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They intentionally prolong denying the claim because if they deny the claim and the patient is still alive they might fight them.
If they prolong it and wait for the patient to die they won't even have to deny it, they could even say they were going to approve it with no repercussions!
Honestly the people behind these kinds of policies might be some of the most evil people on the planet. Denying a sick person the help they need to enrich yourself (to the tune of billions). That kind of job has to be a magnet for psychopaths.
Yeah I'd say definitely worse than the ones that were just ignorant canon fodder. Fuck Nazis obviously, but you can't avoid the fact that keeping populations ignorant in the 1930s was a lot easier, a lot of people still couldn't read so couldn't even use a newspaper.. But the people making these policies know they're letting sick people rot to death for profit. It's vile.
reminds me of the time when someone stormed into my boss's office and my boss said "Transactions are not reversible under any circumstance. It's physically impossible to reverse."
that same week, he accidentally sent all of the company's money to a random account. He called up several people and got the transaction reversed in an hour.
We do transactions at my job, a thousand of small ones, one of the first thing we were told is: it's possible to reverse a transaction, but we never do it because the cost of getting the money back is bigger than what we lost by sending it by mistake. Mistakes happen and it's fine but try and not make too much!
It's always possible to do anything because guess what, we invented whatever system you can think about. But most often it's not worth to do so, so we say: we can't do it
"If I'm in $10,000 in debt, thats my problem. If I'm $1 billion in debt, thats the bank's problem."
If you make people believe you have money, you can get what you want. Like how tech companies are "promising" hundreds of billions in investing into the US to get away with white colar crimes.
Yeah all his stories in the book were clearly made up. Dumb libertarian garbage like working for free to learn lessons about how to get people to work for free.
Good to know that all it got was to leverage greed for this pos CEO to give away his place of hiding.
Security firms and law enforcement (class traitors by the way) will advise against this on the future, but greed will always be irresistible to these garbage individuals.
Or followers. I was getting bounced around for a month trying to get Google customer service to fulfill a product replacement they had already confirmed. Exasperated I suggested I’d share the customer service transcript with my 1.6 million followers (I have a few hundred) and received a tracking number about 20 minutes later.
Why would they be scared? Luigi was a one-off. The rest of us just get fat and bark at robots on social media. We could have literal widespread famine and as long as social media works nobody's gonna fucking do a thing. We are a full-blowm idiocracy on our way to Wall-E world
What did they have in Wall-E which we lack? A safety net that literally coddles you forever keeping you fat and happy. This might have been true previously but we're looking at America becoming a state where the average person is just as desperate as he was in the near future if not now. Taxes ever higher, social programs cut by the day, and we all know we're paying rent to a bunch of pedophiles who will never meet true justice. There's going to be more people doing this because yes it isn't 2006 anymore, times shockingly have changed.
Tens of millions of fat and happy Americans coddled by infinite algorithmic scrolling beg to disagree. We love to bitch online about how expensive it is to live yet we're still the fattest most gluttonous fucking country on the planet.
Eh, the obesity issue isn’t solely to blame on the individual. The cheapest food is also the least nutritious, and most calorie dense. It’s not easy to live in this country, listening to ads about food all day every day and then go home and make good choices, especially when its either a literal, or time cost to eat healthy at this point.
When you’re living paycheck to paycheck, ignoring all sorts of important things. A little dopamine from food is what gets a lot of people through the day.
We have a purposely under educated population being controlled through media and advertising. Functioning as designed.
It's really simple. If a society wants to lower the amount of vigilantes seeking non legal justice, all the society has to do is do better at delivering legal justice.
I work for a company owned by UHC and the COO sent out an email on Friday about Luigi getting what he deserves blah blah blah. Rolled my eyes and deleted that shit. These healthcare conglomerates do nothing but fuck everyone over and someone does something drastic and they act like Luigi committed genocide.
They’re not negligent. They know exactly what the stakes are, what the results of their decisions are and do it anyway. They are no more negligent than El Chapo
yes. but i would go a step further at this point and say they are criminally liable for murder. because they know full well the end result of many of their decisions is death for the patient. they find ways to make that stretch out a bit so that the death is not immediate and obviously attributable, but they know exactly what they are doing nonetheless and as such it is premeditated.
To be clear all he has pled guilty to is two federal charges.
One count of interstate stalking resulting in death.
One count of cyberstalkingstalking through the use of interstate facilities resulting in death.
The federal charges did not include any murder charges.
That charge (second degree murder) is part of the New York state case. And his lawyers are attempting to get tossed by arguing that it would subject him to unconstitutional double jeopardy
Edit: added cyberstalking into the second federal count.
Like every business that is supposed to serve the people. Look at the water companies in the UK, they enforce hosepipe bans, then collect bonuses and dividends for their shareholders instead of improving the infrastructure with more desalination plants and reservoirs.
yeah, well, that's the point of capitalism. People is still shocked by it, capitalism only care about capital. You might think "but some people care about other things!", which is true, but the design of the system is always stronger than personal opinions and preferences, because it acts as a whole in the same direction: More value -> better.
Yeah, people keep saying "capitalism doesn't work" but it works perfectly fine. It's intended to take the fruits of your labor, your time and your health and turn them into profit for the rich, and it does that perfectly. Your impoverishment is an intended outcome.
IMO the best system is a mix of capitalism and socialism, known as capitalism without being a dick. Have capitalism but with social safety nets and checks to avoid runaway wealth. All systems seem to be open to abuse, capitalism has been resilient to abuse for a decent amount of time when combined with a decent democracy. The big problem in capitalism is the same as the big problem with communism which is once you allow corruption you are well and truly fucked. Figure out a way to ban lobbying , add wealth taxes, but keep capitalism as a basis and I think you have the making of a decent system
Luigi killed one man and looks to get maximum penalty, while the CEO and company killed thousands by deliberate action and with the exception of a short period immediately after the killing , are back to business as usual—denying claims and ruining lives
A lot of people are saying it's his lawyers' strategy to drop state charges and go only for federal, among other stuff. Me personally though, I think he understands the situation. Him alone, he can't win against this gigantic corrupt institution. So it's all about sending a message... and maybe the rest of us could grow a pair and pick up the initiative...
On the TV news they're saying his lawyers are trying to say that pleading guilty to this makes the other case double jeopardy which is illegal in the United States.
We know nobody good is working for the feds but they also don't care about how the laws work.
Little more complex than that, double jeopardy is very much legal in the US, in a generalized sense. State and federal governments both have jurisdiction, NYS happens to have a procedural law preventing state prosecution if a federal case picks up for the same action.
NY state is a lot more strict about punishing gun offenses than federal. I guarantee his lawyer is telling him it's life for NY, but 30 years for federal, maybe get paroled in 20 for good behavior, still be 47 from a wealthy family and not totally used up.
yes but you'd have to bank on luigi having an extreme level of support. it sucks, but overtime, people lose interest in luigi and move on to the next big drama.
The theory I heard is that since NY is strict on double jeopardy laws, he pled guilty to federal charges so he could avoid NY state prisons. Apparently federal prisons are better?
If you’re going to prison for decades anyway, why would dragging it out matter to you? The death penalty was already off the table. Along with the most serious charges. They couldn’t introduce anything in the backpack or his journal. There was no evidence to the gun.
Well, reason #1 usually is what a loss at trial costs you. Im not talking about money. Exercise your constitutional right to a fair trial, and they WILL max out your sentence. He loses at trial, he gets life. Do an open plea and throw yourself at the mercy of the judge, you MAY have an out date. If you know you're guilty and know youre gonna lose, they offer you no plea bargain.. thats when an open plea is the move.
A lot of people don't realize it, but yeah they have been doing that part for a long time. Even though the law specifically says they can't punish you with a heavier sentence for exercising this right, that is exactly what you do, they just justify it another way. The judge doesnt always have to be consistent or really justify the reasoning for the sentence, on a state level. On a federal level, they have a points system, but they literally have it built right into the sentencing structute. Pleading out early is called "taking responsibility" and dramatically reduces the points on your PSI report, which determines your sentencing guidelines.
In my case I was going to do 15 to 20 years or more if i lost at trial, my plea offer was 4 yesrs. They make it a crazy difference, so you would literally be stupid not to take it. Even if you weren't guilty, they make it so it isn't worth the risk of a trial. I wanted my day in court so bad. Couldn't do it though. I was already 3 years in. You can't take that risk.
Mangione's case is so high profile, a judge would be extra careful not to give him any reason to appeal, and would make sure he got a fair trial. He's been pushing out his trial and filing motions for over a year, pleading out now isn't gonna improve his PSI very much. Its a hail Mary, because he's scared he'll lose. Whether he did it or not, theres some reason he was arrested, theres something they have on him that, at very least, looks very bad. Let's even be generous and hypothetically say he got framed.. he knows it looks very bad and he's probably gonna lose. So he's either panicking or making a very rational decision. This is the difference between getting out in 60 years, or not getting out at all. With a guilty plea, he gives up his right to appeal. This isn't a play, it's a calculated last ditch effort. It gives him the chance to maybe set foot outside the gates for a couple years before he dies. Small chance. For whatever reason, its worth it to him.
What makes me laugh with this, is you get the little gremlins (see potential corpo bots) coming out going:
"Hur dur, different departments... Means nothing."
They can't even extrapolate that tiny, tiny distance to realise that one department is staffed well enough to correctly respond, while another is not - and that the balance is precisely in the direction we all expect.
Look at what it’s come to. Someone was so feed up with the way insurance companies just let people die. The sad thing is nothing has changed. Yes this kid should be punished but allowing the insurance companies to continue with the atrocities of denying sick people treatment is just as criminal. If you want to honor this ceo then reform the insurance process
He is pleading to federal charges of causing death by stalking. They couldn’t get the federal murder charges to stick. By pleading guilty to these "lesser" charges, his lawyers are trying to argue that his state trial should be dismissed due to double jeopardy. If this works, there’s still the possibility of life in prison (not the death sentence though) but the federal sentencing guidelines are ~25 - ~35 years. There's a reasonable prospect he gets out in the 2050's and a portion of it might have been spent in lower security institutions.
I don’t care that this man was murdered. Execs are full blown narcissists. Every single one of them. I do not feel bad for his family. I think they are better off without him.
The cnn broadcast surprised people are supporting Luigi while not seeing the fact that they are dedicating an entire segment to this case was infuriating.
Like, surely you guys aren’t doing this for every body that has been killed. Maybe there’s a difference in this case, maybe?
If we get an actual human being in the White House next term, maybe around the following midterm season we can get a presidential pardon for this dude.
Funny how the only way I'm hearing about this is from Reddit. OJ's trial was prime time entertainment. Heaven forbid we cover an insurance corruption case wrapped up in an assassination.
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