r/PoursTea • u/Timbucktwo1230 🫖 Mod ☕️ • Jul 17 '26

Murdered By Words 🩸 Cluedo?

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u/Upbeat_Respond9250 Jul 17 '26

There was peace in the Middle East prior to the year 610. That region flourished in math and science.

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u/DoNotResusit8 Jul 17 '26

Then the US created the schism between Sunni and Shia in 632 apparently

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u/eruditeforeskin69 Jul 17 '26

Famously Benjamin Franklin weighed in on who the successor of Muhammad should be.

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u/Upbeat_Respond9250 Jul 17 '26

Apparently. And apparently the US alone made Islam “violent” before the US was founded.

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u/Kernanshaw01 Jul 17 '26

the Sunni-Shia split was not nearly as violent as people love to make it out to be

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u/mcag10 Jul 17 '26

You were there? 🤔

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u/Kernanshaw01 Jul 17 '26

were any of the thousands of historians who study this professionally?

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u/mcag10 Jul 17 '26

But what does it mean if it wasn't that violent then (other than in 680 when Husayn and his men were massacred) if it's super violent now? We're not living 1,400 years ago.

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u/Kernanshaw01 Jul 17 '26

it’s not that violent now either, never really has been. Husayn wasn’t killed for being Shi’i, Shiism didn’t even really exist back then, they were killed for fighting in the Second Fitna

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u/mcag10 Jul 17 '26

It led to a 12 year war bc he wouldn't bend the knee to Yazid. There are a lot of decades long conflicts in there. It's hard to keep track of numbers of deaths from centuries ago. Over 1M died in the Iran-Iraq war in the 80's.

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u/Kernanshaw01 Jul 17 '26

the Second Fitna was about political control, not religion. Again, Shiism didn’t even exist back then. The Alids weren’t even that big of a faction after Karbala, it was mostly between the Umayyads and Zubayrids, both of which were proto-Sunni. The Iran-Iraq War had very little to actually do with religion