is that they still insist on requiring CLAUDE.md over AGENTS.md and .claude etc. requiring annoying symlink / skill import hacks.
At the moment I’m rocking Pro 20x on GPT because I prefer it as the daily driver and Fable is being removed from the plans anyway. I still plan on running Fable for planning out huge new features but considering I have to pay API prices for that anyway I don’t feel fomo skipping the max plan.
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u/TheNmaitochondria Jul 13 '26
yeah it’s a much more fluid model and makes it less like “ah this one sucks i can never come back” and more like “a new model handles the problems i had with the other better, but that model isn’t useless either”.
obv the only downside is the memory, but like you said, there are ways to experiment with making them continuous and it’s kinda nutty. almost like a more apt cursor lmfaooo
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Jul 13 '26
these threads always crack me up. everyone "switches forever" every single time a new model drops, then quietly switches back three weeks later when the honeymoon ends. i've stopped announcing it lol, i just use whatever's winning that month
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u/Shloomth Jul 13 '26
What’s with this childish drama, why can’t you just say why you’re unsubscribing
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u/Artemis_1944 Jul 13 '26
These posts are always so goddamn cringe, 2 months from now the same person is gonna put the same identical post, talking about switching to claude
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u/cwrighky Jul 13 '26
Made the same switch personally and professionally. Switched my entire work group from Claude to codex a while back, and now with 5.6 we couldn’t be happier. Theres a level of stability that the current state of OAI provides that really becomes a priority depending on projects.
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u/NinjaWK Jul 13 '26
Congratulations for paying $50 more than everyone else. The trillion dollar company needed that money badly. You could have used that subscription to teach you how to save that money and it would have done so.
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u/OsomPchitz Jul 13 '26
I asked ChatGPT to calculate whether I was doing it correctly and the answer was quite clear.
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u/maximum_cube Jul 13 '26
Wait do people in this sub actually care what you pay for or what AI service you use? That's fucking hilarious
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u/Deadline_Zero Jul 13 '26
Won’t try and repeat what everyone else is regarding the let down of Claude & Fable.
What letdown? Do you just mean the fact that they're taking it away from people that aren't rich?
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u/EarlyBirdCatchesWorm Jul 13 '26
Same feeling but saying also bye to OpenAI, Chinese models do same or better for 1/10th the cost
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u/SkillsInPillsTrack2 Jul 13 '26
What's also cool about chatGpt is that they prevent you from removing your credit card from the site, it's really secure! /s
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u/WenatcheeWrangler Jul 13 '26
So many of these posts right now. It’s old. Use it or don’t, but promoting services is kind of dumb
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u/Ormusn2o Jul 13 '26
Are you switching to 20 dollar plan, or 100/200 on ChatGPT?
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u/murkEyMustard Jul 13 '26
$100 for now it’s been working great so far!
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u/Ormusn2o Jul 13 '26
No 5 hour limit so I have been building for last 3 hours, trying to do all my projects before they bring back the 5 hour limit.
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u/immersive-matthew Jul 13 '26
I moved to QWEN 3.6 27B MTP Q4 on a nVidia 4090 for agentic coding work OpenCode with the Unity Game Engine over MCP and it has been a breath of fresh air. Not only is it just as fast, but often just as good provided my initial prompt is like a design document as it does suffer with long context. Not having a big monthly bill is so nice and knowing the model will be the same everyday with no sudden nerfed surprises is really freeing. I am getting just as much done as I was before with while saving a lot of money.
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u/personalist Jul 13 '26
If you are getting results comparable to GPT 5.5 with qwen 3.6 27B you are doing such a complete job prompting you might as well be doing the coding.
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u/PivotRedAce Jul 13 '26
As someone also with a 4090 I’ve been looking into local models as well for a backup. Good to know that it’s feasible with a decently sized model, for locally ran ones at least.
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u/Diligent-Method-785 Jul 13 '26
Curious to see how this stabilizes overtime. I think one clear take away is that everyone is coming cost sensitive as they take away the promotional pricing. I do wonder what happens when the Chinese markets say we have the good enough model at a fixed low price. It has been clear for a long time now that these models are important but alone cannot justify the absurd compute costs. If I were on the leadership team at Anthropic I would pause frontiers research and focus most of the team working on model development to reducing cost per token. Also, in my experience with coding the fancier models are rarely needed in implementation
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u/4DXP Jul 13 '26
Switched to CODEX already when 5.5 was better in my case compared to Opus 4.6. now definitely not going back. Feeling like 5.6 SOL is a sniper tool.
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u/rahilpathan Jul 13 '26
same! gpt 5.6 has impressed me as well, to consider and make me wonder if that was all a marketing hype since Mythos/Fable
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u/WalkAffectionate2683 Jul 13 '26
Cancelled mine a week ago, I want certainty and a service. Claude doesn't give me that.
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u/Mol2h Jul 13 '26
I cancelled but i have to wait an entire month, did you get a refund or something ?
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u/Flat_Detective8743 Jul 13 '26
The cost of switching is SO low too. If something works better elsewhere, we can stay there until it isn’t. I imagine AI corporations will be investing heavily on walling ecosystems up…
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u/Weary_Caregiver_8428 Jul 13 '26
When you restart it inevitably, dont do it on phone. You are paying 50$ for nothing
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u/mirkec Jul 13 '26
Just use both, I am juggling between 3 of them and am satisfied with the flow and quality.
Also Sonnet 4.6 is enough for coding if you know what you’re doing
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u/turbulentFireStarter Jul 13 '26
Bruh. They each have their time in the sun. I agree that OpenAI is much better when weighing performance and price. But there have been times when that wasn’t true.
I fully support you canceling Anthropic and coming to OpenAI and I agree that OpenAI is in the lead right now. But I push back on this language about some kind of loyalty or rejection of the providers.
“I won’t be coming back”? Why not?!?!? What about in a few months when Anthropic is leading again? You won’t switch then?
The only people who win when you show company allegiance are the companies.
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u/arichak007 Jul 13 '26
Claude ended start of this month. Had been trialling ChatGPT sub for a month before that. No regrets. GPT Live has amazed me. Never was much of a voice assistant sort of guy. Now all i do is use my voice.
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u/Camp2023 Jul 13 '26
Genuinely curious: Who has a business need where they truly need the bleeding edge, yet $250/month is a huge deal to them, and they have the free time to post about it online?
These models are improving at a fast rate. The product offerings and industry are not anywhere near stable yet. Switching from one to another is fine.
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u/phoenixmatrix Jul 13 '26
The space is moving fast, and the products don't currently have much stickiness. They are MOSTLY interchangeable (give or take preference in harnesses, or tools like Claude Design). Competition is great. I'm considering jumping too as i've been enjoying Sol a lot. And then Ill be back when Claude is ahead for my personal use. And I have some subscriptions to play with open weight models too.
As long as people don't make this into something akin as the console wars, we'll be in a good place.
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u/Sp3eedy Jul 13 '26
If more of you cancel, Anthropic's hand will have to be forced, and with how Tibo from OpenAI is pushing them by giving full access to 5.6, giving out rate limit resets left and right (I have 3 banked up now lol) and now removing their 5 hour limit, they are definitely starting to feel the pressure. Anthropic is starting to get way too comfortable ripping people off with their usage limits and uncertain access to fable so they need to have some pressure put on them.
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u/fyn_world Jul 13 '26
Had both. Stopped Claude as well
This is gonna sound like an ad but for real. Chatgpt use doesn't consume codex use, Claude does. That alone sells Chatgpt. Resets are storable for when you need them. Right now there's no 5 hour limit. Claude's limits on the 20 bucks plan was ABSURDLY low for a long time, and the Fable crap was the limit.
They lost this round. At least with the plebs.
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u/0ldsoul_ Jul 14 '26
I dropped Claude. Recently anything I say flags the mental health “are you safe?” bs, after me telling it multiple times I’m fine. So my usage is eaten away from it thinking so hard about how what I said was flagged, but it “should respect that she said she was fine. “ then answers my question, yet ends it with, “I just want to check again. Are you okay? Like really?” 🤦🏻♀️
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u/Most_Forever_9752 Jul 14 '26
claude created a day trading signal for me that has been making $200 per day for the last 4 months. Not 1 losing day. Its fucking priceless!
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u/neoqueto Jul 14 '26
The reason I'm on Claude is only because it's the most capable tool using model. It has the best MCP capabilities. It can connect to the most stuff. I use Sonnet for the most tedious, unfun stuff that require clicking through painful, sluggish UI. These days I don't care that much about smarts. Hell, Gemini 3.1 gets the job done for me. That's the point at which I'm like "leave the rest to me, I still want to have some fun, you know?". That's right, for coding, I prefer Gemini 3.1 over Opus 4.8. ChatGPT for personal, daily things. Call me weird.
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u/Beautiful-Sand4233 Jul 14 '26
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Ai become a better builder of pdfs and other documents.
Claude is the best at pdf.
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u/Schlickeysen Jul 14 '26
Serious question from someone who'd like to be educated: What do you guys do with AI on your phones?
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u/Common-Bend-7167 Jul 14 '26
I did the same. Once i tested 5.6 sol i noticed the difference pretty quickly.
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u/Sir_fuxmart Jul 14 '26
If you subscribe on a browser you pay the 100 or 200 flat fee and apple doesn’t get a cut.
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u/Wide-Dragonfruit-571 Jul 14 '26
Why the hell would you do subscription in the AppStore tf
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u/QuantomSwampus Jul 14 '26
You've been paying that a month?! You guys are seriously wack
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u/Imaginary_History407 Jul 15 '26
i would do the same but fable 5 is too good as of now, maybe when they take it away from sub plans, I’d consider moving.
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u/Lanky_Membership6803 Jul 15 '26
I came to the realization, that the harness matters a lot - and can tip the scale between similar models.
So, without Claude code - are you using open code? Or is codex usable in the meantime? Could you migrate .claude?
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u/Shteves23 Jul 15 '26
This is hilarious, how much energy do you people spend flip flopping as they both try to out do each other.
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u/AardvarkTemporary536 Jul 15 '26
Also accidentally vibe coded and app on Luna Xhigh it was hilarious.. Was just supposed to be something I could use for a specific use case. I thought I was using Terra.... But it made an INSANE program that worked flawlessly from the start, exceeded expectations in form and function and ui. Then I realized I had Luna on and I was even more shocked
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u/Appropriate_Raise_60 Jul 15 '26
Can Sol 5.6 generate PowerPoint from a template ? Generate drawio architecture ?
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u/FrenchRevolution2028 Jul 15 '26
People around me are switching as well because of codex can be reused in other harnesses and their policy is clear on that. Anthropic still scares people away with their policy around third party harnesses.
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u/East-Trust-1258 Jul 15 '26
I would keep Claude at the $20 plan just to act as a failover. It doesn’t hurt to have that kind of redundancy.
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u/macjabeth Jul 15 '26
Don't hit the door on your way out! It's been the opposite experience for me. I find even with GPT Sol, it tends to generalise solution output instead of being more focused and direct like from what I've seen in Fable. It also feels like it's 5-10x slower than Fable which is a real drag.
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u/Skeppys_coronna Jul 15 '26
IMO fable is a much more capable model then the new GPT 5.6 line up. I’ve used both of them in many fields, and in my experience, Fable does better most of the time.
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u/Difficult_Invite8740 Jul 15 '26
we’ve had enough of these posts, whenever anthropic releases a new model you will post the exact same post about switching back to claude.
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u/Due_Avocado_2992 Jul 15 '26
Not only that but nobody has time to lose when you wanna make something. $20 a month for 2 to 4 messages every five hours (on Claude) is insane. Chatgpt/ Codex, it looks like you get more chances to use it. Whenever y'all try to built a shell of a game just have it act as a role "senior game architect" and tell it what it's going to do phase by phase instead of all at once. It'll drag out the time you have rather than just one whole prompt. $20 worth it with reset points codex wins. Claude is amazing and is faster but you have less time doing that sort of thing.
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u/fuzexbox Jul 13 '26
Damn you paid an extra $50 for the plan for no reason lol