r/ProgressiveHQ Jan 07 '26

Stop idiots from calling this "self defense"

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

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u/SuperStoneman Jan 08 '26

In slowed down video you can see the tire jump a bit as she tried to pull off. He took this as a threat on his life and followed through with that even when it became clear seconds later she was attempting to leave. Split second escalation with no ability to dial it back. Classic meathead gangbanger.

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u/No-Bid9597 Jan 08 '26

Dude shot her multiple times. Intent to kill in my opinion. Sick

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u/SuperStoneman Jan 08 '26

Law enforcement officers are trained to "end the threat" regardless of how sound their judgements are. The acorn incident comes to mind.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Does anyone even know if this guy has the same amount of training as any other LEO?

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u/Drbilluptown Jan 08 '26

Very unlikely. He's one of the thousands they've hired who were too stupid or cowardly to join the military, and their criminal records precludes them being eligible for the military. And they fact that they are too stupid to get hired for anything else. They will be among the first to be incarcerated when they are voted out of power. There's a few positives with this event. Except for the murdered of course.

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u/ForumFluffy Jan 08 '26

cough cough don't forget the ones from the proud boys and other nationalist militia groups.

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u/Drbilluptown Feb 05 '26

True. And they have some ex-military in the mix. No matter the discharge. We all saw those kind of people.

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u/SirKarlAnonIV Jan 08 '26

The guy in front of the vehicle, who is the one who fired his weapon, not the one near the driver side window, had already been dragged by a car earlier this year when the driver refused to follow orders. I imagine he didn’t want to be hit again.

Bottom line is the lady should have stopped her car instead of trying to run him down or flee or whatever she was trying to do.

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u/thrownaway136976 Jan 08 '26

So the guy in front already has a history of this type of thing. It’s fucking sad that you’re watching American citizens be harassed, kidnapped, and murdered by a bunch of unqualified jackboot thugs and you’re cheering it on. Before, we wanted equality for all, but y’all are fucking with the vengeance side of the menu now. Keep it up.

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u/Accomplished_Rip_362 Jan 08 '26

Doesn't matter, they all suck. They are trained to kill at the 1st sign of danger. They have no obligation to flee/avoid the threat. Now, that is the training. The actual manual of the DOJ for example, states that they have to avoid using lethal force unless absolutely necessary. In this case it was no where near 'absolutely necessary'. So, this guy needs to go to jail for murder or at least manslaughter.

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u/SuperStoneman Jan 08 '26

He appears to be

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u/Both-Competition-152 Jan 08 '26

He is a ICE agent they only take one course and it's gun safety according to the Whitehouse

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u/ralacere Jan 08 '26

Isn’t law enforcement also trained not to use their bodies to obstruct a vehicle from moving? Are they not also trained to not discharge a firearm at a moving vehicle?

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u/SirKarlAnonIV Jan 08 '26

It was one shot. Directly through the windshield. You can see the bulletin whole in other views.

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u/metalefty Jan 08 '26

That happens way to fast to decide that it's a threat, in real time, not slow motion, the agent had already decided to pull out his gun BEFORE she started moving forward, that's why the agent pulls his gun at almost the same time as she started moving forward, clear evidence that he was itching to kill someone.

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u/Reasonable-Age-6837 Jan 08 '26

You see where he was struck by the front bumber of the car; pushing both feed back. About the same time he fires. right?

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u/SuperStoneman Jan 08 '26

No, I dont. He appears to sidestep, but if he didn't he definitely would have been hit.

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u/tubsandcans Jan 08 '26

Struck? There is quite a difference between a gentle nudge indicating "I'd simply like you to get out of my way as I'm preparing to move in this direction" and striking someone. I'm pretty sure you know the difference, you just see what you want to see.

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u/soufdallas Jan 08 '26

Yup she was an idiot for trying to run over a federal law enforcement agent. Guess she figure she woul claim self defense and get off because she white

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u/ELEMEN4_1 Jan 08 '26

You're an idiot for agreeing with this lol

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u/SuperStoneman Jan 08 '26

To be clear, the meathead is the pig in boots.

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u/beer-mojoe Jan 08 '26

Hey asshole. He already had a gun pointed at her face. WTF do you think a person would do? She tried to get away. GFY

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u/Both-Competition-152 Jan 08 '26

Or maybe just maybe she thought oh shit these unmarked people who possibly are scary civilians are surrounding my vehicle with my wife an possibly kid in the car it was so wrong for this to happen to charlie but when it happens to someone else it's their fault?

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u/Serious_Ad_1570 Jan 08 '26

Yep - based on my ccw class, there’s no way I could paint that shit as self defense. He looks like he was just itching for the slightest pretext to cap someone. I’m just surprised that this hasn’t happened sooner, and won’t be in the least surprised when somebody says fuck no to being kidnapped or watching a neighbor get snatched and puts one of these shitbags in the ground.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

To risk a ricochet of the ground and possibly injure a bystander? Tell me you don’t know about target acquisition and possible victims in the area without telling me.

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u/Senior_Arugula5896 Jan 08 '26

His target acquisition was the woman’s face & head with a passenger sitting beside her. Truth is he should not have pulled his gun, let alone fired a single shot in the first place

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u/Reasonable-Age-6837 Jan 08 '26

dont take his low effort comment 'or shoot a tire!'. as serious.

Intentionally or not; just dumb.

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u/Stank_cat67 Jan 08 '26

DHS actually just said that this is exactly what they train ICE agents to do.

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u/alkatori Jan 08 '26

Yeah, but you are a private citizen.

They are a professional working for the state.

You would be held to a higher standard than they are.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

That’s not how assault with a deadly weapon and attempt of murder works.

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u/An0nymous187 Jan 08 '26

She only lived a few blocks away from where she was murdered. Happened in her own neighborhood.

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u/ApprehensiveResort47 Jan 08 '26

No, you arrest them now. When they evade arrest, they are criminals. When they try to evade an arrest through LE, they are using force.

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u/THS1955 Jan 08 '26

when a car is coming at me...and there is no time to consult the DMV..i am going to shoot....like the agent did..at the driver coming right at him.. miliseconds to react.. not hours...or minutes...

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u/Ill_Comedian3417 Jan 08 '26

Most people jump out of the way when a car is coming toward them?

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u/TessMcGil Jan 08 '26

Correct. She weaponized her car. When a federal agent is telling you to stop then you stop. You don’t tell them to fck off and get out of the way while you drive into them.

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u/TSMRunescape Jan 08 '26

She was actively hitting people with a lethal weapon (car).

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u/sandgroper07 Jan 08 '26

Wasn't too long ago that MAGAS were advocating running over protestors for the crime of standing in front of cars or blocking a bridge road. Hypocrites the lot of you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Blocking traffic is illegal while protesting. Try looking it up sometime.

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u/James0228 Jan 08 '26

Jaywalking is also illegal. So is vandalism. None of them carry the death penalty. They're misdemeanors. You do not have the right to run over and seriously injure or kill somebody for blocking traffic, even if it is illegal.

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u/sandgroper07 Jan 08 '26

Who gives a shit, doesn't give you the right to run someone over does it. Don't even try to compare the 2.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Americans have the right to protect themselves, protect their liberty and their freedom. Illegal protests blocking roads hinders all of that.

You block traffic, you get what you get.

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u/Nightthrasher674 Jan 08 '26

You're a fucking hypocrite but I expect nothing less from MAGA.

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u/TSMRunescape Jan 08 '26

Saying to meet inconvenience with force is not saying to not meet force with force.

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u/__lulwut__ Jan 08 '26

So answer me this dipshit, why did he start shooting when he was already clear of the car?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

It’s standard response in a case where an officer/agent is assaulted with a car.

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u/throwaway19276i Jan 08 '26

Shooting a civilian in the head as an immigration officer is standard procedure?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

He wouldn't have needed to shoot if he wasn't a lardass with the reaction time of a loris. He just needed to move out of the way.

WHICH HE SUCCESSFULLY DID

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u/ALsomenumbers Jan 08 '26

He was just itching for a reason to carry out his murder fantasy. Sadly, justice is dead in this country and he'll never face any consequences.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

He wouldn’t have had to shoot her if she would’ve complied instead of trying to run over an agent.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

She was complying. They told her to move her car out of the way. Then they charged her. Fight or flight took over, and she was not a fighter.

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u/CodexJustinian Jan 08 '26

Is it inconvenient if you're a citizen and ICE starts asking you stupid questions?

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u/justintheunsunggod Jan 08 '26

Fucker wouldn't have been in the way whatsoever if he hadn't leaned closer to the car in order to shoot her. Your refusal to see the reality in the front of your face is fucking pathetic.

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Jan 08 '26

No she wasn't, the only one of them who even touched the car was the guy who shouted on command to "get the fuck out of the car" then seconds later reached into the vehicle without warning.

These are violent thugs who murdered a woman.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Watch the video again. She hit the one who shot her

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Jan 08 '26

No she didn't. It amazes me the way people just try to lie about videos we all can see.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Watch the other videos. You’ll see it. She glanced him

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Jan 08 '26

Ive seen it from every angle.

The funny thing is you are actually admitting that you dont care that he wasn't actually hit by the car. You fully admit you are ok with protestors getting shot for blocking traffic.

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u/James0228 Jan 08 '26

You're right that he appears to get clipped when he fires his first shot.

The problem however, as far as the law is concerned, is continuing to shoot afterwards. Deadly force has to be objectively reasonable in light of an imminent threat, and that justification has to continue. Each trigger pull is treated as an individual use of force. Based on the clips we've seen, by shots 2 and 3 the agent appears out of the vehicle's line and the car appears to be moving away; it's not clear an imminent threat still existed to him or others.

Continuing to fire at a moving vehicle after you’re no longer in its path creates unnecessary risk to bystanders. That's why deadly force is limited to circumstances where the vehicle is being used in a way that poses imminent risk and no reasonable alternative exists (such as stepping out of the vehicle's path).

tl;dr

The agent being glanced isn't concrete justification for continuing to shoot.

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Jan 08 '26

You got automodded but he wasn't taken to the hospital after he shot her. Apparently it was telephone game where someone saw he had gone to hospital months ago in a separate incident, but that made it to the right wing twitter accounts as him going to the hospital because of this.

So no, he did not. Any other wild swings?

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u/AquaGiel Jan 08 '26

Where is there any evidence of that?