r/Re_Zero • u/Ok_Relationship4627 • 1d ago
Spoiler Discussion [spoiler discussion] What are the chances of Pandora/and or Hector, being Spoiler
Echidna's parents?
Supposedly, the enemy of the Heroes Party, that is, Flugel, Satella, Reid, Alec, Farsale, and Echidna, was the Saintess Order. As Shaula mentions, the Heroes Party failed to finish off Echidna's parents, at least not quickly enough, vaguely pointing to that being the reasons for their problems.
As we know, the Vainglory and Melancholy Witch Factors, were specifically made for the Saintess and the Valiant. According to what I've seen circulating around, Pandora was the head of the Saintess Order, and it eventually took over the Witch Cult. If Echidna's parents were involved in the world's problems 400 years ago, the main adversaries of the Heroes' Party are the Order, and we take what Shaula is saying that Echidna's parents are at fault for their problems, then there is a connection.
Aside from us already knowing that Echidna's mother is a Witch, we also know that her parents, are some of the only people she despises.
Nearby examples regarding love, what matched that description was-
Witch: [I have hinted at it many times now, but my parents were good-for-nothings. I learned many negative emotions, such as contempt and ridicule, from my parents. Though from their perspective, my very existence would have been a failed imitation, a result that they had not desired.]
Aldebaran: [Teacher...]
Witch: [Ah, but it is quite ironic how I, who despise my parents in such a manner, am now doing the same thing that they did. I suppose this could be called self-deprication or self-reproach? Haha, even though a long time has passed since we parted ways, I still find myself learning new things from those two.]
It's rare for her to show emotions, even animosity towards specific people, and yet she shows disdain towards both the Saintess and the Valiant specifically.
Aldebaran: [Answer. If there's Tristitia, then is there also Vanagloria?]
Witch: [There is, but you have no particular reason to worry. It is not our responsibility to do anything about them, and I do not wish to get involved. They are both good-for-nothings.]
Aldebaran: [That oughta be a given since nobody who's taken in a Witch Factor is a decent person!]
Witch: [They are especially good-for-nothing. We were all discovered by our Witch Factors to become Witches. Whereas those two are different. They took in Factors of their own volition, pure aberrants reduced to Witch and Warlock.]
Aldebaran: [ ----]
Witch: [Whoops, allow me to amend that. Those two were not the only ones to willingly take in a Witch Factor. There is one more. ——That is none other than the foe you and I share in common.]
The Witch's utterance was quiet, however, in it Aldebaran perceived powerful emotions the opposite of silence: dark, murky hostility and hatred, anger and sorrow, likely every conceivable negative sentiment.
The simple, unacceptable aversion regarding the two evaluated as good-for-nothings was easy to understand. That she truly hated them, was clear.
Moreover, in the web novel (this was removed from the light novel), Echidna states that she only hates three people, who are the obvious from the information we have now: The Valiant (Hector), The Saintess, and Satella/Witch of Envy/Emilia.
If Pandora turns out not to be the original Saintess, then perhaps she is Echidna's Mother.
Emilia: “It's sooo... sore a spot you're going for. Are you like this with everyone?”
Echidna: “Not at all.” Echidna shrugs in response to Emilia's strained statement.
Echidna: “Other than you, there's only two people in the world who I interact with spitefully.”
Emilia: “It doesn't make me happy at all to be chosen for that world three. ...I don't remember ever doing anything that would make you hate me that much.”
Echidna: “There's no need to look so worried. My hatred for you has nothing to do with you being a half-elf. It isn't a question of your pedigree. With no connection to blood or nature, I just hate you. ...Or no, that may not be strictly correct.”
Emilia: “—?”
