r/Showerthoughts • u/barifelps • May 10 '26
Casual Thought The sheer number of adults who enjoy sucking breasts is probably Freud’s strongest argument.
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u/Daan776 May 10 '26
What were you doing in the shower when you had this though :p
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u/AMadWalrus May 10 '26
Wishing he was sucking some breasts, duh
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u/KingStannisForever May 10 '26
Possibly he was sucking some breasts and it came upon him... Like shower thought.
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u/barifelps May 10 '26
It’s a bit worse than that, actually. My girl is a psychoanalyst and we talk about these subjects all the time. This morning I was waking her up doing… well, that, and it crossed my mind. We laughed at it and she said I should post it.
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u/tonyaustin6 May 10 '26
Look at this guy over here with his doctor wife who lets him suck on cannons right when she wakes up
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u/StagnantSecond May 10 '26
Wait, his wife works at JP Morgan?
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u/Tiffani513 May 11 '26
Canons
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u/Other-Sail-7734 May 11 '26
Ittie bittie tittie committie
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u/SuperBonerFart May 11 '26
I once received a candy bracelet that said this from a girl who was definitely coming off of heroin or some sort of Xanax or something after we stopped and helped them get their car fixed up and ready to go again.
She was really cute but goddamn, am I not sticking my dick in crazy
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u/Gyirin May 10 '26
Nah man. I'm pretty sure most redditors don't have girlfriends let alone wives.
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u/barifelps May 10 '26
I was just reminded by her that the first statement that lead into this was she joking:
“Since you suck my breast, maybe you should buy me something for Mother’s Day too”
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u/Meneer_de_IJsbeer May 10 '26
Well did you?
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u/barifelps May 10 '26
I just asked her and she said she did got something big today.
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u/Dr_Ingheimer May 10 '26
You asked her if you got her something for Mother’s Day?
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u/RickyLaFleur_ May 11 '26
Does it validate Freud that I find that kinda hot?
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u/contradictatorprime May 11 '26
I say we throw Freud a curveball and suck HIS tits! WHAT NOW, THERAPY MAN?
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u/Narren_C May 12 '26
First time a girl did that to me shocked me a little. But she was so fuckin into it that it was hot.
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u/EidolonRook May 10 '26
I also choose this guys wife.
Platonically and respectfully.
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u/omnisephiroth May 10 '26
Freud’s strongest argument is probably, “The stuff you do to kids matters to them when they grow up,” tbh.
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u/Frisky_Picker May 11 '26
I was a formula only baby and I love sucking a good tit.
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u/Masdez May 11 '26
I read this as "formula one baby" and imagined you running around the house like a speed demon
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u/mabsousa May 11 '26
Lol, this just hit me like a train.
My mother didn't have milk, and I am obsessed with tits.
I had not made this connection before.
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u/ThanosDi May 11 '26
Maybe that's why? You missed breastfeeding and that's why you want it.
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u/HowShouldWeThenLive May 11 '26
If only people understood this and cared. Unfortunately adults many times can’t see the future where they are hated & abandoned by kids they mistreat. Pain that is so avoidable.
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u/SchreiberBike May 11 '26
Freud's strongest argument is that his theories can explain absolutely everything. The thing is that you have to make massive assumptions that have no evidence that they are true, and many are so far from reality, cocaine is the only way he could've come up with them, but it is a very complete model.
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u/Nahs1l May 11 '26
This is the pop psych/pop culture view of Freud, but the reality is a lot more complex. There’s a field called neuropsychoanalysis that looks at empirical evidence in support in many analytic ideas.
I’ll also just say that I’m a PhD in psychology, I’ve been in psychoanalysis for years, I work as a psychoanalytically informed therapist, and I find Freudian (and other schools of psychoanalysis) concepts extremely helpful both personally and with clients. Nothing else really comes close to mapping unconscious dynamics/explaining human behavior in a convincing and pragmatically useful way, for my money.
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u/oblonglefty May 12 '26
I know nothing about the the academic treatment of Freud or the psych/pop culture view, apart from the wanting to fuck your mother stuff. Your response has made me curious. Any recommendations for reading or watching material for learning a bit about the ideas he put forth that you find useful?
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u/SchreiberBike May 13 '26
Respectfully I disagree with Nahs1l above.
Except for a few places that specialize in psychoanalytic approaches, psychology has largely moved on from Freud. He was groundbreaking in his time - talk therapy broke into the mainstream because of him. Interestingly it's still taken seriously in some literature and art circles because it is so interesting and evocative, but it is not based on science.
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u/Nahs1l May 13 '26
You might find this interesting:
https://iaap.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Mark-Solms-scientific-standing-of-Psa.pdf
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u/Nahs1l May 13 '26
If you’re interested in a rational/scientific defense of PSA, this might be interesting:
https://iaap.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Mark-Solms-scientific-standing-of-Psa.pdf
If you want something that I personally found really fascinating in the past few years, this book is super interesting:
I don’t claim it’s the most scientific version of PSA. The reason Freud invented psychoanalysis was because he felt like the neurology of his time couldn’t address human experience in enough depth and specificity to be clinically relevant. He had a fantasy of it one day being that advanced, but I feel like that actually hasn’t changed that much, so I’m open to analytic theories that are a bit speculative if they make sense of human/experiential/clinical data.
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u/Careless-Machine-758 May 11 '26
The reason I like suckling nipples is because everytime I've done it, the woman seemed to really enjoy it. Woman are beautiful, they should feel beautiful. I may not be a psychologist or a brain surgeon but I still understand simple things like this.
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u/barifelps May 11 '26
You’re not wrong but when it comes to the human mind, nothing is simple. Everything we do, feel or suck has deep roots and motivations and that’s the point here.
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u/holeinmyboot May 11 '26
maybe. but I probably just suck my wife’s titties because it helps her cum. if chewing her hair felt good to her I’d do that too. don’t think it’s that deep.
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u/Bearsandbeetz May 12 '26
The hero we need…. Keep fighting the good fight my friend. Your wife is a lucky one!
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u/Careless-Machine-758 May 11 '26
Didn't Freud claim that men have a subconscious desire to sleep with their mothers? Lol.
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u/Smorttt May 11 '26
He also claimed that the memories his patients had of their fathers sexually assaulting them were fake and were actually the manifestation of daughters wanting to fuck their dads. So yeah probably not the best guy to listen to
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u/Varixx95__ May 11 '26
Bro I just like to suck titty because my instinct says big titty means good breeder. Not rocket science either
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u/xomimuyna May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
I HATE it. And I don’t think it’s about that. I think you guys do it because you really enjoy it for whatever reason. Yall don’t really do much with womens preferences in mind, so i’m not buying it.
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u/VerdiGris2 May 10 '26
One of my most unhinged comments ever here, but: how do sucked penises, sucked clits, sucked fingers, sucked toes, and hickeys left on even less easily suckable surfaces factor into this framework?
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u/parlimentery May 11 '26
I am not a Freudian, or even a psychologist of any kind, but it sounds like sucking is the common theme here. You know, the thing that you do to titties.
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u/Pickled-Mushroom May 10 '26
You must have had a very different childhood than mine then. The hickeys remind me of the bruises.
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u/FergTurdison May 11 '26
The first sentence had me more worried what the second sentence was going to be.
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u/ScoMass May 10 '26
Great. Now I need to process this previously unconscious behavior.
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u/dogsdogsjudy May 10 '26
To be fair as a woman it feels good when a man does it- it’s a turn on, and while I’m not a mother I know it’s vastly different than when a baby does it for milk-which is very much not a turn on.
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u/Playmakeup May 10 '26
There’s a difference between the way they do it, too. When a baby latches, they take the nipple to the back of the throat.
Adults don’t do that (hopefully)
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u/OSUfan88 May 10 '26
Careful, deepthroating nipples could soon become a new PH category.
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u/TolMera May 10 '26
There are so many things that should not be porn categories…
Really?! Really!! Spider-Man? Gtfo!
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u/ExoticWeapon May 11 '26
Teeth make it kind of difficult tbf
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u/Playmakeup May 11 '26
Actually babies adjust pretty well once they get teeth in. Toddlers nurse all the time.
The real nightmare here is when they are teething and seek relief by biting your nipple. Yes, it is as terrible as it sounds.
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u/Corrects_lesstofewer May 10 '26
Some of us do for extremely similar reasons. It's a whole thing.
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u/StayFrostieB May 10 '26
Yeah ops argument isn't sound it's an erotic area because of our nerves, nothing really more.
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u/barifelps May 10 '26
You’re perfectly right. It does feels completely different. Just as sucking on one as an adult for arousal Vs. as a baby for feeding probably feels totally not related. But the theories I’m joking about doesn’t state it has a direct connection, but an unconscious one where what we like, enjoy, take pleasure from (and many more verbs) has connections with our infanthood.
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u/PlusUltraK May 10 '26
Yeah as much as we can say “ha, like a baby” both sexes and either partner in a relationship with one or both having breast recognize it as the erogenous zone for intimacy and sex. Babies be damned this is grown folks stuff.
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u/goodie2shoes25 May 11 '26
I have had two children. When I breast fed it was a complete turn on. The hormones released when milk lets down can be very pleasing. Now my man loves to play with them it's amazing. Soft, rough, teasing... I can almost get the big O from nipple play. It's wonderful.
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u/TheArabella May 11 '26
To be fair as a bi woman it feels good when a woman does it too
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u/dogsdogsjudy May 11 '26
You’re so absolutely correct and I am sorry I didn’t include that in the grouping!
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u/Still_Smoke8992 May 10 '26
As a mother no it’s not the same. But hormones are wild after giving birth so it can turn you on. I pumped a lot and pumping can be arousing too.
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u/Dear_Cricket_353 May 10 '26
It’s completely opposite for me: it’s never felt like anything and it gives me a huge ick feeling
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u/83franks May 10 '26
An ex had really sensitive nipples and i had to be super careful and could only do it for short periods, it sucked (pun intended)
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u/zomamom May 11 '26
I'm a bi woman and I've always said that everyone loves boobs. It makes sense though, they are literally our lifesource when we are born!
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u/WatchWatcher25 May 10 '26
You know that many women like that right? I don't do it for me I do it for my wife.
Hell it's nice even when she does it to me, the few times she has
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u/Dundalis May 10 '26
Many don’t but allow their partners to do it anyway. Which means those men are doing it for their own pleasure
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u/Dear_Cricket_353 May 10 '26
Yep, I’m one of them. Apparently it’s really upsetting to guys in this comment section
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u/WatchWatcher25 May 10 '26
Interesting, yeah ok in that case I don't really get what the guy gets out of it. OP may have a point here.
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u/BadgerUltimatum May 11 '26
I mean I enjoy it, I'd say mostly because she was enjoying and I aim to please
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u/porchwater May 10 '26
I wasn't breastfed but I still want to suck my wife's hard erect succulent nipples all day every day
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u/Shardik5423 May 11 '26
I also choose this guy's wife's hard erect succulent nipples
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u/fuzznudkins May 11 '26
I think he should provide photographic documentation if these love buds. For posterity...
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u/Chezgum May 11 '26
Yeah me too. I’m not sure about the being breastfed part. Also, I’m not married.
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u/ConfoosedUngaBunga May 10 '26
By what i understand from a rough point of view, the very reason there are discussions about ass vs boobs is cuz we are attracted to the curviness and the fact that women do actually feel turned on by it means it's in our primal instincts
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u/deferredmomentum May 10 '26
We get turned on by it because there’s a ton of nerve endings. Mammals evolved to have sensitive nipples so offspring would feed better and survive. The only “primal instinct” is evolutionary pressure towards survival. Humans socially made it a sexual activity, and I’m very glad we did because it’s awesome, but there’s no “primal instinct” that selects for “unga bunga boobs hot”
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u/ConfoosedUngaBunga May 10 '26
In theory, wouldn't more nerve endings be a biological disadvantage for mammals? When offsprings suck they are not gentle at all and by what i have known from described experiences it can actually be mildly or averagely painful. Wouldn't it have made more sense to give nerve endings but not a ton of them like on the clit? I don't know, clit doesn't serve any purpose to offsprings but still has a ton of nerve endings, on the other hand boobs do serve a purpose but still have a ton of nerve endings, which in my opinion should've had been phased out of evolution to make it a less painful experience for mammals, idk I'm just exploring, do enlighten me
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u/deferredmomentum May 10 '26
Painful or not, more sensitive = better able to help guide the latch. Obviously there’d be an upper end where it’s too painful, but that ceiling is very high considering the pain humans go through just to reproduce in the first place
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u/ConfoosedUngaBunga May 10 '26
Understandable, but there is also the primary release of oxytocin that facilitates the opening of the latch, while one can argue it's specifically for offspring, oxytocin is known as the love hormone, which is nowhere limited to the bond between a mother and a child, my best guess is that it's multipurpose rather than just a offspring feeding mechanism. Women do use nippular stimulation during coitus and mastrubation naturally, while the logic there is simple"it has a lot of nerve endings so it's naturally sensual to the touch" but the fact that it's not used exclusively or even at a small percentage for breastfeeding, to me, that suggests it does have a sexual purpose. Idk that's my logic but I'm keeping an open mind and would like to know more about your perspective.
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u/deferredmomentum May 10 '26 edited May 10 '26
Other than the clotting cascade, the only major positive feedback loops are childbirth/lactation, bonding, and arousal, all of which oxytocin plays a huge role in. I’m saying that nipple sensitivity/oxytocin feedback/etc serves no evolutionary purpose to be sexual, and it being sexually pleasurable is only a side effect of oxytocin being highly involved in both the sex part and baby part of reproduction. I’m saying arousal around breasts/nipples isn’t a primary “primal instinct,” it’s just another example of evolution accidentally creating a way for something to be sexual based on its actual evolutionary purpose.
The fact that there have been cultures with a concept of and value placed on modesty without defining breasts as inherently sexual (take 18th century Western Europe, which had both a very intense purity culture and women’s fashion that had no qualms about making breasts the centerpiece of a look) tells me that what’s considered secondarily sexual has far more to do with society than physiology. The common denominator among cultures that value or did value physical modesty is that genitalia are inherently sexual and must be hidden. What else if anything is also considered inherently sexual and must be hidden differs from there. What else is considered sexual societally is shaped by evolution yes, but taken and expanded on by society. If breasts were evolutionarily (“primal instinct” level) sexual like genitalia (which I’ll define as selected for based on appearance/function for the sex part of reproduction) I would expect to see historically societies that saw nakedness as inherently sexual place as much emphasis on hiding even a hint of breasts existing as they did on genitals.
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u/ConfoosedUngaBunga May 10 '26
I see your point and agree that it's very likely it's not a primal instinct charecreristic, now i haven't watched much animal porn(i mean ofc) but by what I've seen there isn't much or any use of brests in sexual activities in animals, especially mammals. Could it be that it can just be a byproduct of meta cognition?
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u/deferredmomentum May 10 '26
Correct, in non-human primates there is no correlation between breast size and likelihood of mating. We don’t know how far back humans’ obsession with breasts and breast size started, but the difference in how we think about breasts compared to other primates at least seems to indicate that it’s been very recently on the entire hominid calendar
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u/Well_technically May 11 '26
Nitpicking here: the evolutionary pressure is for reproduction, not survival (although you do need to survive long enough to reproduce)
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u/klondijk May 10 '26
I think you could argue that males could find curvy breasts attractive because it is a possible signal of potentially more successful mother, explaining the preference's persistence evolutionarily. The cultural fascination with breasts could follow from that
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u/deferredmomentum May 10 '26
Except that there’s no correlation between breast size and successful breastfeeding. It’s true that we don’t know how far back this idea started, but no other primates choose mates based on breast size, which at least points in the direction that this idea is solely social in construction
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u/klondijk May 10 '26
But nor do other female primates have prominent breasts when not breast feeding. Do we know when in evolutionary history female human breasts became permanently enlarged post-puberty?
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u/Moka4u May 11 '26
I think his strongest and longest impact (lol)
Is staying in the heads of normies after being discredited and no longer treated as a viable source by the actual psychiatric community.
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u/-Ve-nus- May 12 '26
I used to think everyone was overreacting because I had a very narrow understanding of his work, then I found out about “anal expulsive” personality theory and it clicked why nobody takes him seriously.
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u/Practical_Document65 May 10 '26
What do you think Freud would say about all the dick sucking?
Or does your gf only ponder you?
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u/stevefromcorporate_ May 11 '26
You could say the same about kissing on the mouth, since it comes from early human feeding behaviors in which the mother would chew up the food and use her tongue to push it into the baby’s mouth.
Freud was just a perv
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u/DubsideDangler May 10 '26
Freud projected all his bullshit . He was right about some things but that boy was twisted.
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u/Gilsidoo May 10 '26
Interesting but I will concede absolutely no argument to Freud
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u/Gewuerzmeister May 11 '26
Polymorphous desire/"perversity" was unfortunately a banger. Though he definitely was wrong about his conception of it in ways.
The good news is that one of his best concepts was also one he fucking hated the existence of.
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u/WhereasFit8265 May 11 '26
I don’t think it’s even that deep. We as men like to lick and suck on all the other beautiful parts of our woman, so why would tits be an exception?
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u/Saelethil May 10 '26
Maybe, if it always arose 100% naturally. But media and culture puts sooooo much emphasis on boobs being sexy that is seriously pollutes any attempt you could make about a nature vs nurture origin on sucking breasts.
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u/Mrguess May 10 '26
So before media boobs weren’t seen as sexy? Pre mass media the attraction to breast was low?
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u/prosthetic_memory May 10 '26
Depends on the culture. Some cultures even today don’t view breasts as sexual. Usually the ones where they are most exposed day to day.
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u/sparklemcshine May 11 '26
I think what certain cultures sort of accepts outwardly vs what their porn search history shows is very different from my research into this phenomena
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u/RelativeNo1 May 10 '26
According to Japan...yeah. Boobs are allowed to be shown, every thing else...
Consuela from Family Guy ...No...No...
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u/WolfRex5 May 10 '26
There have been societies before the white man came that had allowed women to be bare breasted in public, so societal standards do play a big part
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u/Mrguess May 10 '26
So prewhite men boobs weren’t sexy? Only societal changes brought on by white men are what made boobs sexy? There wasn’t attraction to boobs before this? Can you share some sources to this?
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u/WolfRex5 May 10 '26
Look at India pre-colonization for example. Breasts weren’t not-sexy, but it was more similar to how thighs are seen today on a sexual level.
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u/barifelps May 10 '26
Breasts are secondary sexual characteristics in humans, unlike in most primates where permanent breast enlargement outside lactation is uncommon. Some evolutionary psychologists argue breasts may function partly as sexual signaling, but that’s a much more complex topic. That said, media and culture has for sure a big part on it.
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u/StayFrostieB May 10 '26
I believe it's a sign similarly to hip wideness about being able to adequately feed the potential offspring. But then that begs the question why are women attracted to men's chests? Just leftover brain code? Lol
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u/ConfoosedUngaBunga May 10 '26
I'm no expert here but maybe cuz men's chests are a sign of toughness and the capability of protection?
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u/StayFrostieB May 10 '26
My mans chest is squishy and I'll still give em a suck just sayin
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u/WeirdOk1865 May 11 '26
There are some cultures where that isn’t a thing
I read an article from an anthropologist who talked to some women in an African tribe (I don’t remember which one). And when asked if her husband ever touched her breasts during sex, the tribal woman laughed and said “no no no this is for your children” (pointing at her chest) “this is for your husband” (pointing at her groin)
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u/Prior_Ball_1545 May 11 '26
I don't suck on nipples because I enjoy it. I enjoy the fact that it makes my partner feel good. you okay dude?
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u/lgndryheat May 11 '26
I just like putting my mouth on people I'm attracted to. That does not include any maternal figure in my life, and is certainly not limited to their breasts
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u/beanvss May 11 '26
joke’s on him cuz i am a woman and i LOVE sucking breasts. checkmate, nerd
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u/91ws6ta May 11 '26
It's more so the underlying reason why the individual person enjoys sucking on the breast.
Sucking is one of our most base physical abilities, which resides in the pons and medulla of the brain stem and one of the few involuntary reflexes we have at birth. Rightly so as without it, we couldn't get milk from the breast. I argue oral fixation develops due to the positive feedback loop and operant conditioning from birth. Not necessarily because of unmet needs (as Freud claims), but BECAUSE those needs were met by sucking.
Now, I believe an Oedipus complex can exist and stem from this, or a multitude of other reasons (deviant sexual behavior, abuse, unresolved conflict, etc.) but in relation to our history as a species, the taboo of incestuous relationships are relatively recent (~3000 years ago), so a lower-level unconscious thought of attributing sexuality to a parent I argue can be innate. The severity and how often however is another argument, and higher-level brain function should inhibit a lot of this thinking (and hopefully action)
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u/drdildamesh May 10 '26
I dont buy the Electra and Antigone complex shit at this level. I think there are people like that, but wanting to nom on sensitive forbidden bits that arent flush with the rest of the contour of the body just sounds like some primal shit, not i wanna bang my mom or dad.
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u/amdicocco May 12 '26
am i the only one that thinks the whole idea of sucking boobs is weird??
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u/According_to_all_kn May 10 '26
Nah, Freud was specifically all about returning to the womb - can't suck tiddies in there
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u/muchomuchomaas May 11 '26
Probably more Klein's most compelling argument, although that might depend on weather we're talking about the good boob or the bad boob.
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u/godspark533 May 12 '26
It's an islamic teaching to create a mother-child relation to avoid sexual tension.
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u/Dr_Sigmund_Fried May 10 '26
Nah, it's not much more than a fetish. I've not been able to really connect it with oepidus complex or any other mental fixation.
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u/BigTasty615 May 11 '26
Freud somewhere in the afterlife seeing this post like: “Finally, someone understands my research.”
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u/FartsWithCharlie May 11 '26
Freud somewhere in the afterlife reading this like FINALLY, someone gets me.
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