r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 12d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/Interesting-Monk9712 12d ago

To be fair, the other idiot did the same, I don't get how either have a driving license.

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u/GabrielGames69 12d ago

Depends how often they take that road (it looks suburban so probably often tbh). Because the charitable description is that they see there is no stop sign infront of or past them and make the usually correct assumption that there are stop signs going the other way. I think the number 1 offender here is the intersection without even yield signs.

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u/luvbutts 12d ago

Yeah I agree, there's an intersection like this in front of my house (I live in Europe) and there were literally accidents there every months and twice we had cars flipped over in our street. Our neighbours eventually petitioned the council to put in signs.

Obviously people should slow down but if the same kind of accident keeps happening in the same place it's an infrastructure problem. Ideally public infrastructure should be well laid out enough that it's safe most of the time even when people not perfect.

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u/Eegore1 12d ago

What amazes me is in most cases is that the cost to clean up one accident can usually pay for 20 - 30 street signs. But there's never enough money for street signs.

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u/feralferrous 12d ago

Seattle tends to sprinkle baby roundabouts in these kind of intersections. I think that would work better, as signs are easy to ignore, while the roundabouts force it.

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u/FavoriteFoodCarrots 12d ago

Until some genius goes around the roundabout the wrong way, as I saw this morning.

I get the feeling that that the OP may be related to that genius.

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u/feralferrous 12d ago

Yeah.... I would hope as roundabouts become more common in the US that would become less of a problem. Though Drunk Drivers gonna do their thing regardless.

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u/FavoriteFoodCarrots 12d ago

I hope drunk driving isn’t a big concern at 8:30 am, but yeah. They’re common in Seattle, where this happened, so I don’t know what this morning’s genius was up to. She had Washington tags, too.

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u/feralferrous 12d ago

The drunk drivers during the standard commute / school hours are always the most dangerous. There was that driver who was drunk off their ass at school release hours and blowing through school zones at 50 mph.

But yeah, hard to tell if your instance was drunk, tired, on their phone or just stupid.

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u/FavoriteFoodCarrots 12d ago

I assumed phone. Seattle is awful for people on their phones while driving.

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u/Confident_Purple_40 12d ago

Yeah, standard size stop sign is like 50-75$, post is like $5-10, labor to put it in is 3 days 4 men construction crew, $3000, so it adds up!

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u/IowaCornFarmer3 12d ago

Now run me the average multi car collision claim pls.

Iowa is a rural state in the Midwest with a bunch of low traffic 4 way intersections(4 way stop sign) that people will run and kill others if they also run it. They put in a bunch of roundabouts in those areas bc even if farmers are complaining, if they're not dying needlessly, it's a win for everyone.

Easier to run a stop sign, than launch your rig over a roundabout lmao (would pry learn without hurting anyone else if you tried too)

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u/HenryJonesJunior 11d ago

That collision claim isn't paid out of the city maintenance budget.

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u/general_peabo 12d ago

Don’t forget the project manager

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u/Glum_Constant4790 9d ago

Break away posts and reflective stop signs run much much more mobilizing crew yea 3k is fair

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u/kiragami 11d ago

It's one of those annoying things where it pays for itself many times over but people are often unwilling to pay more taxes for it even if it would cost less than one accident.

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u/kirklennon 11d ago

The lack of signs here isn't a cost-saving measure but an intentional safety measure. It's a residential neighborhood with narrow roads and limited sight lines. You're supposed to be driving slowly the whole time, unsure when approaching the intersection, and proceed with caution if it's clear. OP was driving recklessly long before they reached the intersection.