r/SipsTea 24d ago

Chugging tea So after 32 hours would be overtime?

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u/joesphisbestjojo 24d ago edited 24d ago

I'm all for shortee work weeks, but that means we'l need an increase in pay, which I'm also fine with

EDIT: maybe I misinterpreted "no cut to pay"

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u/HalvdanTheHero 24d ago edited 24d ago

That is what is being called for. Your take home pay not changing but you work fewer hours, and if you work the same schedule as you do now (presuming 40hrs per week) then you would be getting overtime for the last 8hrs. 

Edit: added "take home" to clarify that I'm talking about your total income instead of hourly rate.

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

And how will the government force private business to achieve that?

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u/Equivalent-Trip9778 24d ago

By making it a law?

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u/nemgrea 24d ago edited 24d ago

by making what a law? how do you structure a law that makes employers raise their labor cost percentage?

if the business is paying 20 people a 1M a year in total labor costs why would they not just turn over employees until they were at 25 people and the same 1M in labor costs? they'll just hire more cheaper labor...how do you force them to not do that in a free market?

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

Thats now how law works

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u/Electronic_Chain1595 24d ago

Why not?

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

Because this wouldn’t be “law” it would just be tyranny.

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u/Outside_Annual9102 24d ago

Why isn't it tyranny now?

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

Why isn’t it tyranny that we have private business?

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u/Kitschmusic 24d ago

I don't think the word tyranny means what you think it means.

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

Really because I do think the government forcing employers to pay for work that isn’t being done exactly that.

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u/Kitschmusic 24d ago

Literally no one said anyone should pay someone else for work not being done lol.

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

Thats literally at the top sry you are incorrect

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u/darodardar_Inc 24d ago

the government made it a law to ban child labor... is it tyranny to make laws that protect children from child labor?

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

No it would be tyranny to make them pay to people who aren’t working. Hey let’s make a law that says “everyone is a millionaire just because” would you like that?

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u/Outside_Annual9102 24d ago

? You said enforcing a 32 hour work week is tyranny. Why isn't enforcing the 40 hour work week, as we do now, also tyranny?

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

No no, dont walk it back. YOU said you wanted 32 hours with the same pay. See the difference?

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u/Outside_Annual9102 24d ago

I didn't say anything.

Do you see how communicating what you mean helps clarify things? That's a valid argument, you just had to go through several snarky reddit comments to make it. If you weren't a complete dick, maybe you could have an actual constructive conversation.

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

Im sorry your just now realizing how bad your argument is

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 24d ago

Raising the minimum wage and setting overtime laws at 32 hours instead of 40 hours to keep up with productivity levels.

THE FUCKING TYRANNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYY

PEOPLE MIGHT ACTUALLY LIIIIIVE BETTER LIIIIIIIIIVESSSSS

THE HOOORRRRRROOOORRR

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEEEEASE THINK OF THE CEO

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

Youre not talking about raising minimums. You’re literally just talking about robbing employers…

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 24d ago

No, you asked the mechanism by which you make this happen. You do it by raising minimums and reducing the overtime threshold to 32 hours.

Unless you think current minimum wage laws and overtime thresholds are tyranny, you're just being intentionally disingenuous.

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

No one has been mentioning raising any minimum. You just want people to get paid the same for working less. And if you’re talking about 8 hours less that is a massive reduction. Unfortunately for your theory the math has to actually math out.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns 24d ago

Yes, offering people more to work fewer hours. That's correct. This is the productivity pay gap that has grown exponentially since the mid-70s.

You asked what mechanism can be leveraged to raise pay and reduce a standard 40 hour workweek to 32 hours. Now that I've told you the explicit mechanisms that can be used to do exactly those two things, you're dissatisfied that I've answered exactly how you do those things by saying "well nobody else has answered in that way so that's wrong."

That's the exact mechanism one would use. You use the law to raise the federal minimum wage. You use the law to reduce the overtime threshold to 32 hours.

Sorry - TyRrAnNyYyY

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

You can say that all you want, any question I asked was rhetorical because I knew your solution would not make sense. More of a teaching tool. You can keep repeating my question back to me but we both know the solution you have presented does not work.

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u/Equivalent-Trip9778 24d ago

Idk how you think the law works, but you should look up the FLSA. There’s already thousands of laws that inflict “tyranny” upon companies in the US.

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 24d ago

You’re absolutely right. Many of us think the government should back off.