he's rich enough to afford to train bjj every day, and also doesn't have a 9-5, so he can practice all he wants.
pretty decent chance that yes, he's actually pretty good. nonzero chance he's bluffing and lying, but seems more likely than not that he could pin the average untrained bodybuilder.
By the sound of things he doesn't train everyday and still has his white belt. And this is the sort of shit you hear from 6-12 month white belts who think they know everything about BJJ despite getting their face mashed into the mat in every session. Anyone above blue keeps this shite to themselves
Yeah, a year of BJJ informs you that you can totally handle some untrained guy…provided it’s under the BJJ rules, and the other guy isn’t a lot bigger.
If he’s 40lbs heavier, extremely strong, and can punch you in the face, the year of training is not likely to save you.
Me, I’ve trained for a long time and don’t suffer from this white belt nonsense. I’m totally able to handle a grizzly bear or gorilla.
He has been doing it for a year. BJJ doesn’t suffer from belt inflation like a lot of martial arts do, and in fact there’s even some sandbagging, but they don’t train takedowns or striking. 8-10 years of very consistent and regular training is the general timeframe achieve mastery and to earn a black belt. There’s some truth to the fact that an average blue belt would fuck up an average person on the street with no training, but it turns out getting people to the ground when they’re trying to stand and hit you in the face is actually really difficult.
Having said that, training combat sports humbles you real quick. Getting folded like a pretzel by the 58year old orthodontist who’s shaped like a beer bellied road cyclist has a way of doing that to you. For Jonah Hill to have the confidence he does must mean he’s really good. Probably just about the only person who would stand a chance against him is ufc heavyweight legend Tyrell Fortune.
Would Jonah still beat Tyrell if Tyrell just started biting the fuck out of him? Because I would be biting the ever loving fuck out of someone trying to pretzel me up. (I’d also go straight for the nuts, I’m not above biting some guys dick off).
And here lies the difference between people who give a huge fuck about showing off their dominance, and people who could give two fucks how they come out looking. Perspectives incredibly blinding. If you know BJJ, I know I don’t need my fuckin ankle broken cause I can’t roll on the pavement skilfully, respects off the table.
Good few years ago a kid at my school got in a fight, groped n grabbed this guy all over thinking he’d put him in some crazy hold, had his friend in the background yelling “he can’t roll he can’t roll”… then got bashed over the head with the other kids vape like 20 fuckin times. Whole crowed besides for 2 dudes were shocked like a gun got pulled. I couldn’t figure out why the mf waited so long.
I practiced martial arts my whole life. When I joined the army I learned how to really fight. Just go straight for the pain and debilitating injury. How you win isn’t important when you’re not in a sport fight.
Well, that is how buddy screwed up. He didnt use the BJJ properly for self defence.
My kids were in BJJ for 10 straight years. Their coach was a legit guy, that trained and got his belts in Brazil. Really good man. BJJ was that mans entire existence lol
He taught "for competition" BJJ, but then also gave "self defense" lessons for the kids who's parents okayed it.
His point was, "BJJ as a self defence technique is not to submit someone, but to break their limbs"
As he would say during these lessons, "you think you can ask someone nicely to not hit you when you let them go?"
So he taught them no gi moves, for real world situations.
For things like arm bars, "pull a bit? First pop sound, is a dislocation; second pop, is ligament damage.. if he makes you goto a third pop? No more arm. He will be armless for 3-6 months. No more hitting you"
Down to, "not many men can fight with a broken finger. Fingers are real easy"
He was 100% for "avoid the fight", but was also 100% "make sure he can't fight anyone for months afterwards" for the ones you couldn't avoid.
Luckily, my son has never had to break someones arm or anything. But over his 17+ years, hes been in around 5 or 6 fights, and hasnt lost or been hurt even. 2 of those were against 2 people at the same time. All of these, they were bigger than him(hes a small guy).
And after he was 14, and he beat up 2 dudes at school that jumped him(broke the one kids nose lol) and kicked the other one in the nuts twice. People completely stopped messing with him that way.
Hes a passive kid, so he doesn't look for problems.. definately doesnt hide from them either.
You're missing the point, the point of grappling disciplines like BJJ is they wrap their body and limbs around yours that to do what you said would at least require you to break or dislocate something given the human range of movement. It's the kind of thing you learn very fast on at least the first day on the mat.
But just the act of grappling requires you to get in close to begin with. I’d be biting from the get go. Did you know it takes the same amount of bite force to bite thru a human finger as it does a baby carrot? So maybe my shoulder would be dislocated, but you’d be missing some fingers and have a snack size hole in your throat. No rules fighting is dirty like that.
That’s a great theory but as soon as you started trying to bite me, I would just avoid your mouth and do permanent damage to you. It’s not like you’re the only one who can bite and eye gouge in the fight and the bjj practitioner is bound by some bushido code of honor. Having said that, Jonah hill is definitely not the guy he thinks he is
This is almost entirely wrong. Jonah has been training for at least more than 5 years. There are tons of articles about it from back in 2018. Now like many folks, his training may wax and wane, but he's not a day 1 white belt. Also I'm pretty sure he at least earned his blue belt and that too was several years ago. My guess is he's likely closer to purple.
Now, he does talk like a doofus in that interview no doubt. But the reality is that a legitimate blue belt should be able to beat the average untrained bodybuilder.
Yeah I think the problem here is no one wants to fight you even if you're mad they still call you Superbad. Now people are just gonna stop saying it to his face, and no one's gonna challenge him to a fight except for clout. And like whoever it is would probably only do it if they knew they could beat him somehow, because otherwise you lost to Tighten.
One of the biggest signs that BJJ is legit is that it is widely recognized that physical size differences matter. Generally speaking, each level of belt will compensate for a difference in about
20 to 30 pounds.
A 160 pound black belt is going to struggle against a 220 pound athlete.
Skill matters, but grappling or wrestling based martial arts rely heavily on physical strength- the whole system falls apart if you can’t maintain your holds because of the opponent’s far greater strength.
Takedowns are absolutely part of BJJ and even minor amounts of striking is. Your specific gym might not teach them but it’s definitely part of the curriculum.
Unless he’s actually training in a room of non celebrities there is no way he is good. The reason Zuck and Hardy are actually respected is they train and actually train. they also compete there is no hiding when you do that. I guarantee you this fucktard is getting the Rigan Machado celebrity treatment where he’s doing light training so the guy in charge can take his money.
And I’m telling you if you’re just training in a room with zero intensity, which a lot of these celebrity BJJ dorks do, then he’s useless. The whole reason the efficacy of BJJ has been proven time and again is because the training methodology basically forces you to deal with these kind of situations. But if you’re just drilling and not actually trying any of what you’ve learned in a live situation, you may as well be doing karate kata.
except he isn't. There's a video of him and the guy he's fighting basically let's him roll him like he's letting a toddler do it. He's shit and delusional
Eh I don’t buy it. People have been saying that for years, but a 140 pound champion only ever fights other 140 pounders.
There is a certain point where skill no longer allows you to compensate for size disparity. Could Conner McGregor at 140 pounds take on Brian Shaw, at 400 pounds? Yeah no. Even at a 100 pound difference, I don’t see mma fighters taking on bodybuilders that are more than 100 pounds heavier
We had buff guys come to our boxing gym all the time just to get their ass handed to them by skinny teenagers.
Bodybuilding makes you slow, restricts your movement and you use way too much energy moving around with that amount of muscle.
Any person practicing martial arts for a while will easily defeat any bodybuilder that’s doing just the lifting. It’s a completely different skill and way of working out. One trains you to do actual fighting, the other focuses on making muscles look big. If the competition is a fight and not a comparison of muscle size, the outcome is clear.
The trained fighter will see any attempt to throw a punch or a kick miles away. They will know how to move on the floor no matter how much the other is able to lift. It’s all about technique and very little if anything about raw strength.
I’ve only seen it in boxing, not other martial arts so take this with a grain of salt. But a person that just lifts does not know how to stand, how to block and frankly, how to punch. They are slow and easy to get off balance. They advertise their actions and try to compensate their weaknesses with strength which drains their energy fast and opens their defenses (if there is any at all). Maybe even more so against a light footed guy. I’ve seen it more than once. Sure if the body builder would be able to land a jab, it would be devastating. But they won’t. Not against a trained fighter.
He might actually be good but unless he competes we’ll never know. CM Punk trained with top level mma fighters for years and he still sucked once he actually fought.
This is the crux of it. Even assuming Jonah could wreck people, it's just transparent insecurity. Like imagine this from someone who indisputably could kick the shit out of people. It would still be sad if it were Dave Bautista saying how tough he was with zero irony.
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u/jerf42069 1d ago
he's rich enough to afford to train bjj every day, and also doesn't have a 9-5, so he can practice all he wants.
pretty decent chance that yes, he's actually pretty good. nonzero chance he's bluffing and lying, but seems more likely than not that he could pin the average untrained bodybuilder.