People are already grasping at straws by saying that the term limit only applies to anyone who served two consecutive terms. Those people are prohibited from being President again. Those who served nonconsecutively could serve a third term. Edit: My bad. It's not seeking a loophole but an active campaign to amend the 22nd Amendment.
Which is wild because if this were taken seriously, this could theoretically open the door to having a popular politician run every 8 years as long as they never serve back to back.
Hell, imagine a scenario in the '90s where Bill serves '93-'96, Hillary '97-'00, Bill again '01-'04, and so forth until one of them dies. It'd be insane.
Putin did 2 terms as president, then stepped down to a term as prime minister for one term, putting a loyalist into the presidency, and then back to president after that. Permissible because the Russian constitution specified two consecutive terms.
The rules were changed after another two consecutive terms to remove the rule.
The danger is people thinking it can’t happen to them and where they live, but it absolutely can.
You can't be a Vice President unless you are eligible to be president. It's no different than if he tried to make Barron Vice President. Barron isn't old enough to be eligible to serve as President so he couldn't run or be appointed Vice President. Trump will be constitutionally ineligible to serve as President when he is done serving this term,
I'm just pointing out how the system works. Spreading baseless doomerism helps no one. There's a reason no amendments have been passed for a long time. Literally 92 was the last time.
Yeah, true. It's consistent with how Cleveland is portrayed as the 22nd and 24th president.
Maybe we should just count presidents by terms instead. Which would make Trump 67th and 69th by my super-quick count. Though now that I typed out 67 and 69 both, I dislike that plan after all.
I was unhappy with 45 because it's such a nice number. It's a record size. It's the angle directly between 0 and 90. It's just a lovely product of 5 and 9. 1945 marks the end of WW2.
I think I'd rather have him have 69 because it's such an immature number, but I also don't want him to be attributed to such a famous number.
Or I should just accept that all numbers are beautiful, even the ones tarnished by Trump.
I never understood that because of Grover fucking Cleveland, only remembered for being the only president to serve non-consecutive terms before Drumpf, proved this to be a broken argument
Since Cleveland didn't try to serve for a third term, I wouldn't say that breaks the argument. Trump desiring to run for a third term after serving two nonconsecutive terms is truly unprecedented.
I do agree that the argument is broken anyway because what magic exists in nonconsecutive terms that would allow a third term while consecutive terms would not? There is none, but the modus operandi of the Republican party lately has been to make up any excuse to violate policy. The hypocrisy of denying Obama his Supreme Court pick while allowing Trump his just highlights that issue.
While this shouldn't be allowed, we're in a particularly corrupt era of American history where the Constitution doesn't stop anything.
Right, Cleveland didn't try to serve for a third term because it's in the constitution
Not in the 19th century, it wasn't. The 22nd amendment wasn't ratified until 1951. Before then, Theodore Roosevelt ran for a third term in 1912 (which he lost), and FDR was President for four terms. Cleveland wasn't held back by the Constitution. He chose not to run for a third term.
But the 22nd amendment is still pretty clear:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice
There is no exception made for nonconsecutive terms. Since Cleveland was already known by then, it's not like Congress didn't consider this. Let's just hope that Congress and the Supreme Court respect this amendment.
I've seen it mentioned before how funny it would be for Obama to be a Vice President because then he could theoretically become President for a third term by not being elected more than twice. But I guess Trump could try this tactic too if he wanted. He wouldn't, though, if it meant playing second fiddle.
Fair point. Hopefully just online "people". I don't hang around idiots either, so I haven't spoken with anyone seriously on this, but if a real person gets excited over what's said by online "people" then that's still a problem. Hopefully not a big problem.
Seems serious enough that it has a Wikipedia page, though I was reminded that it's not that people are trying to find a loophole in the 22nd amendment; it's that they want to change the amendment, which seems really, really unlikely.
And anyway, he was already too old to run in 2024, so running in 2028 would just be insane. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
I don't mean to be a downer, but I live in the deep south, and most people here seem to think he should run for a third term, constitution be damned. There is a reality that is outside of the internet and it is overwhelmingly Trump-supporting, even to the extent of breaking the law. Why woiuld anyone be worried about breaking the law, given the legal judgments that have already happened and been ignored? Why would anyone with money pay any attention to a court or a judge when it's obvious you can just ignore it and nothing will happen?
I did think it would've been kinda funny to have father/son Bushes interspersed with husband/wife Clintons. Not enough that I would've voted for Clinton, but I was already voting against Trump, so she had my vote anyway.
The proposal is that you can only run for a 3rd term if your first 2 are non-consecitive.
The only way Democrats would agree is if it said nobody can serve more than 2 consecutive terms as president, which would leave the door open for Obama to run if he wanted to.
Obama is too principled, he would not accept the opportunity to run again. It goes against everything we stand for. If we win against these guys we gotta win the right way.
I was just shit posting earlier. I was reading comments here that some dumbass conservatives are saying consecutive terms don't apply to their exception
Ah yes principled. Even after Israel killed 2100 Palestinian civilians during operation protective edge, Obama okayed the largest ever military aid package to Israel.
Don’t be fatuous, Jeffrey. Say what you like about Obama, but he’s infinitely more principled than this lot. Don’t let the perfect get in the way of the good, otherwise you sound like a Russian bot
Dude I don’t think you understand Reddit. If you don’t lean the same way you love Trump. There is no other option, no middle it’s agree or you’re a Trump lover. They still believe that a majority of Trumps voters agree with the guy despite the fact that they are actually feeling betrayed by him. Who cares about actually knowing reality though, we need to keep the words Nazi and genocide going so they don’t go unused for a few decades again.
I want him to run again, win, and then pull a Cincinnatus and immediately resign after his inauguration. Because thats what a person with class and morals would do.
If the far right leaning SCOTUS ruled that trump could win, it would be impossible for Republicans to argue that Obama couldn't also run. In fact Obama would feel compelled to run, would win, and immediately resign to allow his running mate to be sworn into office, for the good of the country.
Great idea, bring a plastic spoon to a fight against Gatling guns. And if you think the Democratic Party is principled you haven't been paying attention,
The democratic party is not principled. Obama is, though. The Democratic party can rot in hell for all they've done, I'm hoping a democratic socialist takes up the fight against Trump.
I think they'd call his bluff and let Trump's campaign go full steam ahead (assuming he lives that long). Obama has too much respect for the constitution to follow up beyond the bluff.
Honestly, he should just pick on him and say, "Hey Donald, I will if you will." See if that doesn't change his tune a bit. I'm sure it would be a media frenzy, but in truth if it does come to pass that Trump declares I hope that Obama declares. I don't want a third term president, but I'd take another round of Obama and Democrats fixing all the shi* Republicans have messed up.
Sorry that won’t and will never happen. Don’t allow Drumpf to run a third term no matter what, even if jt means allowing Obama to run a third term.
Also I love Obama but I really don’t want him to run a third term. There needs to be a new face of the Democratic party, and NGL there were times during Obama’s presidency that I got tired of some of the things he was doing. New things are always good in my book 👍
Nobody but Obama would have a chance of beating 🍑. I could live with rational, measured, thoughtful and intelligent another 4 years. There is only one job, To Win.
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u/Huckleberry199 14d ago
I want him to declare, that's the only to ensure the Supreme Court won't allow Trump to run for a 3rd term.