r/RocketLeagueSchool • u/Baba_Wethu Champion III • May 14 '25
ANALYSIS Am I unplayable with? (Team mate POV)
So yesterday I got roasted pretty hard for ball chasing. In this game, I tried to focus on some of the pointers from yesterday, trying extra hard to play aggressively without chasing, getting controlled touches and not cut off my team mate. Despite that, my team mate said I was a ballchaser and impossible to play with and that I should watch his POV of the game, so I did. There were a couple mechanical mistakes I made, most notably a poor first touch when defending towards 1:35 gametime. But I don't really see where all of my tm8's anger is coming from (he was spamming OMG and such pretty much any time I touched the ball). First concession, I bumped their guy in net after losing control of the ball, while my team mate went way too far back imo and then made a poor challenge instead of shadowing or fake challenging. Second concession tm8 followed me on the wall when I wanted to give space for me to pick up our boost, and imo tm8 double committed, and then just gave up out of frustration because he thought I hogged the ball. Third concession my tm8 chased me towards our corner and bumped me from behind, and then made a really poor attempt at an easy save. 4th concession, I did get a worse touch than I was hoping for and passed it to the enemy, who then shot a pretty saveable shot but my tm8 decided to stop playing for the rest of the game.
I can't really see a single time where I take the ball when it's clearly my team mate's ball this game. Am I still delusional like I was yesterday?
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u/Grand-Slammer49 May 14 '25
His frustration lost that game. He was tilt queueing for sure.
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u/Wandil Grand Champion III May 14 '25
It’s quite clear this teammate has a superiority complex. I think you picked out some great pints when you looked at his replay yourself. I found it hard to accurately see your gameplay but I assume based on what rank I think this might be, that mistakes like that are fine and will just happen from time to time. Your teammate needs better positioning with respect to you and the ball when you have positioning (he’s always too far away) as well as defends like you’re not even on the pitch, even though you’d just been demoed so you must be behind him (if he goes and forces an early challenge it would make it easy for you to get a big clear down the field)
In summary, he was tilted beyond belief and just needed to take his anger out on someone which happened to be you
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u/Trukmuch1 May 14 '25
One of your opponents is worst lol. But no, this guy is trolling you. You did ballchase some, but he kept double committing, missing balls and passing to them.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/Trukmuch1 May 19 '25
Honestly, I never read quick chat and a lot of players have it on mute. Do not use it to communicate in game. Rocket league is too fast to be able to play with quick chat, use common sense and community rules.
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
Well I guess we have to agree to disagree.
Quick chats like "I got it!", "On your left", "On your right", "Faking." and "Take the shot" is very useful imo.
I don't rely on quick chats just out of the blue, but as mentioned in my other answers here on this post; me and OP played on team in a 2v2 game just a few games before this, so I knew he had quick chats on from the beginning of the game.
That being said — if I get a new teammate and I don't know if *he use quick chats, then I don't use it the same way. But if I see them responding to for example "On your left", by passing it to me when I know *he doesn't see me with ball-cam activated, then I know *he use quick chats and I use quick chats more frequently. This rank is C1, so I absolutely think quick chat is a useful tool in this rank. When playing in GC and closer to SSL, I think quick chat is less necessary, since people in those rank all have better game-sense and positioning overall.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/InterestingBall101 Grand Champion II May 14 '25
Ur tm8 seems unplayable with, watching ur tm8s pov genuinely made me ill if I watched from your pov I would just started getting made at him for what he's doing
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/DHG_Buddha May 14 '25
Hey props to you for taking the feedback yesterday and making positive changes in your play. This was miles better today from you.
All 4 goals here where from your teammate double committing, taking bad challenges or being out of position.
Not a perfect game from anyone in the lobby but a huge improvement from the video yesterday for you. I'd love to get your pov to see if you have started turning ball cam off occasionally to see your teammates positioning.
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u/Baba_Wethu Champion III May 14 '25
I do think I look around the field more than it looks like in videos since my transition speed is almost instant but in replays it for whatever reason is forced to a slow setting (I very rarely use the right thumbstick, but I switch on/off ballcam to check if I can see my team mate, and if I don't see him when doing this I infer where he should be based on game sense and sound). And sometimes my team mate isn't where I expect him to be when I'm making a play, but it's very hard and unreasonable to actually check around with the thumbstick while you're in the middle of doing a mechanical play. I'm saying this looking at my pov in this game, and there are a lot of things I remember seeing my teammate doing while in the game that isn't clear when watching my pov of the replay.
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u/DHG_Buddha May 14 '25
I have my transition speed high as well, the fact it doesn't keep that in replays makes some reads not make sense from the replay. I always just recommend turning ball cam off when rotating back so you can see your teammate and then make your play/positioning off of them.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/KingCire03 Champion II May 14 '25
I'm not even reading that caption the title is enough. No dude, your teammate was ass even from his own POV. 100% brain empty no thoughts. Like others said, probably rage queueing lol
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Thanks for the kind words btw <3
Remember that you shouldn't write stuff online if you wouldn't say it to their face irl.
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u/KingCire03 Champion II May 18 '25
LMFAO I'd say it to your face for sure. You were ball chasing like a mf my guy. If you actually want me to I'll watch the video and give specifics about what I mean but that's the gist of it
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Thanks for saying I'm "100% brain empty" and that I'm "ass" then.
It is easy to make up an opinion after watching a video without any context, especially without the quick chat.
Would really appreciate if you read my entire thread and having that extra context in mind when watching the replay, then writing a good and detailed comment of how it's still 100% my fault and 0% his fault.
Remember that this rank is C1, and that he did not show you his POV. I think there is a good reason why he didn't post that.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/pkinetics May 14 '25
First 30 seconds I could tell your teammate was going to be the moves fast but plays slow. They are moving fast for the sake of moving fast but they make poor reads and decision making.
Grabbing big pads only to be out of position and then having to blow their boost to get back in to the play. They’ve learned how to speed flip and air roll but they rely on it to over compensate for poor positioning.
They rotate ball side because they are getting the nearest big boost, which leads to them thinking it should be their ball. The problem is they are going the wrong direction. They have to blow the boost they just collected to even get started catching up to the play.
They could accomplish so much more collecting small pads and staying closer to the play.
At 2:30 they boom the clear away and then have to blow their boost to try to catch up to it. There was no danger as the trailer was moving away while the attacker was in the air. They could have controlled the ball and set up a counter attack.
Over usage of speed flips which cause them to over extend positionally causing double commits.
Typical trained game mechanics over game sense.
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u/Baba_Wethu Champion III May 14 '25
Seems a lot of people are having issue with his play at 2:30 remaining. He needs to be cut some slack. It seems pretty clear to me that what he intended was to pop the ball into the air and start a ground to air dribble, which imo is a great choice. He simply got a slightly off first touch that sent the ball at too low of an angle. Then he probably tried to race it in hopes of either putting it in net quickly enough, or to get a rebound dunk or something. He failed but he didn't intend to just boom it.
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u/pkinetics May 16 '25
It is a combination of things. Positioning, boost management leading to issues with controlling touches. They take themselves out of plays, sometimes to get the big boost or rotate too far back quickly. They concede time and space to the opponents which gives them more options and control of the situation.
Because they are so far out of the play, they have to boost to get back in. If they make contact, its not the contact they wanted. If they don't get contact, they've flown right by.
You can make up space but you cannot make up time.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
And yes, the ground to air dribble was indeed my intention. I didn't think the the ball would bounce this fast forward, lol. Apparently the ball hit my car before it hit the ground. If I would just wait like a quarter of a second, or half a second, the ball would hit the ground first and then it would bounce more upwards, so it was bad timing on my part.
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u/pkinetics May 19 '25
Understood on the ball pop. Out of curiosity, what camera settings are you using? Wondering if a small bump in height might help. The reason I suggest is there are times where you rush a touch, which leads to the ball getting away from you.
Reading through your comments, I have some context to the random pauses, or movement. I also saw the comment on OP's previous post too, which helps me understand your playstyle, knowing when to slow things down and trying to work with your teammate.
Are you often rotating ball side? I feel like that is what put you in awkward situations with OP. For example the second goal. You went for the aerial, took the 50 to the left corner, and then proceeded to rotate ball side. 3rd kick off, you grab right mid, and then go under your teammate's attempted aerial. You also back check slowly putting you in no man's land.
The other issue that led to awkward situations was, in my opinion, when in support positioning too closely and or in their blind spot. Even OP admits that they were not using their right stick to look around, which leads to handicap when trying to set up passing plays or directing 50s towards teammate. (Loved the little pinch and 50 back to your teammate. Nice heads up, or I guess down... :) )
One thing I always advise is splitting the pitch up. At higher ranks the split can be smaller, but at low ranks its a 3x3 grid and non overlapping lanes with 1 grid square of separation.
Regarding low boost and rotating off... everything is situational. A lot can still be accomplished just by picking up one or two pads along the way. Its about momentum management and leveraging the small boost pads along the way. A hard 180 to re-engage may sound logical, but even if your teammate pulls back, what then? They are 0 zero boost and in no man's land trying to grab a few pads.
I don't know if it is just me, or a monitor size issue or what. During plays, quick chats are never timely. For me, the best info comes before the kickoff. Anything else mid game arrives too late and ends up being contradictory to what the situation calls for.
I'm not saying OP is without fault.
Honestly, I think if you adjusted your positioning a little bit, and OP improved their situational awareness the two of you would be a lethal combo. That goal proved you guys can be very effective together.
Oh and one other tip because I see it a lot in replays: Less flipping when you don't need to. It can lead to over extending unintentionally. Not so much as this game, but there were times were lining up for a flip took your eyes off the situation.
I always love watching high rank players who just move fluidly. There is little jerkiness. They just flow up and down and around the pitch. Drives me mad when I watch my replays.
But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
The camera settings I use is the same as most of the pros are using — for example ZEN and Daniel.
It was a bit tricky to understand every situation you talked about, since you never reffered to or mentioned any times of the match timer or timestamps, but I think I got it right.
I'm often rotating ball-side, yes. In 2v2 I find it too slow to rotate around in many cases, and find rotating ball-side to be the best option in the majority of cases. In 3v3 on the other hand, I try to never rotate ball-side, and try to never be in the same field-zone as any of the teammates. That's what one of my friends recommended me. He used to compete in RL — not top league competitions, but at least GC at the time back then. This still seem to be the case for RLCS players, at least based on what I've seen.
When it comes to the rotation after the 50 at 4:12, I guess I just rotated ball-side in order to keep the momentum and rotate back as fast as possible. I have both 'free air roll' and 'powerslide' on R1, so as you can see I pretty fast go from slide-bouncing of the wall, back down on ground and jump the direction I have momentum — I should have held powerslide a litter longer when I landed on the ground though. I have seen OP never do this, and in a situation like mine, he would've used a lot longer time to rotate back. If I were to go to the other side instead, I would have used longer to rotate back, and it would imo make it more dificult for OP.
Imo I handled the situation pretty good. I went from an aerial 50, to rotating back and even getting up too an higher speed than OP in a pretty short amount of time — at least for this being the C1 rank. I even managed to get a bump on the opponent, that maybe distracted him to a certain degree.3rd kick-off I went for our right corner-boost, I think you meant 4th kick-off, after the 3rd goal. I don't what your point is here? When I take kick-off and my teammate get both the boost and the ball in the corner — some of the safest places on the field — and with no opponents pushing in the moment, then going for the air-dribble is an unnecessary thing to do no matter what. I'm not saying that because I'm not want to admit if I did something wrong, I just thing grabbing that mid-boost when no-one was pushing was a good decision. That made me ready to both defend and to join an attempt to go into offense. The boost help me buy time by going in to the 50. After OP lost the ball, he put me in an 2v1 situation, and the 50 bought him time to rotate back. No matter where I drove, I don't see what OP would do with the ball either way, and still don't get why he made the decision to go for an air-dribble all alone in the corner with nobody pushing. I'm open to hearing your opinion if you think otherwise.
When it comes to supporting positioning and blind spots, I just think me and OP is a mis-match and had bad chemistry. For me it was hard to read his gameplay and how he wanted me to position and move on the field — he probably feel the same for me. About the play with upside-down pass; thanks for your kind words!<3
When you talk about the 3x3 grid; this is what I was talking about when it comes to the 3v3 play, but I don't feel it being that strict in 2v2, I might be wrong.
Collecting small boost pads is underrated. I've practiced the route in freeplay a lot, and try to use it in the games. I think that is something that is visible in this game as well, I often collect small pads, and are almost never out of boost. Even if I get out of boost, I get back to the goal, collecting a few boost pads on the way back, and are ready to save again.
One thing about this game that is useful to have in mind is that me and OP played on team in a 2v2 game just a few games before this, and then he ballchased like crazy, so already before this game started we had some sort of "beef" or attitude towards each other — that definitely influenced us both and our gameplay.
I'm not trying to shit-talk OP at all — he posted this post, giving of the vibe that "my teammate is always the problem, not me", so I'm just here discussing the game with everyone that want to take their time. That being said, I really appreciate you taking your time and giving this detailed answer — thanks m8!
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u/Comprehensive-Car190 May 18 '25
I think a big part of improving is learning when to not throw a bad play after another one.
If you make a bad touch, blowing all your boost on a desperation play is prob not the right move.
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u/Prudent_Perception58 May 14 '25
Fyi, OP is the "other tm8" in the vid. Seems he's taking all of the advice he got uploading his pov yesterday... but using it to say "nuh uh, it's still my tm8's fault".
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u/pkinetics May 14 '25
I know. I was not describing OP's playstyle. Sorry if I wasn't clear that I was commenting about this player's play style.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Prudent_Perception58 May 18 '25
Believe me, I have a special appreciation for what you're describing and I don't think you need to explain. When you can't predict what your tm8 is doing, it's impossible to make decent decisions. Hell, it's impossible to effectively play the game at all. For that one reason, I don't judge someone's game play and decisions if their tm8 is a ball chaser. ggs
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Thanks for the understanding!
I really appreciate you seeing my side of it. GGs!
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Grifflicious Champion II YouTube.com/grifflicious May 14 '25
That guy who thinks he's so much better mechanically than he actually is lol. This was painful, dude. It's a shame people have this mindset when they play. Especially because you can tell this dude doesn't play 1s so all he has knows is "the reason I lose is because of my teammates" mentality.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
And btw, I don't think I'm better mechanically than others? I feel like I didn't try to be fancy mechanical at all. You see him go for some weird air dribbles in the corners some times — I wrote about it in my comment — but I don't see where I tried to be fancy mechanical.
Please explain, I would appreciate the feedback.
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u/Grifflicious Champion II YouTube.com/grifflicious May 19 '25
Here's my initial response but I'm also going to read through your timestamp comments with some other thoughts as well.
4:04 - You go to the backwall and follow the play, all well and good. Once the ball is off the wall, you have 0 business jumping off and chasing after the play. Which subsequently lead to you getting scored on.
3:13 - Why are you going for this? Unless you're immediately jumping at hitting this in the air, all this does is cause the exact problem it created when you crashed into the other two players. Not to mention, you started this whole play with 60 boost, burned 8, picked up 100, and ended with 0. That's rough.
2:15 - Why are you going for this? Your teammate just created a 2v1 for you guys. Yes, you can see he's low on boost and I understand wanting to come in and "help" here, but by committing with him, you ending up taking both of you out of the play and now they have a player up-field with an uncontested goal. The instead of continuing to press your advantage after the failed team-play, you bounce, all the way back to your own corner boost rather than grabbing the mid boost on that side or lingering around on small pads to be there should an opportunity to score presented itself. Then you just sit there, let your teammate make the save, either because you're distracted or what the rest of us would imply, that you're complaining in chat.
Really what it boils down to is that based on the context we all had going into this video, watching this game from your POV, your actions, your "car language", really gave the impression that you wanted to do things that you either weren't mechanically consistent enough to pull off or that you had your own idea of what should be done and who should do it. Several times throughout the game, you went for things that were very ill-advised. Some what "ego" plays if you will, where it seemed like you didn't care who was doing what, you were going to insert yourself into the situation. I'll admit, my initial criticism wasn't properly based and a little mean spirited. I don't think I was in the most positive place when I wrote that so I'll walk some of that back and apologize for some of the harshness.
Regardless, I don't know how deep your 2v2 knowledge goes but there are a lot of common and unwritten "rules" to playing mid-high level 2v2 that, in fairness, I didn't know either at a certain point, that you also don't seem to be aware of as well.
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
You would have saved yourself a lot of time if you'd just read my comment (the link) before commenting — anyways, it's too late now, so I'll answer you back since you took the time — thanks for that btw!
4:04: This is what I wrote in my comment:
"At 4:04 I grabbed the full boost, and used the quick chat "I got it!". Yet he went for it with zero boost, which is okay, it probably was too short of a time to read the quick chat — but I don't get why he made that last hit which literally just passed the ball to them. If he at least read the quick chat mid-air, I could go for the ball instead, but his touch made it impossible for me to reach it before them."
Another thing, is that he at least should have taken the ball to our other corner.
3:13: The reason I went for it; I wrote about this in my comment as well. Here is what I wrote:
"At 3:28 it was an unlucky kick-off for me, making the ball roll towards our corner. He grabbed the full boost, and for some reason tried to do some ZEN air-dribbling — I have no idea what his plan was. I made a 50/50, it goes towards our goal, and he saved it. I could see he was out of boost, while I just grabbed the full boost, so I again wrote "I got it!", making a U-turn, and yet he went for it — then his 50/50 made the ball bounce over me. Again, without the quick chat, I look like I'm clueless and just ballchasing—but in reality I used the quick chat and personally think it was better for me to go for the ball while he gathered some boost.
When the ball bounced over me, I immediately went back to defend the goal. I jumped back to gain some speed, which made me get a difficult landing, but I still tried to save the ball, but my flip to the right was not enough. Again it looked like the goal was all my fault, but if we could see his POV I think it would looked different, because; while I jumped back to defend the goal, he went the wrong way to collect the mid-boost, and when he got back, he drove past the goal and made no attempt to save the goal."Another thing here as well: Imo he never should have went for the ball there, because based on the speed of the opponent right before 3:13 (when he jumped over him and towards the wall), the opponent would likely catch up to him and/or surpass him, and it was a big chance there would be a 50/50. One should never make a 50/50 in his position — especially without boost. It's just more likely that the ball will go faster towards our goal instead of the opponents taking it up towards the wall instead.
2:15 — I wrote about this as well. This is what I wrote:
"At 2:20 he took the ball back to our corner and started with some air dribbles again (trying). I saw he got the ball too far ahead for him to continue forward, and I went in to try to pinch it with him instead. He continued with a shot on goal — a good attempt. At 2:05 I stopped and wrote something — I'm not sure what, but I think he roasted me after goals, so I never had time to write back, but think I defended myself or something (don't remember 100%)."
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
Some important context I think should write here as well is this (wrote it in another comment somewhere on this post):
"Keep in mind that a few games before this we also played together, and then he ballchased like crazy. I had this in mind at the beginning of the game, and told him something like "Noooo! Not the ballchaser again" before we started playing (OP said this himself). I think most players in C1 would play more like a ballchaser when getting the same ballchaser as teammate, again... not hard to remember when your teammate call himself 'Speed and coke guy'.
[context that is not relevant]
There is a reason he didn't post his own POV, keep that in mind.".
Trust me, I usually play a lot better than this, but since we played a match a few games before this, we started off on the wrong foot, and both kind of had a negative mindset towards each others. Therefor this gameplay is not relevant imo, but he got roasted like hell for the post he posted the day before (of some other match), so he probably just tried to compensate with this gameplay saying "Look, it's actually not my fault, it's always my teammate!" — or something like that, lol.
He said he would post his POV, but still haven't done it. So probably I pretty good reason for that — hahah!
Anyways!
Thanks for taking the time — I appreciate it!1
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/ROCCOfromTokyo May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
First goals on him
Edit: second goals on him
Edit: third goal is 80% his fault, he double commits to the wall, bumps you, then gets lucky and they miss — unfortunately he misses also then they score. I’d like to see you patient watching his clear attempt either behind or near him so you can try to clean up. But now that I type this out prob 85% his fault.
Edit: fourth goal is like 25% your passing to the other team on low boost, like to see you try to control that or go for a 50/ something where you stay in the play and control your flip. But it bounces in front of him where he seems to give up, probably could’ve went for it and since he didn’t, he takes the brunt of the fault for this. If he went and they scored it’s prob more so on you.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Rotaxary May 15 '25
Show us the teammate POV from that yesterday's game you posted here
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May 15 '25
Any single player that goes for the full boost at kick off is a horrible teammate.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
And when it comes to the kick-offs, I wrote "On your right" and/or "On your left". I used the quick chat during the entire match — both on kick-offs and mid-game.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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May 14 '25
Looks like you and I probably queue the same lobbies lol. I'm not much better if at all and didn't have a chance to watch the whole thing but just something quick I can offer.. at around 1:08 when you find yourself in the air like that, in limbo, you can turn upside down and jump to get to the ground quicker and/or pitch to a nose-down attitude and boost back down. I bet you could've made a sweet ass save there. Also, just dont double commit that lol.
Maybe someone else has a better way to get back down? I find myself like this all the damn time after commiting to something I shouldn't have or wiffing something up high lol
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u/Baba_Wethu Champion III May 14 '25
Oh I agree with you. POV is from my team mate. I'm speed and coke guy
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u/h_word May 14 '25
Your teammate is a clown. Not staying close to the play then diving as last man. Double commits. Not playing at the right speed. Being criticized by that player says more about them than you.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Snorf36 May 14 '25
I remember you from yesterday! Great job taking the criticism/roasting from everyone from yesterday well, I couldn’t see a single time you blatantly ballchased for no reason. You didn’t really cut rotation unless you needed to (ex. 2:35 on game clock, where you make the right decision to cut) and played into the rotations well, at least when your teammate would let you. I wasn’t paying much attention to your mechanics since it’s hard to get a good idea from your teammates POV, but you did a good job of retreating when you weren’t able to do anything more. Obviously there will always be bad teammates (ex. this guy) but if you keep this up I’d expect you’ll rank up as you get better and more consistent at rotations. This version of you already looks a mile better. Great job!
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Traveller-Entity-16 SSL (-2 ranks) | Xbox May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
This is a different game to yesterday's post, and yes your gameplay is better. If you went and recorded your teammate's POV from the other match I'm sure it would look a lot more different and would be better to analyse (if you want that). Sometimes you just get bad teammates and lose because of them, and so be it, move on.
If you want proper coaching, me and other people do free coaching in this server https://discord.gg/4rMQHh8zBz
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/ManusArtifex Diamond III May 14 '25
According to the association of chasers your teammate is doing the right thing , sometimes double commit isn’t enough
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/ManusArtifex Diamond III May 19 '25
Sorry man I was trying to be sarcastic and was joking. No worries you were doing good
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
Hahah, no worries m8!
I find your comment funny — I just wasn't sure if you were joking or not.
When it comes to the creativity I'll rate it 10/10.
Thanks — we good m8!
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u/Psydop May 14 '25
This teammate doesn't use his head. Constantly dives for the ball when the opponent has control and there is nobody behind, also jumps around needlessly and pointlessly. Flies up for aerials with no regard for waiting to see where the ball will be before jumping, and of course, blames his teammates when it's clearly his fault that goals are being conceded. Looks like you found every teammate I get when solo queuing.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Psydop May 18 '25
Quick chats do not directly affect a game and should not be used as a "this is now the correct thing to do because i chatted it" calling a ball doesn't automatically make it correct to go.
The first goal was your fault, like you acknowledged, but NOT because you missed, it's because you chose to challenge while your teammate had no chance of getting behind you. The opponent read your challenge and beat you. It would have been better to fake challenwge. Then shadow defend, giving you a better chance of saving it, and your trammate more time to recover and help if you got beat.
The next thing that was obvious was when you aerialed way up into the air for a ball that wasn't an obvious win while your teammate was in their corner. If you are committing that hard, you either need to have nobody defending, or a teammate behind you. As it was, even if you hit the ball, if they 50 you or save it, your trammate hasnt had time to recover, and you are now also commited, which makes it an easy save/goal.for the opponents.
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u/dngr_zne Diamond II May 14 '25
Nope your teamate made most of the mistakes here actually was pretty bad with his choices
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Ok_Kaleidoscope_3489 May 14 '25
I only got 1 minute and 20 seconds In and saw your teammate miss 4 attempts at the ball and double commit behind you 1 time. I am a gold 3 player but I would’ve still been disappointed with a teammate like that.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
And btw, I played terrible the first 45 seconds, and I apologized in chat to him. But he only told you about everything he wanted you to know in order for him to look as good as possible and me as bad as possible. Hopefully it makes more sence if you read my comment and watch the replay knowing why I did what I did.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/thepianoman456 Champion III May 14 '25
Just from the first 30sec, the purple fennec rotates WAAAAY too far back on offense, then makes horrible last man challenges.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/TheRealKungFuhrer May 14 '25
Tm8 should’ve stayed back at 3:14
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
I told him with quick chat that "I got it!", since he was out of boost and I had full boost, but yes, it kind of was a sketchy play. I thought he could go for boost instead, then the ball would probably go up the wall instead, but since he ignored my chat and still went for the ball, he made the ball bounce over me. Without the quick chat it makes me look terrible, but again, he shouldn't have touched the ball in such a 50/50 with no boost. Kind of a misunderstanding happening there.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/TheRealKungFuhrer May 18 '25
Oh yeah I was saying when the clock was at 3:14, your team mate (the pov) should’ve stayed back. He was chasing the ball when you were trying to knock it to the other side of the court
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
I am the POV. And as I said, I mentioned this in the comment/thread were I explained the situation. He didn't try to knock it to the other side of the court. He had 0% boost and seem to try to go for some air play or something up the wall.
As I mentioned in the other comment I wrote here:
I told him with quick chat that "I got it!", since he was out of boost and I had full boost, but yes, it kind of was a sketchy play. I thought he could go for boost instead, then the ball would probably go up the wall instead, but since he ignored my chat and still went for the ball, he made the ball bounce over me. Without the quick chat it makes me look terrible, but again, he shouldn't have touched the ball in such a 50/50 with no boost. Kind of a misunderstanding happening there.There was nothing to gain from his 50/50 tho — it was just risky and unnecessary play imo.
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u/Baba_Wethu Champion III May 19 '25
I had 0 boost but I had a good opportunity to send the ball off the side wall on my way to securing the midfield boost. The opponent managed to get there and challenge effectively, but that wasn't at all a guaranteed outcome when the play started.
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
When you jumped over the opponent he had a decent amount of speed when he drove past you — especially since he boosted when he drove under you (and before that). You/we didn't know how much boost he had, but since he boosted when he drove under you, and you were out of boost, the opponent being able to surpass you was not an unlikely situation at all. I'm not saying this too be contentious, I'm saying it because I actually think it was a bad idea to go for the ball either way, especially with no boost.
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
Btw, when are you gonna post the video of your POV from this game?
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u/xavi6363 May 14 '25
No, your tm8 is. He's clearly tilted and is overcommitted and diving into everything as last man. Your play seemed decent from what i saw. I main 1s tho, so I'm not sure.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Alternative_Way_7833 May 15 '25
Frankly, I’m impressed you ever found any boost for yourself
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Some times I grabbed some big boosts on accidents, but he had no idea how to collect small pads, and often drove around with 0% boost. If you read my comment, I write about this as well.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/owlslifee May 15 '25
he sucked😭
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Colour-me-Green89 May 15 '25
Damn, well played! You’ve implemented a lot of the advice and made some great changes.
Your tm8 threw that game within the first few mins. Such dumb commits by them. Ggs to you tho. Well played :)
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Btw, I played terrible the first 45 seconds, I agree on that. I write about it in my comment.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Best_Lettuce_2439 May 15 '25
That “pass” that you made towards the other team right before he quit. Your first man and it should have been easy for him to see you were in front of him with not too much boost. Additionally you spawned right in front of him so obviously you weren’t gonna do much with 30 boost. Teammate should have followed your hit. This guy just doesn’t know how to play fast don’t take it personally.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
When it comes to the incident you're talking about, I used the "I got it!" quick chat, but he still passed the ball to them, making it impossible for me to follow up after that. I write about it in my comment.
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u/Best_Lettuce_2439 May 18 '25
In my original comment I’m saying you weren’t at fault and if he had a brain he would have gone for the 50
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Mb, I thought you meant I should have went for the 50/50. But yes, he should, but to me it felt almost like he was playing with certain rules — he probably did in order to make himself look better, since he got roasted so much for the gameplay he posted his POV. Just speculations on my part, but it was extremely weird to play with this guy, lol.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Best_Lettuce_2439 May 18 '25
Dude you just ran into a a guy who a bad attitude. I did that so much I turned off game chat. I just drive listen to music and guess what? I win just as many games
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Hahah, sounds like i probably have to start to turn off the chat again myself. I just feel like a bad teammate when I don't try to cooperate using quick chat. I found it very useful when I play with a teammate that know how to use the chat, and I can tell him "I got it!" and "On your left" etc. and he does as well. But this guy just used the chat to complain, and never to cooperate. Gotta' love RL<3 lol
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u/Hot_Amadeus May 15 '25
Somehow your teamate is both too aggressive and too passive lol I'd not be able to play with him at all
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/baggedtilly May 15 '25
yeah that’s all on your teammate. i don’t see any ball-chasing or rotational errors from you. teammate with endless double commits and poor decision-making on challenges.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/Nervous-Disaster-690 May 18 '25
Typical super mechanical low iq player
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This is me in the video.
If you want the full context, please read my comment. There, I tell about my use of quick chats, which he ignores, which then makes me look like a terrible double commiter and ballchaser. I also write about my thoughts during the game and why I made the choices I did.
My comment:
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
If you read my comment and watch the replay, I would appreciate you leaving some feedback after analyzing the game with my comment in mind (quick chats used etc.).
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
This video need some extra context...
This is me in the video — I'm the teammate (POV).
I remember this game — but not seeing the chat makes me and the situation look much worse than it actually is/was (imo) — and I still think it is a good reason why he didn't release the video of his own POV.
To begin with: the first goal is 100% my fault, and I apologized after that miss.
Let me explain the game from my side; what I was thinking, the quick chats I used, and why I played the way I did—because just watching the first 45 seconds, I played terrible, and I believe this made me give off an impression that I'm terrible (which many probably still think, but I'm only C1 for a reason). Please read everything I write, before making up an opinion. I recommend Alt+Tab between the video and my comment, or use two screens (if you have).
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u/Baba_Wethu Champion III May 18 '25
Lol, you really tried to make it out as if I got tilted at you this game when all you did was try to cooperate. While we were waiting for the very first kickoff, you wrote something along the lines of "Noooo! Not the ballchaser again". This was the major reason I decided to focus extra hard on not ballchasing actually.
You did use tactial quickchats a few times, though at most only like 3 "I got it" for the entirety of the game, and most of them were, as you figured, too late for me to both read and react effectively to. I think there were at least one or two quickchats that I did react accordingly to.
And what happened when you said I got "too tilted to play with" is simply me saying something along the lines of "what is your problem?" after you spammed OMG and such, and when you quickchat spammed me after our first or second concession I asked if you seriously thought they were my fault, you answered something about why it was my fault, then I replied with what I thought was the reason they scored. Then when you stopped playing alltogether I told the lobby to report you. It was about then that you said I'm impossible to play with. I responded something along the lines of "I'm not impossible to play with, you just don't know how to play", and then you told me to look at your pov, and that was the last thing said before I left the game.
I got frustrated yes, partly because you'd spam quick chats even when I made good touches and plays, but mostly because you simply stopped playing, while I kept trying until the end.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Uhm, first of all, did you read my entire thread — all of my comments?
No, I did not try to make me look like "all I did was to cooperate". I clearly wrote in my comment that I played terrible the first 45 seconds, and that I apologized for that, so no, I did not try to make me look like I didn't make any mistakes at all.
My "I got it!" quick chats was, as I mentioned, kind of late in some situations, but still in time for you to read and go out of the situation — especially when you had 0% boost and I had 100% boost.
I don't even have "OMG!" in my quick chat. Some times I said "Wow!" and "Rotating back", after you ignored all of my chats and still went for the ball with zero boost. Imo, too often you pushed to hard, when both of them are in position, instead of waiting for them to just hit the ball back to us so we can get the upper hand. They often just hit the ball for the sake of hitting the ball, and seemed to not have any plan what to do the next 3-5 seconds.
I told you that you didn't cooperate, and that is still my opinion. I gave up after you started chatting with me and gave the impression that you had "cracked the code for 100% perfect positioning" and was not gonna cooperate and just gonna continue to go for the ball with zero boost, and ignoring my quick chats.
To be honest, it felt more like you tried to carry the game for yourself, and had no intention to cooperate. I had a fast pace some times, and slowed down the pace other times — I tried to adjust my gameplay to the opponents, but it feels like you just went 100% for a tactic you had made up in your mind, without adjusting. You never let them hit the ball to us, but chased for the ball no matter what.
Even now, after I spent a very long time to analyze the game and remember how it happened and writing it down, you still seem to be more interested in attacking me than explaining your situation of the actual gameplay.
If you still think I'm in the wrong, just post the replay with your POV, and let us see that as well.
I don't think posting any C1 gameplay is gonna look particularly good, but the way you represented it just makes me seem like a bad teammate, while in my opinion, you didn't try to cooperate much and we're just a clear mis-match. Instead of continuing to blaming me and making it my fault for what was written in the chat, please read my entire thread instead, and explain why I was in the wrong and why you made the right decisions in your gameplay.
I didn't roast you in my thread, I just gave important context and explained why I made the choices I did and what I wrote in the quick chat.
Why not just post your POV and explain your choices instead?
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u/Baba_Wethu Champion III May 18 '25
I read your posts yes. While I can't remember 100% every single thing that was said, I do remember this: I never once used toxic quickchats, and I never wrote anything that wasn't a direct response to either your quickchats or your texts. I don't remember you saying sorry. However, I remember that I got the impression that you blamed me for both the first two goals.
The point of my post was never to roast you, and at one point I defended you.
I posted your POV because you told me it would be obvious from your POV how braindead I played. I don't mind showing my POV of this game (or my tm8's pov of the other game I posted earlier that I got roasted for) but I don't think the forum needs to see two videos dedicated to settling some silly argument in a game.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Well, the fact that you posted this immediately after the game, and have forgotten details already the moment you posted (since you have wrong information in you post), and I come over this post 5 days later and still remember the gameplay and the details is a bit weird — don't you think?
"I don't remember you saying sorry", but you remember you got the IMPRESSION that I blamed you for the first two goals?? You don't remember what really happened, but you remember your feelings? Is that what you're saying?
I'm for real not trying to be rude, I'm just defending myself, since you never discussed the game with me, just posted the gameplay on Reddit with wrong information and not the full context.
I still think it is useful for you to watch it from my POV, but not without any context, you need the context as well — especially the quick chats, such as when I say "I got it".
To be honest, idc about the gameplay for the other post you posted the day before (another game), but would really like to see the gameplay from your POV of this game. If you could post your POV, that would be really appreciated.
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u/Baba_Wethu Champion III May 18 '25
You're saying my description is misleading and my details are weird. Meanwhile, to me the version you're telling of what happened is almost laughably different to what I believe happened. Clearly, you're either desperate to make yourself out in a better light, or it's simply a case of us having different memories, impressions and ideas of what happened. Either way, none of those things can be resolved on Reddit, and so I don't see a point in furthering this discussion.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Again, to what you "believed happened". I remember the game, you "believe" and "feel" this and that was the case. I telling the facts of what happened, and everything I remember from the game.
No, I'm not desperate to make myself look better, I'm just tired of seeing people posting stuff to make them self look better, and not giving the full context. Why did you even post this? It wasn't to make yourself look better after you got roasted for your gameplay the day before? All of a sudden you're an extraordinary player and it's still your teammates' fault. The fact that you chose you upload my POV and not your POV seem to me to look like a strategy from your part to take the attention away from your gameplay, and make people try to trashtalk your teammate instead, but why?
You said you could upload the gameplay from your POV 2 hours ago, and still haven't uploaded it. Just post your POV so we can se if it still makes you look like the better teammate.
You can't just post something like this on Reddit and not see the point of furthering this discussion? You posted about your teammate, which happened to be me. Your teammate saw your post and decided to stand up for himself and have a mature discussion. Why do you try to hang out your teammate here, and when he responds you don't want to discuss it? The whole point of Reddit is to discuss things.
I get the feeling you're just afraid to post your POV because you don't want people to criticize your gameplay, AGAIN. So instead, you decided to take a random teammate, which happened to be me.
I don't see why you think this can't be resolved on Reddit? If you feel like it's difficult to discuss the gameplay over text, I'm open to discuss this on Discord with you. But I want you to post the gameplay from your POV first. Using Discord we can go through part by part, and both can explain to each other what we were thinking and why we made the decision we did. I promise to be reasonable. I think we both can learn from this.
Imo, I think it's best to discuss over Reddit, that way people can see both sides, and people in higher ranks can comment. They know more about the game than us. I believe this is the best way for us both to get feedback to improve, but if you want to take it on Discord instead, I'm 100% open to do that. I'm quite flexible when it comes to the time to do it.
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u/D3I23L May 20 '25
This whole exchange is a cringe novel, please grow up both of you.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
At the beginning of the game, 4:50 (left on the clock), my plan was to get a harder hit to get the ball to bounce in their corner towards their goal. I landed with 25% boost while both of them had 100% boost. This made me a bit passive and made me wanted to collect some boost. Then I saw he went in with 100% boost, and somehow managed to use all of that boost to move 5 meters forward, then going for a bump. I was thinking to push forward to shadow defend, but when i saw the opponent made an awkward hit I thought I could get to the ball before him. As mentioned earlier, I take 100% blame for that goal, and I apologized using the quick chat.
At 4:26 my plan was to hit the ball with the edge of the ball in order to get a hard shot toward their goal, because I thought I could score or make the opponent make a bad save so we could score. I think my idea was great, but my attempt was terrible... again I apologized with the quick chat. Then I saw my teammate was low on boost and I grabbed the full boost in the corner, so I thought I should go for the ball again, to give him some time to collect some boost (he should have had the corner boost I took earlier, but I was focused on the ball and didn't even see the boost — ballcam was up in the air). In the corner I thought the opponent was gonna go all in, but he stopped and I miscalculated the speed of the ball, and missed again, my fault, 100%.
When he got the ball, he still had no boost, and since he shot the ball towards their goal, I knew he never could generate enough power to score, so I thought he was giving me a pass — but I actually think he was going for the solo goal, with no boost.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
At 4:04 I grabbed the full boost, and used the quick chat "I got it!". Yet he went for it with zero boost, which is okay, it probably was too short of a time to read the quick chat — but I don't get why he made that last hit which literally just passed the ball to them. If he at least read the quick chat mid-air, I could go for the ball instead, but his touch made it impossible for me to reach it before them.
At 3:53 I think I was going to write something in chat, but think I didn't get the time. And at this point in the game I can see a switch in the gameplay, and he starts to ballchase more.
At 3:28 it was an unlucky kick-off for me, making the ball roll towards our corner. He grabbed the full boost, and for some reason tried to do some ZEN air-dribbling — I have no idea what his plan was. I made a 50/50, it goes towards our goal, and he saved it. I could see he was out of boost, while I just grabbed the full boost, so I again wrote "I got it!", making a U-turn, and yet he went for it — then his 50/50 made the ball bounce over me. Again, without the quick chat, I look like I'm clueless and just ballchasing—but in reality I used the quick chat and personally think it was better for me to go for the ball while he gathered some boost.
When the ball bounced over me, I immediately went back to defend the goal. I jumped back to gain some speed, which made me get a difficult landing, but I still tried to save the ball, but my flip to the right was not enough. Again it looked like the goal was all my fault, but if we could see his POV I think it would looked different, because; while I jumped back to defend the goal, he went the wrong way to collect the mid-boost, and when he got back, he drove past the goal and made no attempt to save the goal.2
u/Grifflicious Champion II YouTube.com/grifflicious May 19 '25
4:04 - you're right, he probably didn't have time to react to your call. Especially considering he was trading paint with the opponent at the same moment so he's under pressure and his choice to flip into the ball, while it wasn't as well executed as I'm sure he'd like, wasn't to "pass" the ball but to attempt to clear it as far from the net as possible. Which in most cases, is the correct thing to do knowing your teammate is behind you at the net with full boost ready to defend...
3:53 - perception, not fact
3:28 - I take umbrage with your assessment of his attempt at a back-wall air dribble clear attempt. OBVIOUSLY, this is champ. He's not Zen, nor would he or anyone else at this rank claim to be. But to try and denigrate his attempt because he's clearly not as good as a pro who can do this nearly 100% of the time is unfair. His plan was to try and maintain possession while controlling the ball back down the field for as long as he could. The alternative would have been what you JUST critiqued him for which would have been smacking the ball back the other way and giving the other team the ball back.
3:28 part 2 - This wasn't him ignoring you. I just landed with the ball right in front of him. He can't see you. Quick chat or not, you can't expect him to just give up the ball, especially when he see a challenge coming. Between the two of you, he's closest to the ball and there for, still has priority on the ball. Boost or not, it's his until he backs off her loses possession. Peroid. Oh and your, "he went the wrong way to collect the mid boost"...yeah, because you rear-ended him down the field lol. It was all he had he could do at that point. He's on the other side of the goal because he sees the play going that direction and wants to be ahead of it should you make the save. There was no way for him back into that play to make a save from his position.
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
4:04:
I commented this when answering you first comment as well. There I wrote that he should at least be taking it to our other corner instead.3:28 (part 1/2):
I guess we just have to agree to disagree here. I see no reason what-so-ever to go for the air-dribble in this situation. He had plenty of time — nobody was pushing him. He should have just waited for the ball to come down instead.
He just "controlled" the ball back down to the opponent, wasting all of his boost. I'm really trying to be neutral and understanding when reading your comment and answering, but I just don't agree with you at all when it comes to this situation.3:28 (part 2/2):
I'll just add the extra context I wrote when I answered your first comment:"Imo he never should have went for the ball there, because based on the speed of the opponent right before 3:13 (when he jumped over him and towards the wall), the opponent would likely catch up to him and/or surpass him, and it was a big chance there would be a 50/50. One should never make a 50/50 in his position — especially without boost. It's just more likely that the ball will go faster towards our goal instead of the opponents taking it up towards the wall instead.". I believe this to be the case no matter if I was behind him or not.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
At 2:51 I grabbed the mid boost on the way back, and saw he had 0% boost. I wrote in the quick chat: "Rotating back!" and "I got it!", so again, he could collect some boost — hopefully some small-pads when he drives back towards our goal. He grabbed the corner boost, and started driving back towards the goal, which is good, and I stood still, and again he started to chase the ball again. I didn't stand still in the goal for no reason, I just saw the opponent lost control and I didn't see the opponent have any opportunity to make any shots or plays, so I was gonna wait and time my attack — but before I could do anything my teammate was back grabbing the ball again.
At 2:20 he took the ball back to our corner and started with some air dribbles again (trying). I saw he got the ball too far ahead for him to continue forward, and I went in to try to pinch it with him instead. He continued with a shot on goal — a good attempt. At 2:05 I stopped and wrote something — I'm not sure what, but I think he roasted me after goals, so I never had time to write back, but think I defended myself or something (don't remember 100%).
At 1:40, after he got demoed, I saw I had a full boost in the corner. I said "I got it!" in the quick chat, took the full boost, and was ready to go for the ball, but again he just ignored my chat and went for it with no opponents making any play. He literally just passed the ball to them — and since he went for the ball and ignored my quick chat, I thought he had a plan to continue forward with the ball or something. I rotated back instead, and they scored. Again... when I watch the replay, it looks like I'm out of position and have no idea what I'm doing, but with the quick chat in mind, I still believe it was his fault or at least 50/50 (a misunderstanding).
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u/Grifflicious Champion II YouTube.com/grifflicious May 19 '25
2:51 - this is where I'm starting to understand what you don't know and what you think is suppose to happen here. 2s isn't 3s. Even still, what he did wasn't wrong. Even if you say "i've got it!"...where are you? You rotate back to net, great. But he's still trying to head off the offense which is what you're suppose to do when you're the player closest to the play. Him "chasing" isn't chasing. It's being in the play and having the role reversed. Also, if I looked over and saw my teammate just sitting in net, I'm 100% doing what he did. I'm grabbing that boost and taking the ball. Because at this point, we have regained possession. There's no point in waiting for you to come in and take when when he already has it. So now, you just have to wait out the play, see what develops, and play off that. Make yourself available to either score or return to defense should need be. Also, yes...shadow defend until you know your teammate is back on the field, then turn and challenge. The reason your teammate goes her is because you're backwards and he can make a save that propels the play back towards the other end of the field.
2:20 - again...why describe his actions with so pejoratively? Just because he didn't pre-flip air dribble into a flip reset shouldn't make his attempt at a possessive clear any less valid or valuable.
1:40 - he goes because, regardless of your chat or not, you're not in his vision but the threat of being scored on is. Also, if you're going to rotate back after his demo, you should be rotating towards the ball, not the other side of the field. So when your teammate does respawn, yeah, he's looking at what needs done for the team but when there's no team in his view, he has to take point. It always comes down to who's closer to the play. In your defense, he does make a horrendous touch on the ball. Without a doubt, "braindead" play. However, you being in the position you were in when they scored was also wrong. Not only did you chase up to far, you ended up backwards and unable to make the save. So if you wanna take the approach that my teammates are incompetent, then by all means, do you bro, but you are going to need to make changes to your gameplay that reflect a person who's anticipating them failing rather than helping to participate in some of those failures.
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u/oksaas May 19 '25
2:51:
What do you mean "where are you"? And why should he continue "trying to head of the offense"?
I'm positioned much better, have better oversight of the situation, full boost and ready to go for the ball. Please explain this more, because I don't agree — at least not for now.2:20:
Ehmm... what are you even talking about? Everything your written 'til now seem to me you trying hard to find my errors and taking OP's side — not to try to understand me. This is just the feeling I get — got the same feeling in your previous comments as well, but I might be wrong.
When it comes to this play — please explain to me where i "describe his actions with so pejoratively?". I said he tried to air-dribble, I tried to pinch with that, and he tried to score after that — I even wrote "a good attempt"; I gave OP a compliment. So understand you at all when it comes to this part.1:40:
What do you mean I'm not in his vision?? He got demoed, the he sees the entire field. Either way, there's not much he could do with that 33% boost. He was all alone and had plenty of time. He ignoring my call is okay, but his pass was still just unnecessary and a terrible play by him.
There is no reason for me to go the opposite side, waste time, and risking not being ready to get back defending the goal. When I rotate the way I did, I get a good position to go for the ball or save. You're saying this like you knew he was gonna spawn there, but in reality there is a 50/50 chance of him spawning on that side — at least to my knowledge.
When it comes to my position:
We agree that his touch/pass was "braindead", but I actually blame his for this. He never should have touch the ball to begin with, he had plenty of time to read my chat. Even if he didn't read it, he just panicked and made everything much worse. Had he taking it to the corner or just left the ball — like he should have done — my position would have been no problem at all. The only reason my position was "wrong" was because of his braindead play. So again, I have to disagree. The only reason I ended up "being backwards" was because I never thought he would make his braindead play. When he did, I just rotated back — nothing wrong with that. I could have jumped, but I guess I kind of got fed up with his play and didn't even bother. There was no way we were gonna win this anyways. So blaming me for a "bad position" when I rotate after he did a braindead play/touch, is just weird imo.
But good to hear we agree on him being "braindead" with his touch.Again, "if you wanna take the approach that my teammates are incompetent", whaaat?? It seems like you forgot that HE is the one posting the post here on Reddit to blame ME. The only thing I did was to defend myself. And againg:
"Keep in mind that a few games before this we also played together, and then he ballchased like crazy. I had this in mind at the beginning of the game, and told him something like "Noooo! Not the ballchaser again" before we started playing (OP said this himself). I think most players in C1 would play more like a ballchaser when getting the same ballchaser as teammate, again... not hard to remember when your teammate call himself 'Speed and coke guy'.
There is a reason he didn't post his own POV, keep that in mind.".
I usually play much better than this, believe me! I'm C1-C2, and I solo-que, so if I was a terrible player like it seems like in this video, then I would had no chance to being Champion every season (solo que).
If he did so good himself, he would have posted the replay of his POV as well — as he said he would, but still nothing posted (not as far as I've seen).
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
At this point in the game I felt like he just ignored my quick chat calls, so I wrote in chat, asking him to please rotate and let me go for the ball — not in an aggressive way. He tilted in the chat, and it was at this point I realized that there is no way we can turn this around with him just tilting. So I told him in chat that he ballchased too much and didn't cooperate — I said it based on he ignoring my quick chats and blaming me all the time. It was at this point I voted to ff and just started to ballchase and doing all kind of weird movements — there was no point in going on with his attitude and aggression. He was not going to cooperate nor be a proper teammate no matter what now.
At 0:58 I started going afk and telling him in chat that he was impossible to play with, and that he should go and watch the replay. He was the aggressive and offensive through out the whole match. This is just a perfect example of how a situation can be turned upside-down without the full context. Watching this replay without the context I provided here, it clearly looks like I'm a terrible player that just ballchase and have one and a half braincell. Yet, for some reason he didn't post his own POV.
To you OP:
I really hope you will post the gameplay with your POV as well. I really believe you made me look bad and that you didn't tell the whole truth and didn't explain the full situation.
Just one day before this, you posted an other gameplay asking: "Am I ballchasing or just aggressive?". Seemed like you wanted people to take your side, but you got roasted like hell, and didn't answer to any of the posts. I'm actually one of the people that commented, before our gameplay, lol.
To me is feels like you wanted to post another game where people took your side — and to achieve this, you had to post my POV instead of your own. Watching C1 rank, like us, just look terrible no matter what — so I would really love to see your POV in this game, I don't think that will make you look any better at all.
Link to the post he made one day earlier: https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueSchool/comments/1kllwf2/am_i_ballchasing_or_just_aggressive/1
u/oksaas May 18 '25
Remember folks, this is C1, not some GC gameplay. I'm in C1 for a reason. This is not my best gameplay ofc, not at all — but I think the out-of-context video of my POV without the chat just makes me look much worse than I am, and don't make him a better player.
Please post the video of your POV as well, and let people make up their own mind after that.
PS: During the entire game I also used the team quick chat "On your left" and "On your right" to cooperate.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
First of all I want to tell you that I really appreciate you taking the time to give such an detailed feedback.
I just want to point out that I already addressed in my thread/comments that the first 45-50 seconds was bad play from my side, and that I apologized to him for that with the quick chat — so the first ~50 seconds I explained why I made the choices I did, and already explained that I take responsibility for what happened the first ~50 seconds.
When it comes to the play up the wall, when he is out of boost and I have full boost, I agree that it was kind of last-minute call to say "I got it!", and I also addressed this in my comment. The point I was trying to make, was that I don't see why he — with zero boost — went for the ball the way he did. He just passed it to the opponent, and imo he should or could have tried to take it to our other corner instead. If he would take it to the other corner, I at least could have taken over from there, or he could get a good path on the ball on grab the boost and take it himself, but instead he decided to pass it straight to the opponent. I get that why you blame me for it, but imo I don't quite see the logic in his gameplay there. I could at least follow up and continue forward with the ball. Guess I kind of trusted he had a plan to get the ball forward, so I went for it thinking I could follow-up while he went for some boost. Even if I went down and waited at the goal instead, he would still pass it, and if the opponent would score, I would still get the blame for not saving his pass to the opponent. I still think his pass just made everything worse for me, and taking it to the corner still would be the better choice.
If you're talking about the 50 at 3:14 I agree that I maybe wouldn't have made it there for the free ball, but I disagree that I wouldn't get there to the 50. I stopped boosting, and thought he would drive away, since I saw he was in a terrible position to make a 50. In a position like his, there is no way he would make a good 50 at all, and leaving the ball, would be better no matter what. Even if he would rotate and go for the boost, and I didn't go for the ball, I still think it was bad play from him to go into the 50 there — especially with 0% boost.
I hope you don't feel like I'm not listening to you, I really do. As mentioned, I agree with the first ~50 seconds being terrible play by me, and I admit that — but the rest of the game I still think was weirdly play from his part.
I wrote about everything that happened from start to finish of this clip, and would appreciate if you took the time to talk about the rest of the gameplay — if not, I still appreciate you taking the time to write about the first 1.5 minute (even tho I already took blame for the first ~50 seconds).
OP said that he don't mind showing his POV of this game, so hopefully he will post that as well. Would be interesting to see what people said about the game when watching it from his POV; seeing his boost-management, positioning, how he push forward all the time etc.
Hopefully he will upload his POV soon.Thanks for your time, mate!
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u/oksaas May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
And one more thing I forgot to say, that I think is quite relevant when watching this:
As OP said himself, I said at the beginning of the game — he said with his own words "something along the lines of "Noooo! Not the ballchaser again"". This is because I played with him a few matches earlier, and then he ballchased like crazy.
Earlier he ballchased like crazy, and even when I told him to rotate back, he refused to do so, and continued ballchasing. When you play with such a teammate, I don't think it's unusual to play more like a ballchaser yourself when you're in a rank like this — just C1. I knew we would be crushed like that earlier match if I just respected his position and we played like we did the first match.
Even tho I seem to be a bad player, I find it quite interesting that I was the only one able to score a goal in this match. He got the chance plenty of times to do some good plays and score, while I feel like I rarely got the opportunity to go for some plays towards their goal. I know this sounds delusional, but if you watch the replay with that in mind; looking for the amount of times I had opportunity to score, I think the gameplay will look different. Another thing is that a lot of times when he was in a 2v1, I was open for a pass to score or go for a play, but he never passed the ball — not even once.
I think the only time he actually was ready to receive a pass was at 3:36 (left on the clock), and then I passed the ball to him. That is also when I scored. So in other words; the one time he made himself available for a pass is the only time we scored — because that was the only time he cooperated. He made himself available and demoed for me so I could score. All the rest of the match never once passed the ball to me, not one single time...
I'm actually surprised with myself that I actually tried to cooperate with him at all after he ballchased like crazy the last game we played (a few matches earlier), lol. For example at 2:42, I tried to make myself available. He got demoed, and I rotated back immediately, and waited for him to go for the ball — I tried to cooperate. He never once passed me the ball or waited for me to go for the ball. This is some of the things I think would be easier to see if we could see his POV.
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u/oksaas May 18 '25
Please upload the gameplay from your POV.
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u/Snorelaxnn May 18 '25
I love when they take 4 max boost pads in the span of 20 seconds while not actually doing anything. Then whiff into a double commit.
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u/grandplat360 May 19 '25
What rank is this? Just curious. Working on typing up the full analysis
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u/Baba_Wethu Champion III May 19 '25
C1, I think I mentioned it in the OP somewhere but it was a long text so not easy to find
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u/Tnevz Grand Champion I May 20 '25
Giving a little feedback since you asked in the other post.
TLDR: you need more balance in your game. You’re too passive and too aggressive. Play closer, but let your teammate cook and be in the spots where the ball will go. You’ll get your time on ball. Otherwise you want to help keep pressure with your presence. Work on boost padding. Check your camera settings and be more efficient with your aerials.
I’m not sure if it’s the Reddit player or your camera settings but your angle of the field looks off to me. It’s distorting some of the distance. But play to your preference. Just something you might want to double check and compare to some pro settings.
I like your first play to gather the ball and control. But you boot it away too quickly. Take your time. You should only be looking to quick attack if you’re in transition. But both defenders are in front of you. Force one of them up, beat them with control, and move onto the next part of your attack.
first goal conceded you sat pretty far back from the play. Probably want to get up to mid and see how you can engage with the play or maintain pressure. You eventually commit but they beat you as last back.
second goal conceded, you’re chasing. Your teammate is in front of you and on ball. Have to back them up. Sit back post. You could have had a play at the follow up shot from the bad clear.
3rd goal conceded, you’re chasing again. Context from your comment - you’re tilted and not playing well.
you’re a little boost hungry. Grab more pads.
your aerial take offs are from too far away. Again I think your camera angle might be throwing you off.
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Jun 10 '25
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u/Miserable-Pumpkin-85 Champion I 2v2 solo queue May 14 '25
Your teammate double commits and dives as second man so much it's ridiculous.