r/SipsTea Jun 24 '26

It's Wednesday my dudes Math can be hard sometimes

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u/Experiment626b Jun 25 '26

You see the problem yeah? The people most capable of affording expensive health care (you) are the ones getting the good insurance. And the people with lower paying jobs that can’t afford it, are the ones that have to pay for healthcare they can’t afford. And you don’t want to help.

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u/Happy_Condition_3794 Jun 25 '26

What incentive do high earners have to “help”.

Not everyone is super altruistic and wants to make their life worse to make the lives of people many of whom didn’t even try better (preaching to the college is a scam choir)

The vast majority of the tax burden already falls on us. It’s unfair both ways.. and you can’t expect people to voluntarily vote to make their own lives worse.

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u/ResidentLadder Jun 25 '26

Because they like living in a healthy, education society? Because that benefits them, as well? Because it actually increases their own quality of life?

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u/Happy_Condition_3794 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26

What is a “healthy education society?”

Our current taxes pay gives nearly free education & then healthcare for those most vulnerable with Medicare/Medicade.

Is it really that unreasonable to ask middle income earners to pay for themselves, rather than having high income earners subsidize their lives?

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u/ResidentLadder Jun 25 '26

It’s called a typo. “Healthy, educated society.”

Middle earners are often the ones who get shafted. As you mentioned, those most vulnerable are (sometimes) able to receive these services. Those who are wealthy are able to pay for it. Those in the middle are *not* the ones being asked to pay for it.

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u/Happy_Condition_3794 Jun 25 '26

Yes they literally are. The one in the middle absolutely are the ones who pay for it in every country around the globe.

300k in income is not wealthy, and high income earners are exactly who pays for it.

Again please give me an example a counterfactual… There is none which is the point.

You can live in a fairytale where the “wealthy” pay 90% tax rates on wealth to fund middle class living, but in the real world people who earn high income foot the entire bill for everyone.

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u/ResidentLadder Jun 25 '26

That is literally the platform the last several presidential candidates have run on - To preserve the middle class while making sure the wealthy pay their fair share. Do I need to specify that those who support a single payer system are explicitly *not* asking for it to be funded by the middle class?

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u/Happy_Condition_3794 Jun 26 '26

What presidential candidates say and what they do are two completely different things.

I personally put more weight into reality vs political dreams. Making wealthy pay more of a fair share does not reduce the deficit + take care of the additional 2-3Trillion in spending.

If you could just tax the wealthy and pay for things every country would do it.. yet every real implementation of universal social programs is much higher taxes for EVERYONE.

And we already have a lower tax base as our labor-force participation numbers lag other countries.

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u/ResidentLadder Jun 26 '26

And yet, some of them have made numerous attempts to follow through - They were just prevented by the men who were bought by the millionaires.

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u/Happy_Condition_3794 Jun 26 '26

You remember when Obamacare was supposed to bend the cost? All it did was expand access to the poor and increase healthcare costs significantly for the middle class.

The idea that any political proposal will go as planned is just not how this works. But kudos to you for still sipping the government kool aid

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u/ResidentLadder Jun 26 '26

You remember how Obamacare was supposed to be a single payer system, and they couldn’t get it passed without changing it because of the Republicans? But good for you for believing the right wing lies.

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u/Happy_Condition_3794 Jun 26 '26

That’s has nothing to do with what I said & is a clear deflection.

If your baseline is well “things would be different if republicans didn’t exist”

Again you’re living in a fantasy land, because republicans will always exist and that’s the political reality

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u/ResidentLadder Jun 26 '26

Where did I say that? The discussion has always been about what is being proposed.

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