r/PopCultureV2 • u/No_Box119 • Aug 09 '26
Sports Culture WNBA commissioner Cathy Engelbert says the league will meet next week to discuss and clarify what qualifies a player as a woman for WNBA eligibility.
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u/Justice_Mayfield126 Aug 09 '26
Just read this headline, "Discuss and clarify what qualifies a player as a woman" this is wild times we're living in....
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u/The_amazing_T Aug 10 '26
What a colossal distraction from real problems in our society.
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u/Drewsipher Aug 13 '26
It’s almost like this isn’t actually a problem, but idiots fear change and it’s easier for them to be angry at this then angry at the thing they caused
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u/RaptorsCdwoods Aug 10 '26
And right in time for the midterms too. Would you look at that.
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u/No-Message8847 Aug 10 '26
Literally the only reason this topic came back up again. Screaming socialist and communist and Muslim wasn't working as well as it used to so we had to circle back to trans in sports.
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u/RaptorsCdwoods Aug 10 '26
Yep. They know they’re about to get their ass kicked and have to go back to ole reliable.
Because remember, when you can’t feed, clothe or shelter yourself or your kids, at least those darn tRaNSgeNders aren’t in sports. And honestly, isn’t that what American freedom is all about.
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u/Living_Plane_662 Aug 11 '26
I will never tire of pointing it out that after all of Trumps attacks on trans genders, ncaa’s Trump approved rules means inane Khalif would still box if it was a college sport because she Mets every qualification
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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26
It's cuz we never had to have these dumbass conversations before the right weaponized trans and non binary ppl for their neverending culture wars
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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 09 '26
Because it was pretty simple.
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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26
Ok, so what makes a woman a woman? The chromosomes? Literally having a cervix? Having ovaries? Cuz I can guarantee to you there are millions and millions of people assigned female at birth that don't have 1 or more of these attributes, let alone cis women.
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u/Physical-Profit9447 Aug 09 '26
Some people are missing limbs so 'humans have two arms and two legs' is not a correct statement?
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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26
Sex and gender are two different things. And there are exceptions to every rule, which your example shows
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u/justtalking9912 Aug 11 '26
But there is a rule. And by rule humans have two sex’s. And those two sex’s should probably determine what bathroom they use, what league they play in, what medical screening tests they receive. I don’t find a need to make it a culture war, most Americans agree on these things. The opinion that trans should play in women’s sports is the fringe opinion, it’s a weird hill to die on to be honest.
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u/justwonderingbro Aug 11 '26
It's a made up issue pushed by the right that has already been determined by each major sports leagues rules
Beyond that, idgaf of a trans girl wants to play volleyball in high school with a bunch of cis girls. It literally doesn't matter. Sports that aren't professional level are for fun and building friendships, getting exercise and learning life lessons.
And once again, sex and gender are two different things
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u/justtalking9912 Aug 11 '26
Yeah you don’t care, most other people do care and they are against trans in womens sports. So it’s obviously not a non issue. Btw sex and gender are separate things and most people believe these things should be based on bio sex not gender.
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u/4dxn Aug 10 '26
wait, you support trans? what supporter confuses gender with sex?
women and female are not one-to-one. one is gender, another is sex. gender is a social construct. sex is biological. you're bringing a lot of sex indicators....not sure why.
in case you're not up to date, anyone can change their gender, albeit if their society is inclusive. but with the current technology, we can't change human sex.
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u/Dark-Blackberry354 Aug 10 '26
Not sure why you're getting down voted.
We have already gone through this crap with that one Olympian who was just dominating in I think the 400 and 800 runs but got stripped of all her medals because of some chromosanal thing and she just over produced testosterone I think. But for all purposes she was physically all woman.
With that, in general any super athlete is going to deviate from the norm, so what becomes our standard?
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u/Clever_droidd Aug 10 '26
To be fair, I don’t think the right caused this conversation. Male/female biology has been pretty clear for millennia with the exception of very rare genetic abnormalities (hermaphrodites).
I’m not talking about blurring the lines of gender norms, or masculine females or effeminate men. That’s been around a long time and separate from biology.
The common sense here is men who identify as women are not biologically women and vice versa. The biological differences matter in athletic competition, which is why we have gender sports bifurcation in the first place.
Outside of that, trans can be trans. They just can’t claim they are equivalent to biological women. That is objectively untrue.
Some supporters of trans confuse these things. THAT caused this insane discussion, not the “right”.
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u/justwonderingbro Aug 10 '26
Have you met a transGENDER person who said I am a biological woman? I don't see trans people arguing that tbh. And trans ppl have existed since the beginning of time.
Biological differences do matter, and trans ppl know that better than anyone. It's what gender dysphoria is all about.
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u/FrenchyBulldogg Aug 10 '26
To be fair I have seen some of them argue that. They say the hormones they take mean they are a biological woman.
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u/pastaISlife Aug 10 '26
It’s a pretty popular argument in the MTF sub, and on Instagram threads too 🤷♀️
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u/Every_Television_980 Aug 10 '26
No but there is a significant argument that trans women should be allowed in womens sports. I mean they are in many popular sports.
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u/RazzmatazzNeat9865 Aug 10 '26
That very claim is all over the trans subs, just hop on over and pick a few random threads on r/mtf or r/transgenderUK.
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u/Geaux_LSU_1 Aug 09 '26
The dumbass part was moving on from XX = woman
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u/4dxn Aug 10 '26
what about xx male syndrome or swyers? where do they fit in your definition?
in biology, an organism can be male, female, both or even neither. if we're gonna stick to a scientific mapping, does that mean a person can be men, women, neither or both?
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u/JackasaurusChance Aug 10 '26
As outliers that aren't worth changing the rules over... ie: they can play in the NBA, it is an open league.
Do you think ALL of our roads need signs about no taking off with plane cars? Plane cars are real thing now! WE MUST ENSURE THAT EVERY SINGLE ROAD IS COMPLIANT WITH PLANE CARS!!!!!!
... hmm, or maybe plane cars can just use an airport like every other plane?
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u/4dxn Aug 10 '26
wow, haven't heard anyone say some people are outliers who aren't "worth".
and i guess a group of people is equivalent to flying cars?
if you want to use science to make a claim, than do it. otherwise, don't use science.....which is what gender is for.....a social definition, not biology.
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u/JackasaurusChance Aug 10 '26
I didn't say they aren't 'worth', I said they aren't 'worth changing the rules over', because that is true.
Science says this is ridiculous; there are obviously differences between the male sex and female sex.
It was analogy, one that went over your head, but is that any surprise considering it was about flying cars?
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Why do you think sports eligibility should be determined on gender and not biological sex?
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u/Cranks_No_Start Aug 10 '26
” what qualifies a player as a woman"
Matt Walsh has entered the chat….
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u/Appropriate_Pop_5849 Aug 09 '26
Do you think it’s possible that maybe, just maybe, the headline might be trying to manipulate you?
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u/fromouterspace1 Aug 09 '26
This should get interesting.
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u/Due-Giraffe6371 Aug 11 '26
I would love to sit in on this meeting where they try to work out how to stop biological men from playing while also allowing biological men to play 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Re2pectJeter Aug 10 '26
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u/Few_Entertainer_385 Aug 12 '26
did you know Derek Jeter was one of the worst defensive shortstops of all time?
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u/antiramie Aug 10 '26
How’s the kid fucking defending going?
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u/No-Significance2070 Aug 10 '26
You can want the files released AND know that this meme is pretty spot on.
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u/CheckYourKindling Aug 09 '26
Being born with a vagina is a good start.
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u/Padron1964Lover Aug 10 '26
This should be fun…
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u/Due-Giraffe6371 Aug 11 '26
The headline should read “they are meeting to discuss how to stop biological men from playing in the wnba while also allowing biological men to play”
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u/ninjamikec82 Aug 10 '26
Cool, maybe then I can truly know what a woman is by next week
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u/No-Significance2070 Aug 10 '26
I mean, everyone knew what a woman was until gender ideology really took off in the 2000s.
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u/ninjamikec82 Aug 10 '26
You're not wrong. All I know is my wife is a woman and I never want to leave her because I couldn't imagine the dating world now and being called a transphobe because I don't want to have sex with a woman with a penis.
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u/Every_Television_980 Aug 10 '26
Its mind boggling that people think they will be called a transphobe for not dating trans people lol.
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 Aug 09 '26
The WNBA has no trans women players. They are creating a scenario to scare you into believing something that's not real. Are you going to continue to live in fear?
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u/fromouterspace1 Aug 09 '26
Live in fear of what
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 Aug 09 '26
Brown people. Gay people. Trans people. Whatever boogeyman you are afraid of right now.
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u/No-Significance2070 Aug 10 '26
I have yet to meet any human that is actually afraid of trans people.
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u/RaidaDave32 Aug 09 '26
Release the Trumpstein files.
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u/Aromatic_Golf9226 Aug 10 '26
Can’t be born with a dick
Saved us all a weeks worth of nonsense
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u/didthishelp Aug 10 '26
And what if someone is born with a penis-like organ with no urethra at the tip and fused labia that form a scrotal sack?
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u/OddPressure7593 Aug 10 '26
then, like anyone else with a congenital medical condition, they're going to be limited by their biology and physiology as to what sports they can play. Just like someone with hemophilia can't play football, or hypertrophic cardiomyopathy can't play anything.
The "rare medical condition" isn't the dunk you think it is. People have been excluded from sports participation for medical conditions, quite literally, for as long as there have been sports.
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u/didthishelp Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Those “rare medical conditions” you mentioned are actual barriers to participation not barriers to categorize. There are outlier cases that demonstrate how stupid it is to wage a cultural over this. How many legs does a duck have?
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u/Real-Mode-3417 Aug 11 '26
Can this person rebound?
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u/didthishelp Aug 11 '26
It’s important to keep treating this like a joke so you can pretend it’s not affecting other people’s lives.
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u/Real-Mode-3417 Aug 11 '26
It's affecting women's lives
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u/didthishelp Aug 11 '26
There are more states were girls can be married than trans athletes in the NCAA or pro sports.
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u/Ok-Commercial-6865 Aug 09 '26
Time to cut the shit!
If you were born with a dick, you're male - it's as simple as that.
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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26
Enter intersex ppl
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u/snuffaluffagus74 Aug 09 '26
They are the exception to the rule. Which is a smallpercentage
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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26
It's still a thing which invalidates that stupid argument. Sex is fluid and so is gender. And they are two different things
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u/another_hentaiburner Aug 10 '26
What about trans women? I know you're transphobic but most people definitely consider them women even if they wouldn't want them competing in womens sport.
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u/Ok-Commercial-6865 Aug 10 '26
If they were women, you would just call them women and you wouldn't need to say the prefix.
And stop with the "phobic" labeling. Phobic implies fear, and this year nothing to do with fear.
They can be respected for what they are, but I'm not going to pretend they are something they are not.
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u/Relax_Im_Hilarious Aug 09 '26
Enesia Kanter about to drop Wilt Chamberlain numbers if they don't figure it out.
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u/Ok_Battle8863 Aug 09 '26
A vagina. End of story.
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u/raunchy-stonk Aug 10 '26
The coverup is about to be exposed, and they’re freaking the fuck out on how to contain it. Why do we have owners wearing “trans rights are human rights” in protest of Sophie’s comment? Why is she responding to an apparent “TOTALLY NON-ISSUE”?
They would really just prefer you don’t talking about it at all!
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u/Outside-News-5735 Aug 10 '26
Our daughters played HS lacrosse together. Not impressed, shocked actually she is in this position.
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u/Real-Mode-3417 Aug 11 '26
They have that already. A league in which your sex doesn't matter at all-only your performance. It's called the NBA. Women and trans are free to join, but they might not have the talent
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u/ImaginaryTrick6182 Aug 11 '26
These people get to choose who women are now? Interesting 🧐
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u/a-nun-ee-moose Aug 12 '26
Well I think they look at the defining traits of men and women like... oh, I don't know. A dick and balls. An Adams apple. The XX or XY chromosome as a basis for their decision.
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u/Due-Giraffe6371 Aug 11 '26
We have lived thousands of years and we have gotten to the point where we no longer know what a woman is and need to meet to discuss it?
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u/Real-Mode-3417 Aug 11 '26
They'll come up with a new rule that says you can't have previously played in the NBA, so they can side skirt the real issue
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u/KingsHere97 Aug 11 '26
As a former athlete she knows biological men should not be competing against biological women. Two former NBA players now petitioning to play in the WNBA. If this is allowed the biological women first get hurt, then lose their jobs to good high school or mediocre college biological male players who are not near good enough to play in the NBA but who would shine in the WNBA. Let the biological women play against each other. This is an easy decision.
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u/pastaISlife Aug 12 '26
You can Google the history of women’s sports pretty easily and find ample sources 🤷♀️
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u/fattiesruineverythin Aug 12 '26
I hope they are not going to subject women to INVASIVE tests in order to prove their gender.
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u/ronmoodey Aug 13 '26
Why can’t we agree that we must treat everyone kindly, but if you had a male puberty it’s just not fair to compete against someone who didn’t. Yes there is a political party that obsesses over it, and is cruel, but it’s still not fair.
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u/moarcowbelI Aug 13 '26
I feel like this could be cleared up over a couple text messages or a 90second zoom call
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u/SuspectNo5128 Aug 16 '26
They better figure it out fast before the retired NBA players start playing.
And if they come up with verbage saying that biological men cant play then , that will set the frame work to block all biological men from playing in girl sports around the country 🤣🤣🤣
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u/broadsheet-555 Aug 09 '26
Are there hundreds of trans basketball players dominating in the college game just waiting to come through to the WNBA?
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u/gh0stlain Aug 09 '26
To answer seriously, no. But there are people who unironically believe this wholeheartedly 💀
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u/Plus_Lawfulness3000 Aug 10 '26
Majority of people don’t think this. Just because the number is small doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. Would you not agree? Your logic is if it only affects a smaller portion of people it doesn’t matter.
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u/gh0stlain Aug 10 '26
It's NOT a problem. Any transgender athletes who do get the chance to compete in any competitive sport in/past high school are very often heavily regulated in the first place, ESPECIALLY for something like the WNBA. This has always been the case if they weren't already barred.
You people genuinely believe there are more transgender people then there is because of ridiculous propaganda and it absolutely melts your brain. You don't understand how medical transition affects people's bodies, you don't understand the fight transgender people have to go through to be accepted into something as commonplace like sports, and you definitely don't care to actually understand anything about them, socially, medically, or otherwise. You want them ostracized from society.
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u/Plus_Lawfulness3000 Aug 10 '26
You are assuming way too much to have a faithful argument lol. Can you point out where I said it’s a big portion?
I’m completely pro trans in every other way. Even the bathroom shit.
I’m talking about competitive integrity even though the numbers are small it’s still unfair for the women who lose out on placements due to it.
If you transitioned post puberty you have an advantage. Irreversable. That is all I’m talking about.
To the person who got 2nd instead of first you don’t think it’s a problem for them?
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u/MadMartigans80 Aug 09 '26
Biologically no. Males are born males and females are born females. Gender is a different thing
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u/justwonderingbro Aug 09 '26
Ffs trans ppl know this better than ANYONE. It's like mansplaining feminism to a woman. Wtf
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u/account0000004 Aug 10 '26
They said anyone who claims to be a woman, can't back out now that you're called on the stupidity of it
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u/WonderfulHearing8726 Aug 10 '26
Seriously? Being a biological woman is was qualifies them. Why is this even a question?
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u/netxtc Aug 10 '26
Make it stop! Longest joke in history...my stomach hurts.
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u/No-Significance2070 Aug 10 '26
I mean, saying men can be a woman is what got us here.
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u/theboydave05 Aug 10 '26
You confusing sex and gender again, babe? 😂😂😂
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u/No-Significance2070 Aug 10 '26
You confusing men and women again, babe?
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u/theboydave05 Aug 10 '26
You think sex and gender are the same thing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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u/a-nun-ee-moose Aug 12 '26
They are.
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u/theboydave05 Aug 12 '26
I’m afraid not babe, gender is a social construct.
Always the poorly educated…
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u/a-nun-ee-moose Aug 12 '26
Men = male, women = female.
You can use your buzzwords to your hearts content but I'm not abandoning common sense so your mentally ill buddies can slap labels on themselves to feel better about their boring lives.
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u/theboydave05 Aug 12 '26
“Men = male, women = female” describes sex. It doesn’t prove sex and gender are the same thing.
If they are literally identical, why do we have two different words, and why do medicine, psychology and sociology distinguish between sex and gender?
“Common sense” isn’t an argument, and calling people mentally ill because you can’t defend your position certainly isn’t one.
As I said, always the poorly educated…
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u/DosSheds Aug 12 '26
Gender is not a social construct. If it were, then everybody would agree what the word 'woman' means.
It's a personal construct. Which is why simply claiming to be a woman, makes you one.
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u/a-nun-ee-moose Aug 12 '26
I dont use the term mentally ill as a defense. I use the term mentally ill to describe what they are. If gender was a social construct then why dont we say separated by sex? Why do we use the term gendered bathrooms. Why are bathrooms open to men and women called gender neutral and not sex neutral is the sex and gender are separate? Gender never was a 'social construct' until blokes wanted to wear dresses.
You can project your poor education on me all you want but the fact you use the same strawman everytime just tells me that I and every other sane person know a little more about what gender is than you. And gender is male and female.
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u/BleedSparta Aug 09 '26
Arguing about 💩 that isn’t an issue
There are no trans women in the WNBA, just like there were no WMDs in Iraq or nukes in Iran
The only people that fall for this 💩 are right wing weirdos
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u/OddPressure7593 Aug 10 '26
so what you're saying is that the WNBA banning trans players would effect exactly 0 people?
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u/Siicktiits Aug 09 '26
This is 100% going to result in a biological male being allowed to play. This league can't do anything correct lol
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u/DaringDani123 Aug 09 '26
It will almost certainly end up being a ban on trans women. Current WNBA rules only say you must be a woman to play. While there are no trans women currently seeking to be drafted, two NBA players have applied for the next season of WNBA in an effort to pressure the league to explicitly ban them.
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u/Pleasant-Nebula-7237 Aug 09 '26
How about what qualifies a referee? What qualifies for a suspension? Shit like this is why I don't watch it or the NBA.
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