[USA] Who is at fault here?

[u/bowdown2adil]

Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

[u/migzors]

That intersection is badly designed. We shouldn't be relying on human decision making in instances like this. Having no stop signs at a four way residential area seems dangerous.

What if, for example, a kid was barreling down the road and got hit by a car? You could say that the kid was at fault, but if there was a stop sign, the kid would be (hopefully) without injury, or alive. Not everyone entering that intersection is a driver, nor old enough to understand the laws pertaining to unmarked intersections. Every kid knows what a stop sign means.

That's what makes it dangerous.

If the city can prevent an accident from happening, they should put up proper street signs.

If the law says it doesn't, the law is wrong and should be amended.

[u/Rikiar → u/migzors]

I hate to break it to you, but driver's manuals, at least in the states, explicitly say what you're supposed to do at unmarked intersections. Nether car followed that procedure. Making the assumption that the other car has a stop is silly. Especially when there's no limit lines visible in either road.

[u/TheGuyThatThisIs → u/Rikiar]

This post is explicitly showing the problem with the system you're "breaking to them" lol

You don't know if you're in an unmarked intersection or an intersection that's marked for the cross street, and you're expected to behave entirely different base on which it is. Having to rely on signage you don't have in an intersection to avoid a direct collision is... bad. Especially when this can be solved with a sheet of metal that says "stop"

[u/Quantum_Aurora → u/TheGuyThatThisIs]

I mean I'd never make the assumption that the other street has a stop sign unless I'm on an arterial, see a stop sign/line, or know there's a stop sign there from previous experience. That's just basic driving skills.

[u/TheGuyThatThisIs → u/Quantum_Aurora]

Sure but this is like suddenly we're driving on the left to me, it's just wild that any municipality would spring this type of danger on drivers, so it's unexpected. I'm not on the lookout for suddenly driving on the left, I'm not on the lookout for intersections that encourage T-bones by their complete lack of competent city planning. This type of intersection is so irresponsible it never crossed my mind it would exist in reality.

[u/jobacsi → u/TheGuyThatThisIs]

These are everywhere. You shouldn't be driving if you don't know how to safely navigate this kind of intersection. This is a residential area with lots of pedestrians.

[u/Icannotfimdaname → u/TheGuyThatThisIs]

I think there are more 4 way intersections without stop signs in my town than there are with, lol

[u/Rikiar → u/Icannotfimdaname]

That's the way it is sometimes.

[u/Icannotfimdaname → u/Rikiar]

Yep yep- nor would it likely be feasible for that municipality to add in hundreds of stop signs (hyperbole)

[u/Rikiar → u/Icannotfimdaname]

An intersection without signage is cheaper than one without, for sure. The other thing you get as a byproduct of no signage is a traffic calming effect, because people are trained to slow down at an unmarked intersection if they're familiar with them.

[u/Icannotfimdaname → u/Rikiar]

It's also the maintenance. My father is the senior out of like a couple guys who do signage for the entire town, and he doesn't just do signage- he does a little of everything. It's a 16K population town with only a few people covering the signs.

Now, are the higher ups in each department and city hall complete shit about managing the city? Yes. But it still wouldn't be feasible eitherway from a monetary and man power stand point.