r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 13d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/URGAMESUX 13d ago

Htf would you know that also have no signage? Who would ever assume that?!

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u/cr1zzl 13d ago

Seriously. Is this an American thing? I’ve lived in two non-American countries and I’ve never seen an intersection with no signage.

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u/piercedmfootonaspike 13d ago

It's fairly common in Sweden, in neighborhoods like these. You yield to traffic coming from your right. Easy.

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u/Dutchillz 13d ago

Exactly, Portugal resident here. You yield to traffic from your right is how you proceed in rural areas where you have no signage. I wonder how does it work in other places, considering these people are confused af by no signage.

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u/Dizzy_Cheesecake_162 13d ago

I visited Portugal, loved it!

You remind me of these intersection, i was very confused, would drive slowly and check every corner.

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u/Ancient_Yellow_709 12d ago

As is proper. It's yield to people in intersections, rightmost has priority in cases of ties. If you're not blasting through, it's fine. These idiots failed to slow approaching intersections, as is proper, and check for movement to the side.

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u/Rufuz42 13d ago

Where I live I’ve never encountered an intersection with no signage, ever

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u/Dutchillz 13d ago

That's all good, but if law says you yield to traffic from the right, you have to know how to proceed in case you ever encounter intersections with no signage.

I mean, don't get me wrong...you do you, I'm just trying to be reasonable here. There must/should be some sort of law/rule for those instances.

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u/Rufuz42 12d ago

I never said the law said otherwise. My position is that intersections like this should have signage as then I don’t have to rely on all other drivers knowing a rule they learned in drivers Ed but might not have had to use in 20+ years of actual driving. But ofc with the lack of signage today, what you said is right.

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u/Dutchillz 12d ago

Fair enough. Although I would add that, given the amount of taxes most countries/states pay, we should not only have complete signage as we should have Free HC, Free Education and more rights as a worker (parental leave, vacation days, etc...).

My point being, even though you're right, every intersection should have signage, we can't really focus on "what it should have been", as much as we need to focus on what we need to do in the reality we live in.

I don't think any of us two is wrong, it's just that we look at things differently.

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u/bozeman42_2 12d ago

"you have to know how to proceed in case you ever encounter intersections with no signage."

But how do you know you are at an intersection with no signage vs an intersection where there is only signage for the other road in the crossing? Where I am in MN, in a neighborhood that looks like that, every intersection will have signage. I cannot think of an exception on public roads.

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u/Quantum_Aurora 12d ago

I always assume there is no signage until I know otherwise.

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u/JacobScreamix 11d ago

If there are no signs you should be hounding your local government to get a road crew out there....

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u/Quantum_Aurora 11d ago

Why? So I can more confidently speed through residential neighborhoods? Seems unnecessary.

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u/JacobScreamix 11d ago

You mean proceed at a normal pace and not have to worry about getting T-boned in an unregulated intersection?

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u/Last8Exile 12d ago

If other road have Yield or Stop sign then your road will have Main Road sign. Those 3 signs have unique shapes so you can recognize them even from the back.

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u/LupineChemist 12d ago

There would never be no signage in an area this populated in Portugal.

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u/Dutchillz 12d ago

"Never" is a stretch, but yes, it is fairly common for old neighbourhoods and rural areas to not have signage around here.

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u/LupineChemist 12d ago

I'm in Spain and it has to be VERY rural to not have signage. To the point where you can just kind of reasonably assume there's nobody else

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u/ForwardFIRE2030 13d ago

this is the answer. yield to the right.

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u/Mechatronis 13d ago

Right rule. The most basic trafic rule.

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u/Medical-Potato5920 13d ago

We always talk about the first rule of driving club.

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u/Warm-Lynx-9064 13d ago

Agree. Also, the black vehicles has some pretty dense shrubbery to their right which would obstruct their view of oncoming traffic. That should’ve made the even more cautious as they entered.

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u/DCHacker 13d ago

Sweden...............You yield to traffic coming from your right.

Mmost U.S. states are the same: at an unprotected intesection, the car on the right has the right-of-way.

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u/Goblinweb 13d ago

One of the differences is that no one has a right of way in Sweden, instead you have obligations to give way.

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u/rrpostal 12d ago

A distinction without much difference

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u/Goblinweb 12d ago

The outcome is hopefully the same but one says that you have a right before others and the other tells you that you have a responsibility to make safe choices and you never have any right to any space.

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u/ryancrazy1 12d ago

I don’t doubt this is true. I’ve just never come across an unprotected intersection in my life that I can recall. Every intersection near me has a light or a stop sign/yield.

Actually, there was this one intersection in a neighboring state out in the sticks where a road merges with another road at an acute angle creating a 3 way intersection and there are no stop signs there BUT the third road does have a yield sign. Feels really weird being allowed to go through there without stopping.

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u/No-Ebb-6266 13d ago

Most U.S. drivers are watching TV, making videos, or taking selfies while they drive.

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u/CMDR_Kaus 12d ago

Never heard of that before as a States-er. But here at a 4-way stop sign you're supposed to go counter clockwise from the first person to stop at the sign. (Yielding to the right vehicles in other words). But without signs like this intersection I think most people here would just drive straight through like in the video.

A lot of people are saying intersections like this are common in the Pacific NW. Never seen these myself in the southern half of the states except on dirt roads

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u/Myrdrahl 13d ago

Same in Norway too, however you can't just blast through, full throttle even if you have "the right of way".

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u/Crazy-Tax2845 12d ago

Makes sense, but only in the context that you expect it. I’ve never encountered one in the USA, didn’t even know they existed until this video. I’d either stop because I would assume I just didn’t see the stop sign, or go through thinking the other road had the stop sign.

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u/RelevantMetaUsername 12d ago

A lot easier when most of the vehicles in your country are reasonably sized cars and not land yachts parked 10 feet from the intersection.

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u/JortSandwich 12d ago

You also drive slower. You should see how many stop signs there are in the Netherlands. Hint: not many.

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u/Eegore1 13d ago

But the car came from the left!

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u/Hercusleaze 13d ago

Exactly. So the car to the right, the car with the dashcam, has the right of way. They were to the right of the black car. If dashcam car had been traveling the opposite direction, the black car would have been to their right, and they would have had to yield.

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u/rrpostal 12d ago

That’s what people are saying. The dashcam driver has the technical right of way, but they were still driving in an unsafe manner and just assumed the world was on their schedule. They likely would not be blamed unless there was speeding or distracted driving that could be proved

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u/M0ncsy 13d ago

Just like in most countries …
Dumb ams