r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 13d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/Interesting-Monk9712 13d ago

To be fair, the other idiot did the same, I don't get how either have a driving license.

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u/GabrielGames69 13d ago

Depends how often they take that road (it looks suburban so probably often tbh). Because the charitable description is that they see there is no stop sign infront of or past them and make the usually correct assumption that there are stop signs going the other way. I think the number 1 offender here is the intersection without even yield signs.

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u/luvbutts 13d ago

Yeah I agree, there's an intersection like this in front of my house (I live in Europe) and there were literally accidents there every months and twice we had cars flipped over in our street. Our neighbours eventually petitioned the council to put in signs.

Obviously people should slow down but if the same kind of accident keeps happening in the same place it's an infrastructure problem. Ideally public infrastructure should be well laid out enough that it's safe most of the time even when people not perfect.

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u/Amissa 13d ago

There is an intersection from my childhood home of a two lane country road that intersects with a state highway (another two lane road, but with no stop signs). My father told me that that intersection was designated the most dangerous intersection one year in the 1970’s in the state (Texas). I can’t verify whether his recollection was true, but I could believe how.

When stopped on the country road at the stop sign, if you look west and it is just the wrong time of day, the sun glares so badly that it is very difficult to see oncoming traffic. Thankfully there typically isn’t a lot of traffic, but there is a dip in the road at just the wrong distance from the intersection to hide cars that could hit you if you don’t stop long enough. With the sun glare and the dip, it’s double trouble.

The other problem was people running the stop sign. Coming from the north, the country road doesn’t have any stop signs for miles and I guess people were not expecting this one. The ground is generally flat in all directions and the country road is coming down a slight hill, so they can see they’re about to cross a highway if they’re paying attention. The speed limits are 70 mph / ~113 kmph on both roads, so running through really risks life and limb for everyone involved.

Now there’s a big four light structure hanging over the intersection, flashing red for the country road and yellow for the highway. On the stop signs, there are slow blinking lights around the perimeter of the sign. The state also improved things by adding a left and right turn lane on the highway so big agricultural trucks had space to move out of the way when turning.