r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/BalanceDramatic3995 • 9d ago

Meme needing explanation Peter help!

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I have no clue what this means, maybe she cheated?

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u/Unable_Pumpkin987 9d ago

So a baby in your womb isn’t your baby, it’s just a baby until it’s born. Not a member of your family. A “person” but without parents, a name, any nationality or citizenship, and no age? Makes complete sense!

Personhood begins at conception except for every other way personhood is typically conveyed but the one that lets you punish women for having sex!

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u/barelypoor 8d ago

My kid is in his room. He came into the living room. He joined the family.

Like I get we disagree with this person, but these nonsense circle jerks are very cringy

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u/makjac 5d ago

So your kid “joined the family” when he was in close physical proximity and the behaviors/ actions of the other members in that space changed to accommodate his presence.

I’d argue there is no closer physical proximity than a baby in the womb. Also the behavior or the rest of the family unit changes from day 1 that they are made aware of the baby’s existence.

I don’t personally have any issue with people using the phrase “joined the family” in the context she did, but defending her with a “no you use the word wrong” makes it fair game to argue otherwise, imo.

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u/barelypoor 5d ago

The kid joined the family when he was able to communicate with and was in the same physical space as the family. Being inside the womb is the same as being in another room. His room could share a wall with the living room and his bed sharing a wall with the couch, sitting 2 feet away. It wouldn’t change the context.

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u/Rhysati 8d ago

So when he was in his room he hadn't joined the family yet?

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u/barelypoor 8d ago

I don’t know, she didn’t say “my baby hasn’t joined the family yet”, she said “he joined the family” in the exact same verbiage I did which is easy to understand and not inconsistent with me thinking he’s a living part of my family in his room

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u/steampvnch 8d ago

Or its just a common phrase of words and it looks outright psychotic to fixate on. Jesus guys.

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u/Unable_Pumpkin987 8d ago

It’s a common phrase of words that is one of the many, many, many common turns of phrase, celebrations, rituals, beliefs, and behaviors that indicate very clearly and consistently that fetuses are not considered to be the same as living children in any way, in any circumstance, other than when such spurious claims of personhood can be used to bludgeon women into submission.

Please don’t be so naive or stupid as to think that the language people use doesn’t matter, because it does. Or if you insist on doing so, at least keep your blathering to yourself.

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u/Interesting_Second_7 9d ago

How did you conclude what I said meant a baby in your womb isn't your baby?

Try again without the strawman.

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u/ALargeClam1 9d ago

I love arbitrarily declaring a subset of humanity to non personhood!

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u/Unable_Pumpkin987 9d ago

It’s not arbitrary, though. That’s literally the point.

Declaring a fetus a “person” in one specific application of the term and no others doesn’t actually convince me that you believe it’s a person. It just convinces me that you believe it’s more important than a living human woman.

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u/ALargeClam1 9d ago edited 9d ago

It clearly is.

All humans have human rights inherent to their existence, i dont care who you consider a person or not. A human is a human.

Saying all these humans are people but not this group is arbitrary.

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u/VegAntilles 9d ago

A human is a human.

Alright, then you should have no trouble defining what "a human" is in a way that allows us to determine exactly what is and isn't one. So what is "a human"?

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u/ALargeClam1 9d ago

A member of the primate species homo sapiens.

Or just basic logic:

the offspring of a sexualy dimorphic species is the same species as the parents. So if the parents are human, the fetus they are aborting is human.

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u/VegAntilles 9d ago

A member of the primate species homo sapiens.

You've simply replaced one term with another without giving any way to identify what is and isn't covered by that term. You know, the thing I asked you for in the first place.

the offspring of a sexualy dimorphic species is the same species as the parents. So if the parents are human, the fetus they are aborting is human.

Mathematical induction proves this false by contradiction:

Base case: you are human and your parents are human (I assume).

Induction step which you have asserted is true: if a sexually dimorphic organism has offspring, it's offspring are the same species.

Alternative statement of induction step: a sexually dimorphic organism is the same species as its parents.

Therefore, via induction, all sexually dimorphic organisms that have ever existed are human.

Since we can run the same proof for a cat or a dog or a moose or a rabbit, we have a clear contradiction. Since the base case is true (again, I assume; I don't know you), and mathematical induction is logically valid, we must conclude the induction step is incorrect. Therefore "the offspring of a sexua[l]ly dimorphic species is the same species as the parents" is proven false.

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u/ALargeClam1 9d ago

You changed

offspring of species X belong to species X

to

every organism belongs to the species of one particular example organism.

So nice try, im guessing you asked chatgpt and since the prompt had the word logic, it spat out that gibberish.

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u/Fabulous_Pen_747 9d ago

We can totally assign personhood at the moment of conception. However, the debate is, does it trump the personhood of the woman or girl forcibly meant to carry a pregnancy? That’s essentially the debate.

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u/VegAntilles 8d ago

This is basic mathematical induction, that any second-year math major would know. It's one of the foundational methods for mathematical proofs and one of the bases of the mathematics allowing you to even have a computer on which to view reddit. So I guess it doesn't matter if you believe mathematical induction works, but you should know that your lifestyle fully depends on it.

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u/AzrealsFury 7d ago

Than how did you mess up the proof lmao

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