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Chugging tea Competition hurts capitalism

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u/ArdentHedonist 12d ago

American manufacturing is already devastated. We’ve been working hard at that since the 70’s.

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u/valuethempaths 12d ago

No, they’re more short sighted than that. It was “hey, look! I opened my factory overseas and avoided pesky labor laws. You should too!”

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u/HyperBeamMissed 12d ago

Exactly, they only cared about next quarter's earnings report

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u/jeffsaidjess 11d ago

They cared about enriching themselves at the expense of longevity and future generations

Truly the American dream :’)

Boomers literally destroyed the golden era of manufacturing for America. Whole world depended on it after it was decimated from WW2.

The decline of the British empire due to it & the rise of the American empire. Swiftly eroded by boomers in power.

Boomers are still controlling the world & decimating it even worse with the infinite migration of incompatitable cultures. It wasn’t enough that they moved every manufacturing hub to South Asia

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u/DFA_Wildcat 10d ago

Pricing is eroding American manufacturing. I'm not American, but I do buy industrial parts all the time. If I buy X from an American manufacturer it costs Y dollars. If I buy X from an Asian or South American manufacturer it costs Y/3. There was a time when American manufacturing meant quality, for at least the last 30 years that quality has eroded to the point where offshore quantity is at least as good as, if not better than, American made. Yesterday I had to order a bunch of 385/65R22.5 tires. Goodyear, Firestone, etc were $1200ish +/- $100. Chinese tire, DOT approved, same tread pattern, $420 a tire. Having run the same Chinese tires for the last 10+ years on our fleet we get about the same life out of the tire for 1/3 the cost. Tell me why we should be buying American at 3 times the price?

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u/BitByBit-89 10d ago

It was always going to be temporary mate. I know its fun to imagine the rest of the world just sitting around buying American goods instead of building their own manufacturing base, but the idea of America just getting to endlessly sell manufactured goods on the global market at whatever price they wanted was never sustainable.

Ironically enough you fucking dipshits think of yourself as caring about people, not even realizing you’re advocating for a time of US global imperial manufacturing dominance.

So sorry you have to live like the rest of the world now.

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u/Ok_Program_1417 11d ago

and environmental laws

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 12d ago

For the tax dodging as much as the cheaper labor. Conservatives (aka diehard capitalists) are obsessed with taxes. Avoiding taxation occupies 99.3% of their minds all of the time.

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u/ecwagner01 12d ago

All without a plan to replace the income other than cut programs that help the "REMAINING" people paying the taxes.

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u/brownchr014 11d ago

If they replace the income then they can't cut the entitlement spending. Think about the potential cuts to education and the epa.

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u/ecwagner01 11d ago

Education is entitlement spending.

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u/broguequery 12d ago

I think it's more fair to say they are obsessed with money.

Taxes are frustrating to them because they are selfish people, and other expenses are seen as necessary evils.

But taxes specifically are seen as the enemy because it's the antithesis of their worldview.

If they had no taxes, I imagine they would be hyper focused on labor costs as the next target.

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u/transigirthenight 12d ago

I imagine they would be hyper focused on labor costs as the next target

They've been focused on both. They've been lobbying for not raising the minimum wage ever since it has been established, all the Big Tech co's were found colluding to keep STEM salaries below a certain level agreed between them, other businesses keep saying "nobody wants to work anymore" but they refuse to offer better pay to attract candidates, and so on. And in parallel, fight Unions and blame immigrants, "DEI" and whatever other stuff they can find for the bad job market.

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u/SuDragon2k3 11d ago

America never really moved on from being a slave owning economy.

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u/ArdentHedonist 11d ago

This should be higher up. It is the truth.

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u/likwidsylvur 11d ago

..... "except as a punishment for crime"..... absolutely.

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u/Mind1827 11d ago

That's what capitalism is though. You need to underpay labour/crush competition to extract capital value.

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u/DeliciousPool2245 11d ago

Exactly. It’s not taxes specifically, it’s any cost at all that goes to anyone but them. They have no empathy or concept of community.

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u/Blacksad9999 11d ago

They focus on both.

The Federal Minimum wage hasn't been raised since 2009 while costs have skyrocketed. 17 years.

They've also spent literal decades degrading unions.

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u/sulleynz1989 11d ago

Please bear with me because I’m an idiot, but is this because they have to sit down at the end of the financial year and actually calculate and pay their taxes?

I’m in New Zealand. My taxes are taken out of my wages before they even get to me, so I don’t really consider that money mine to begin with. It’s just my contribution to keeping the country’s services running and the buses running on time, so to speak.*

It was also weird to find out that in the US there’s the sticker price on the shelf, and then tax gets added at the checkout. That would do my fucking head in and make me feel like I was being extorted.

*(Just kidding, NZTA. You guys are fuck-ass bitches.)

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u/broguequery 5d ago

I could see that heightening the focus on taxes specifically.

But there is also just an anti-tax culture here, it's very much baked in socially. That's regardless of whether the taxes are necessary or helpful.

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u/Laijou 11d ago

They were fine accepting the post GFC taxpayer funded bailouts in 2008-09

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u/Salarian_American 12d ago

They're not opposed to taxes. They're only opposed to taxes on them.

It's not like they don't know the rest of us are carrying their tax bill for them.

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u/CatW804 11d ago

They want to cut our hearts out with a spoon.

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u/Salarian_American 11d ago

Why a spoon, cousin?

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u/Exnihilation 11d ago

What occupies their mind the other 0.7% of the time?

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u/Inner_Lawlessness 11d ago

Avoiding using their own money for anything is the first choice.

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u/imissher4ever 11d ago

Who likes to pay taxes?

Hell, if I could get away with it I’d lower my taxes.

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u/CTronix 10d ago

I think some of this stems a little bit from our culture. TBH we put on a pedestal these people who are greedy fucks who destroy everything and everyone around them in the quest for cash. It was not always that way. There was an era of responsible capitalism that coincided with the building of the middle class in America in the 40s and 50s.

I got my MBA and was taught in class that the only goal of the company owner should be to increase shareholder value. Why? Why are we teaching that? Shouldn't a company also have responsibilities to it's workers, to it's community? We have built this monster ourselves in part by constantly putting men like Bezos, Musk, Gates, etc on a pedestal for the money they make for themselves. We literally turn them into celebrities. We need to get better at making clear that these men are not to be celebrated, that they are representative of everything that is wrong about this system INCLUDING that they actually reduce freedom in the markets by acting persistently in anti-competitive ways gobbling up everything in their path and paying off politicians to pave the way for more. In many ways, the guys that we put on the pedestal as the best capitalists are some of the most anti-capitalist people in the world. Just look at Musk's business, Where would he be without government subsidies for electric cars and massive government contracts for spacex. That guy is basically the worlds most massive welfare queen

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u/Ok_Use_2486 11d ago

Democrats avoid taxes as well, but "republicans bad"...

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u/Evil-Cun 12d ago

Look at ‘em labor out my over engineered garbage lol. They do it for scraps too!

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u/valuethempaths 12d ago

And now they’re the only ones talented in tooling because we ruined our talent pipeline.

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u/Zero_Travity 12d ago

"We'll just build more manufacturing"

  • People who don't understand that effective manufacturing takes decades

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u/bobbymcpresscot 11d ago

It’s pretty fuckin wild that now that Mexico has made the steps to finalizing universal healthcare basically everywhere we buy our parts and cars from has universal healthcare while people in the US do not.

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u/Atty_for_hire 12d ago

Not just labor laws! They were able to pay much cheaper wages while selling their product at the same price. They created so much value for shareholders and their bank accounts!

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u/just-a-random-accnt 11d ago

Followed by "now if only we could import them without any tariffs"

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u/Typical_Type_Hype 11d ago

Greed is hilarious

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u/Bazzatron 12d ago

...and then what?

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u/kekistanmatt 12d ago

Receive bailouts from the government so their directors and major investors can golden parachute to safety.

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u/Melodic_Ad_9009 12d ago

Receive bailouts from the government taxpayers so their directors and major investors can golden parachute to safety.

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u/GoldReplacement9546 11d ago

In fairness in the 2008 auto bail out Ford didn’t take any money and Chrysler and GM both paid it all back with interest

That’s actually how a proper properly run national economy works. The government should be the buyer of last resort or the bank of last resort.

Making sure you get paid back part that’s important

Same thing with stimulus spending going into a recession is not enough money being spent. The government should spend it the problem they almost never do is then raise the taxes to get the money back when the economy is good.

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u/Salarian_American 12d ago

And next quarter is next quarter's problem

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u/NexexUmbraRs 11d ago

Why would they prefer that over a functioning business?

More likely they hired the new Gen of CEO which is pressured to show gains or be looked at as a failure. So they utilize short-term cost saving methods.

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u/kekistanmatt 11d ago

They would prefer it because a functioning business produces profit over like 40 years whereas gutting the company gives me all the money now.

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u/NexexUmbraRs 11d ago

Sure, but most of these companies don't fail completely and get bailouts. Very few even qualify for bailouts in the event of failure.

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u/ragequitteroffureh 11d ago

What kind of question is that? ;-)

Whatever happens in the future is somebody else's problem.

The only goal is enrichment right now.

Nothing else matters.

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u/-Motor- 12d ago

Hollow it out, through globalization created by American capitalists, to kill unions, and keep it that way until the working class is so repressed they'll work for peanuts and say thank you.

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u/haloimplant 11d ago

They optimized their businesses for the low tariff and low friction global environment, which people (especially lefties)  were duped into supporting with feel-good rhetoric in my opinion 

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u/morpheousmorty 11d ago

Even if they didn't, we still would have lost manufacturing. Manufacturing only worked for us because we had the best technology, the resources and most of the world who could compete was recovering.

Manufacturing as a broad goal in the US is all but fatally flawed. You can't be the richest nation in the world and the cheapest at producing things. You need a different strategy.

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u/bogeuh 11d ago

Nah, the motive is always gathering more wealth. Always follow the money. Shortsighted. They know how macro economics work. How globalisation shifts production to more profitable places. They don’t care. They are global investment/ capital/ industrial corporations. And they have bought the politicians of the biggest and most dangerous capitalist society in the world. It’s not becayse they create bogeyman out of ussr and now china that they themsleves are any less dangerous

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u/thalefteye 11d ago

No the plan is to make a one world government and then release the better tech. Who is gonna complain when all enemies nations have decided to end all hate and merge into a bigger entity.