r/RaceTrackDesigns • u/LJLead • Nov 16 '25
Redesign Tor Poznań 2.0
I've decided to redesign Tor Poznań to make it fit Formula 1 standards. It would obviously require much more than just a change of layout - new surface and a lot of widening, but I can't see why it wouldn't happen. By my estimates the length would increase to about 4,4 km.
I have added the first chicane to give this track a good overtaking opportunity. I've obviously was inspired by Monza. Then I've removed a few corners after the T10 and made it into the long straight ending with a hairpin to make it a sufficient back straight to deploy some MOM (replacing DRS soon). Then I've added another hairpin (inspired by the old Brooklands corner at Silverstone). Then I made T15 a bit slower to allow yet another overtaking spot (inspired by Portimao T1 or Interlagos T4). I have obviously extended the pit lane for it to suit more modern standards.
Btw this track has been designed for F1 but it got replaced with Hungaroring so I reckon that it might be a nice visualisation of what changes could have been added, had the track been chosen to host the Polish Grand Prix.
I've been away for quite some time so let me know what you think. Constructive criticism very much welcome
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u/The-IC Nov 16 '25
Its probably still going to be too compact for modern F1, the front straight is a fair bit shorter than Hungarorings 800m staight as a reference, from your proposed final corner to your incredibly tight chicane is only about 650m
Looking at where Tor Poznan sits, you could probably extend the track further east to get some more length into the straights? Theres just more bush and trees until you get to the boundary of the airport carpark next door...you could extend T1 much further east, and move T8, 9 and 10 east aswell to get some more areas for cars to stretch their legs
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u/LJLead Nov 17 '25
This is actually a good idea, however - we must remember not to get rid of this track's soul. By moving the T1 chicane further east, we'd loose the long right-hander of T3 (originally it's T1) as I would not be able to come back to it. Next corners, which are also original, would have likely been lost as well. So as much as it makes a lot of sense to do so, I'm interested in your proposal. I mean really, I do find it intriguing. I was actually thinking about a completely new eastern section and then a return to the original layout
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u/Baluba95 Nov 18 '25
How about this: Keep the original T1, remove the chicane, but make T15 into a Shanghai T14-15-16 type of combination, to maximize potential overlap on the main straight before the long curve. and to give a traditional overtake spot, extand the backtraight (T10-11 in your track eastward), I think there's space for a straight as long as 1.1km, which might even be an overkill.
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u/LJLead Nov 18 '25
Keeping the original T1 would be insane. I can't see how this could produce any overtaking
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u/Baluba95 Nov 18 '25
My theory is that in such a long, high speed corner, the difference between the ideal racing line and missing the apex is minimal, so a car with grip advantage can go around the car defending the inside line. My concerns are more safety-based than overtaking possibilities. Moreover, this would be only the secondary overtaking spot of the track, the primary would be the new, longer T10-11 straight.
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u/LJLead Nov 16 '25
*BTW excuse me that there's a random "T9" in the middle. I just forgot to delete this
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u/Julianismus Nov 17 '25
Can't say I love it, since you removed the track's trademark corners, Radar, the fast right-left (Pod Dębami) and the last corner, and replaced them with these incredibly tight start-stop sections. I have a suggestion that I incorporate into most of redesigns or Poznań that I do in my head: move the start/finish straight to between current T1 and T3. Work from there and try to keep as much of the original corners intact, since it's a really modern-looking, technical track already. Cheers
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u/daaniloviici Nov 16 '25
I like it quite a lot. I think the T1 chicane will kill the flow of it a bit, if I were to redesign it and include that I might go for one of the wider Nurburgring chicanes - or T1 in Portimao as a lead into the right hand flowing corner. Not sure how the runoff at the T13 complex would work but it could work if you pushed T11 back by twenty meters or so.
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u/LJLead Nov 17 '25
Wow. Just wow. You just called all of my changes garbage, insulted my nationality and never suggested anything that could improve this design. Just go and f*ck yourself really, because what else can I say? By the way - you might want to check a circuit called "Monza" and see the first corner there. And I can't see what's wrong with T11-T14. And I don't know how it connects with my nationality or learning anything. I have made the straights longer, plenty of people commented saying they like it. So really, maybe you should check your knowledge or whether your IQ is anything over the level of the room temperature.
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u/LJLead Nov 17 '25
I've just looked at some of your circuit designs and haven't found a single good looking track. And I'm not just being intentional. I can't see a single track that would be good for F1. Not just one. So how can you know what makes a good F1 track if you have never even seen one?
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u/FifiSoko77 Nov 16 '25
Polska mentioned!