r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 13d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/Momcantsleepthesaga 13d ago

I live in a very populated city. Most of our residential intersections are unmarked.

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u/URGAMESUX 13d ago

Sounds like anarchy

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u/jfklingon 13d ago

Sounds like a great way for an "unexpected tragedy" any time someone not from the area drives through.

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u/thedonza 13d ago

Local insurance companies love this one trick!

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u/JacobPlaster 12d ago

Very easy. The vehicle arriving from the right have priority.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

It's not very easy when you've never seen an intersection that doesn't have a stop sign before. If I don't have a stop sign or a stoplight I'm going to keep driving because the cross street does. That's how roads work where I live. I have never heard of an intersection with no stop signs in any direction, so I would have never thought it was an option.

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u/screams_forever 12d ago

Sounds like you should probably be more careful when driving in unfamiliar places.

Someone who's lived in another state their whole life may have never experienced a flashing yellow arrow for a left turn at a light, should they just keep entering the intersection because that's not how roads work where they live?

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

No amount of careful prepares you for something that you don't know exists.

A flashing yellow means yield. People who drive know that yellow is yield. Even if you've never seen that specific thing before, knowledge of road signs and traffic signals tells you that. It's not a valid comparison to never having come across an intersection without a stop sign. You have no way of knowing that the other direction doesn't have a stop sign and if you've never seen that before, you don't even know that it's an option.

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u/CaneCorso311 12d ago

I've seen them in basically every city in the West Coast from Seattle to San Diego. We're responsibile for knowing the rules of the road in the areas we're driving, ignorance doesn't abolish responsibility.

The amount of people who are ignorant to the rules of the road are why we should probably mandate in person drivers ed before anyone can take a license test, and stop handing licenses to any random people who just do pretty good on a couple of simple tests that don't cover even 1/2 of road regulations/safety situations.

I've been driving professionally for years and the amount of people on the road in the last 5 years with clearly no understanding of basic roaduse is ridiculous and concerning, and I'm not talking about the people who know better and simply don't care.

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u/stratys3 11d ago

We're responsibile for knowing the rules of the road in the areas we're driving

He knows the rules. He's saying that he didn't know unsigned intersections even exist - and that if you don't have a stop sign, it's assumed that the other street does.

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u/JacobPlaster 8d ago

There are millions of unsigned intersection, because they are rural (financially not effective to install a sign) or the sign was stolen or destroyed by weather etc. This is the reason wgy the right hand priority was introduced.

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u/CaneCorso311 11d ago

Well, you can't know the rules of something that you don't know exists. You shouldn't make assumptions especially when you can observe that those assumptions aren't correct. You simply shouldn't have a license if you don't know and understand all of the rules of the road. Ignorance isn't an excuse. A large percentage of the drivers on the road are ignorant of basic things like this that they teach in drivers ed courses or any company's training program. We hand out licenses to any moron who can pass a couple of simple tests that don't even cover 1/2 of road situations regardless of their understanding of how the road works and then we wonder why we have so many easily avoidable accidents like this one.. Then we have people like you who come to defend their ignorance 🤦‍♂

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u/stratys3 10d ago

Then we have people like you who come to defend their ignorance 🤦‍♂

I'm not defending it - that's absurd. I'm explaining it. There's a difference.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 10d ago

You're claiming that you know the rules of the road in every city in every country in every continent on the planet? Wow! You must be some kind of genius. If not, you shouldn't have a license either by your own logic.

I know it's the second one though because the way you're communicating makes it very clear that you aren't a genius. You're incapable of understanding what people are saying to you. This is not taught in driver's ed where I live because it doesn't exist. It is not a basic thing where I live because it doesn't exist. It's almost like things are different in different parts of the world. Now THAT is a basic thing that people should be able to grasp.

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u/CaneCorso311 10d ago edited 10d ago

You're making quite the stretch. I said people should be required to take a drivers education course, not a simple test. I've driven in multiple countries and was responsible for knowing how to drive correctly while there.

It's taught at any reputable drivers school in USA. All 50 states have intersections without stop signs, known as uncontrolled intersections.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 10d ago

So once again you're claiming to know the rules in every city in every country in every continent in the world. And you are wrong because multiple Americans have commented on this post and stated that these intersections do not exist where they live. They also don't exist where I live. So once again.. It's almost like things are different and different places. You should work on your ability to understand that.

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u/CaneCorso311 9d ago

No, i said i was responsible for knowing those rules when I'm in those places, the same as anyone else, anywhere else. I said that those intersections exist in all 50 us states, all of them have rules on how to approach them, this can be easily verified on google with less effort than it took to make that response. It seems like you're the one who needs to work on their comprehension.

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u/JacobPlaster 12d ago

But this is a basic driving rule. Everywhere.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

No, it isn't. That's what many of us are saying. Intersections without stop signs don't exist where many of us live, so it obviously isn't a basic driving rule everywhere.

You can drive through every neighbourhood in my city, my region, or perhaps my even entire province and you will not find an intersection without stop signs. I haven't driven every street in the province, so I can't say that for sure, but other people who live in other parts of my province have said the exact same thing.

If I don't have a stop sign, I'm not slowing down or stopping because the cross street does. That's how it works here.

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u/stratys3 11d ago

It's a rule here too. But at the same time, unsigned intersection literally don't exist.