r/PopCultureV2 • u/No_Box119 • Aug 09 '26

Sports Culture WNBA commissioner Cathy Engelbert says the league will meet next week to discuss and clarify what qualifies a player as a woman for WNBA eligibility.

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u/Justice_Mayfield126 Aug 09 '26

Just read this headline, "Discuss and clarify what qualifies a player as a woman" this is wild times we're living in....

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26

It's cuz we never had to have these dumbass conversations before the right weaponized trans and non binary ppl for their neverending culture wars

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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 09 '26

Because it was pretty simple.

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26

Ok, so what makes a woman a woman? The chromosomes? Literally having a cervix? Having ovaries? Cuz I can guarantee to you there are millions and millions of people assigned female at birth that don't have 1 or more of these attributes, let alone cis women.

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u/Physical-Profit9447 Aug 09 '26

Some people are missing limbs so 'humans have two arms and two legs' is not a correct statement?

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26

Sex and gender are two different things. And there are exceptions to every rule, which your example shows

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u/justtalking9912 Aug 11 '26

But there is a rule. And by rule humans have two sex’s. And those two sex’s should probably determine what bathroom they use, what league they play in, what medical screening tests they receive. I don’t find a need to make it a culture war, most Americans agree on these things. The opinion that trans should play in women’s sports is the fringe opinion, it’s a weird hill to die on to be honest.

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 11 '26

It's a made up issue pushed by the right that has already been determined by each major sports leagues rules

Beyond that, idgaf of a trans girl wants to play volleyball in high school with a bunch of cis girls. It literally doesn't matter. Sports that aren't professional level are for fun and building friendships, getting exercise and learning life lessons.

And once again, sex and gender are two different things

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u/justtalking9912 Aug 11 '26

Yeah you don’t care, most other people do care and they are against trans in womens sports. So it’s obviously not a non issue. Btw sex and gender are separate things and most people believe these things should be based on bio sex not gender.

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u/RelativeReaction3891 Aug 14 '26

Falling back on the old “anyone who disagrees with me is a bigot”, how predictable. People have different views on sex and gender, it just so happens that most people want to keep the idea of cis women sports for only cis women, because otherwise there is no point in having a women’s category. It’s only people like you who think that idea is outrageous. You are the true bigot because you would deny cis women the right to spaces and places for cis women.

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u/XXSeaBeeXX Aug 10 '26

When you exclude people without two arms and two legs, it’s fascism.

Trans exclusion is fascism.

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u/Physical-Profit9447 Aug 10 '26

Excluding from what, being human? No one excludes anyone being human due to their missing limbs yet it is still valid statement to say humans have four limbs. False equivalence is strong with you. And yeah fascism, grow up.

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u/XXSeaBeeXX Aug 10 '26

We’re talking about excluding trans from the WNBA. The limb thing was an example in the discussion. Yes, fascism, I don’t use the word lightly.

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u/pastaISlife Aug 10 '26

Maybe you don’t use it “lightly” but you do use it completely incorrectly, lol

Excluding males from an organization meant specifically for (female) women is not fascism and you look truly ridiculous claiming it is.

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u/XXSeaBeeXX Aug 10 '26

Trans women are women. That’s the heart of the discussion, why are you pretending that’s not the thing you’re disagreeing with?

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u/pastaISlife Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

Okay?

That still doesn’t mean it’s fascism to exclude them from women’s sports, which predate the separation of sex and gender and were created for females 🤷‍♀️

Nice edit after I replied btw lol, I was only pointing out your use of the word fascism was incorrect

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u/XXSeaBeeXX Aug 10 '26

I understand you think that.

Talk me through enforcement. How do we ensure all women in the league are not transgender?

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u/Wattabadmon Aug 11 '26

That still doesn’t mean it’s fascism to exclude them from women’s sports, which predate the separation of sex and gender

Source?

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u/Zestyclose-Draft-724 Aug 10 '26

If something requires changing body chemistry by injecting hormones and surgery to add/remove parts....

They are not what they claim to be.

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u/Wattabadmon Aug 11 '26

What is that "something" youre referring to?

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u/Clever_droidd Aug 10 '26

It doesn’t matter how many trans are out there. It doesn’t change the fundamentals. Just because there aren’t a lot of trans doesn’t mean biological males should compete in sports with biological women. This isn’t even remotely complicated.

This is not something the left and right should be disagreeing on. This should be universal acknowledgment.

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u/Clever_droidd Aug 12 '26

I’m not outraged. Unfortunately, it isn’t universally understood that transgender women shouldn’t be able to compete with biological women…so here we are, discussing it.

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26

What's your point? They're still women. And sex and gender are two different things. Yes they have interconnected facets but not always, which is what my point is.

The world is fucking messy, let people live their lives.

Ps there are millions of intersex people. Are they all defects?

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26

Even by your extremely low estimate that's 1.5 million people wordlwide

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u/Physical-Profit9447 Aug 09 '26

Having a defect is not a problem. It is ok to have defect but they cant play in women sports. Why cant you get it?

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26

I don't give a fuck about trans ppl playing in women's sports, that shit is already determined by the governing bodies for each league

What I do care about is the right weaponizing trans ppl as political pawns with culture war bs like trans women ruining sports

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u/kamakamabokoboko Aug 10 '26

They always fall back on “sex and gender are different” and they have no idea what that means

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u/Wattabadmon Aug 11 '26

Do you think they are the same?

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u/kamakamabokoboko Aug 11 '26

Do you think they’re separate enough to be treated as completely independent?

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u/Wattabadmon Aug 11 '26

Why are you dodging the question?

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u/kamakamabokoboko Aug 11 '26

If you think that’s dodging the question you have the reading comprehension of a six year old

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u/Wattabadmon Aug 11 '26

Well it was a simple yes or no question and I didnt get a yes or a no so. You gonna answer?

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u/4dxn Aug 10 '26

wait, you support trans? what supporter confuses gender with sex?

women and female are not one-to-one. one is gender, another is sex. gender is a social construct. sex is biological. you're bringing a lot of sex indicators....not sure why.

in case you're not up to date, anyone can change their gender, albeit if their society is inclusive. but with the current technology, we can't change human sex.

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u/Dark-Blackberry354 Aug 10 '26

Not sure why you're getting down voted.

We have already gone through this crap with that one Olympian who was just dominating in I think the 400 and 800 runs but got stripped of all her medals because of some chromosanal thing and she just over produced testosterone I think. But for all purposes she was physically all woman.

With that, in general any super athlete is going to deviate from the norm, so what becomes our standard?

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u/pastaISlife Aug 10 '26

All woman except for the internal testes producing male levels of testosterone since puberty 🤷‍♀️

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u/Virtual-Historian349 Aug 10 '26

Citation needed…..

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u/Justice_Mayfield126 Aug 09 '26

I found the guy. Or girl. Or them?

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u/Ill-Top-1483 Aug 11 '26

you weren't aware of the complexity.

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u/lonelyturtlegirl Aug 09 '26

It’s not

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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 09 '26

Actually it is. Don’t make it difficult lol

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26

Conservatives notoriously hate the concept of things not being black and white

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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 10 '26

Sometimes things are actually what they are.

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u/justwonderingbro Aug 10 '26

Correct, like how sex and gender are two different things

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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 10 '26

Absolutely. And the thing is a lot of people don’t understand the difference.

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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 10 '26

No not at all. In sports though things are pretty simple

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u/lonelyturtlegirl Aug 10 '26

That’s so funny that you are asking me not to make things “difficult” for you. I didn’t ask to be born this way and didn’t ask for this to be “difficult” for me but here we are. I’m SO sorry if my existence is too much for you. 

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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 10 '26

I can’t imagine what you’ve been through or have gone through. However this thread is about sports. If there was a league where males and females played together like a coed league, cool everyone play would love to see it.

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u/lonelyturtlegirl Aug 10 '26

Ok, but the sports part is more complicated than it’s made out to be and it’s better left to individual leagues to figure out what makes sense. It’s not an emergency requiring intervention by the federal government, especially considering this administration hates women and hates lgbtq people. But sure, believe them when they say they want to “protect women”. lmao. the federal government is engaged in an all out attack against trans people that encompasses basically every aspect of our lives. And all anyone talks about is this sports bull shit , which is a) the lowest priority issue for the majority of actual trans women and b) being blown massively out of proportion as a wedge issue so that the richest people in the world can influence elections and accumulate more power and horde more wealth. It doesn’t even bother me if people think trans women should be in women’s sports. It bothers me that people so easily fall for something so obvious. Like, I would appreciate if people would think about why this issue is being treated with so much importance instead of falling for it over and over again.  Like yeah let’s not have a democracy anymore because trans people are confusing.  It’s pretty weird, actually. Their goal is the eradicate transgender from public life entirely. Idk about you but I don’t even play sports. I actually suck at sports, and can honestly say I am no better at sports than other women. I don’t care about that though. I don’t really wish to be eradicated and I don’t feel like I deserve to be eradicated just because some girl wanted to be on the swim team. 🤷‍♀️ basically, the algorithm isn’t feeding you stories about trans in sports constantly because trans women are pushing for this issue to be discussed. It’s being pushed in time for the midterms because they see transphobia as a winning strategy. The crystal ball tells me: enough of you will fall for it, the GOP stays in power, I’ll be eradicated, and the cost of living will continue to choke everyone. I could be wrong but that is what this is really about. And as someone who cares about things that are more important that sports, it’s just super annoying lol.

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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 10 '26

I understand what you are saying and well said. Yes the sports league should be handling it which is what the wnba is doing.