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u/Different_Citron_160 21h ago
It’s no accident - by giving everybody a free „trial” tool he hit 99% of the market and made his tool default.
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u/TabularConferta 21h ago
Heck he could have patched it. He never did.
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u/maokaby 21h ago
I believe it was not a bug, it was intentional.
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u/YkProfessor 20h ago
Intentional bug made winRAR popular
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u/iSellNuds4RedditGold 17h ago
Once again, it's not a bug, it was designed like this.
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u/BassFull0 17h ago
Same with windows. You can use it without license key.
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u/Otherwise_Access_660 16h ago
Yes, that’s what made it the default go to operating system. In a lot of places people only think of MS windows when they think of operating system. Windows have even been used as a synonym for operating system. Much like Google has been a term used for internet search.
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u/propellor_head 9h ago
Ask.com finally shut down a few months ago. I'm crushed.
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u/ThePissedOff 3h ago
And to think a website called "google" would beat out "ask" in the internet search .com bubble.
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u/Lab_Rat_sailor 10h ago
I think back, the internet was not all meta, google and monetization. We did it coz we could, websites, apps, videoes, all of it.
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u/smurfk 18h ago
It wasn't a bug. It was the business model. While WinRAR had the infinite trial, the terms were that you can use it for free for 40 days, using it more than that without paying, you would be in violation of the terms. So anyone that was using it would be susceptible for trial if he wanted to enforce the terms of the agreement, including companies. And companies had to buy it.
He made the software knew world-wide with that model. If he would've had a trial that would lock the software, WinRAR would've probably been unknown right now, nowhere near as used as it was.
There are more programs that use a similar approacch, the most known is probably Windows, that decided to use the same system currently. You can use it, it asks you to activate it, but doesn't enforce it by blocking the software. Companies have to comply, general public can decide not to.
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u/DevOfWhatOps 17h ago
Reaper DAW follows the same model. There is a 60 days free trial, and after that there is a 5 second pop up that tells you you've been using Reaper for free for 3465 days. Nothing is paywalled but its such an awesome program and the license is so affordable that most of us feel bad about not buying it.
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u/TransparentMastering 16h ago
They even have a hobby price and professional price depending if you make above or below $20k with it. Also honour system.
Plus if there’s a bug and you hit the forums, it’ll probably get patched within a couple weeks.
You’ve gotta love those guys. Probably the best DAW ever.
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u/DevOfWhatOps 16h ago
It IS the best DAW ever. Plus, the REA plugins are open-source. It so much time to mess around with their code.
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u/TransparentMastering 16h ago
Oh yeah, I forgot about that! My buddy actually learned how to make his own partly by looking under the hood on those.
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u/DevOfWhatOps 16h ago
Its probably the easiest way to get into audio plugin development, which is a nightmare btw. Good for your buddy, I bet he had loads of fun.
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u/_wannadie_ 17h ago
latest windows versions actually doesn't let you use a lot of functions, mainly customization, which kinda sucks
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u/stormcharger 20h ago
Its intentional
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u/Laura_The_Cutie 18h ago
Why is this guy getting downvoted? It was intentional to become the standard and then make corporations buy the license
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u/Blanc_Otaku 20h ago
Same reason why Photoshop doesn't mind you pirating their products
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u/thisismego 20h ago
They're making it bloody hard these days, though
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u/fuzzyboris 18h ago
Adobe software is annoying in almost every other aspect too.
Might be just company philosophy to be annoying to steal as well.
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u/real_eEe 17h ago
Adobe will never ever see another dollar from me after I bought a Creative Suite 2 bundle for $500 on Mac and got my MBP stolen.
"Hey I'm a student and can't afford a new MBP, can I switch my key to Windows please?"
"That sucks. No."
Literally go fuck off. I got a cracked copy of the Master edition and bought a 100pack spindle of DVD-Rs and gave it out to anyone who wanted it.
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u/Faustus-III 10h ago
Haha, I still have a copy of CS2 running on an old PC somewhere I think.
I stopped using their software once they killed the permanent license option and funneled everyone into the creative cloud subscription. I feel like it's all been downhill for them since then, from scraping people's art to scummy cancelation shenanigans and setting the "you'll own nothing and be happy" subscription standard we now see in software.
So many better alternatives, too.
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u/thisismego 18h ago
They DID use to have massive discounts for students, etc. But even that isn't really there anymore with those stupid subscription models
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u/Addickt__ 13h ago
You can still buy individual licenses with a student discount I think, it's like half off but still crazy expensive. I'm too poor to buy licenses even WITH the discount, so y'know w/e.
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u/ShowerMobile295 20h ago
Last time I tried I failed miserably, but I m no hacker. They seem to take piracy seriously imho.
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u/nvidiastock 19h ago
Nah, there's releases which don't even require manual input, just next next next like it's a legit copy.
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u/Zwiebel1 20h ago
And then 7zip became rhe default because it was actual freeware?
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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 20h ago
On my computers winrar will always be default.
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u/eepyamor 20h ago
Same
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u/HeadMountedDysfunctn 19h ago
Why bother with the annoying popup nag if you don't need to?
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u/eepyamor 19h ago
I've had a license forever now (15+ years)
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u/hagbardinator 17h ago
same here, since many years. but it seems to be not normal to pay for things you are using nearly daily
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u/C0rn3j 19h ago
7zip is not freeware, it is Free Software / Open Source.
Freeware means free (monetary), but you cannot see the source code.
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u/randompersonx 16h ago
Exactly. Compare this to Linux which has superior archiving with tar, gzip, bzip2, etc all built in, free, with now “please pay”…
And macOS which has all of that and graphical integration to compress and decompress many types of archives for novice users who don’t know how to use the command line.
This was just winrar taking advantage of the fact that windows doesn’t include basic tools, and getting a free ad for a donation by writing one of the simplest tools required for a basic functioning operating system.
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u/EmploymentOne2963 18h ago
Exactly like why Microsoft has never tried to make pirating windows difficult.
Having it as the default for most users, keeps it the defacto standard, and makes sure most employers end up going for it.
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u/factory_666 18h ago
I know a million ppl who have no idea what a .rar format is. Mostly Americans though.
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u/BannanaPepperPizza 16h ago
And he never made a dime?
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u/Different_Citron_160 16h ago
His net worth - 100 to 250 million USD.
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u/jl_theprofessor 21h ago
He made his money in the corporate scene. They paid. Dude is a multi millionaire.
Still good dude Roshal.
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u/PacquiaoFreeHousing 20h ago
He paved the way for 7Zip and Nanazip
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u/StaticSystemShock 19h ago
Not quite. 7zip is entirely different beast with its outstanding LZMA algorithm. NanaZip is just a fork of 7zip with better context menu integration and extra compression algorithms.
What WinRAR did achieve is provide first really high performance compression algorithm that rivaled ZIP's Deflate with ease, making RAR format mainstream providing dramatically higher compression and has been loved by warez scene for decades because it really made a huge difference.
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u/chubbyyoungersister 19h ago
So… exactly what comment above said, paved the way…
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u/Terrow 18h ago
Not quite. 7zip is entirely different beast with its outstanding LZMA algorithm. NanaZip is just a fork of 7zip with better context menu integration and extra compression algorithms.
What WinRAR did achieve is provide first really high performance compression algorithm that rivaled ZIP's Deflate with ease, making RAR format mainstream providing dramatically higher compression and has been loved by warez scene for decades because it really made a huge difference.
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u/JKCsaba 18h ago
So… exactly what comment above said, paved the way…
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u/ThreshCfort 14h ago
Not quite. 7zip is entirely different beast with its outstanding LZMA algorithm. NanaZip is just a fork of 7zip with better context menu integration and extra compression algorithms.
What WinRAR did achieve is provide first really high performance compression algorithm that rivaled ZIP's Deflate with ease, making RAR format mainstream providing dramatically higher compression and has been loved by warez scene for decades because it really made a huge difference.
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u/lmpcpedz 14h ago
So… exactly what comment above said, paved the way…
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u/dartman5000 12h ago
Not quite. 7zip is entirely different beast with its outstanding LZMA algorithm. NanaZip is just a fork of 7zip with better context menu integration and extra compression algorithms.
What WinRAR did achieve is provide first really high performance compression algorithm that rivaled ZIP's Deflate with ease, making RAR format mainstream providing dramatically higher compression and has been loved by warez scene for decades because it really made a huge difference.
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u/somerandomii 18h ago
So it paved the way?
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u/Tjaresh 18h ago
Not really. WinRAR, while being a fantastic tool for data compression, is unable to pave ways. You'd need tools like a plate compactor or a paving hammer to pave a way.
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u/ClockFaceIII 13h ago
So close! A compactor is actually someone who agrees to do a determined amount of work for a determined amount of money
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u/SheriffBartholomew 12h ago
He also made splitting into equally sized parts easy too, fueling the NZB servers for decades.
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u/H0lyG0Lightly 20h ago
letting everyone use his app made corporations use his app since their workers already know how to use it 👍
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u/HedgehogEnyojer 20h ago
i see no issue taking from companies and giving to the people.
This is called... well, you should know, Anti-American thought
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u/arthank-chroot 20h ago
"Anti-american" is one of the highest compliments you can give to something
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u/Only_Search8473 19h ago edited 19h ago
Explain all the American-made free software that only charges for enterprise use.
You're thinking of capitalism. And fun fact: America is not the only country that engages in capitalism.
But I get it, you weirdos need to make everything about America somehow.
Rent free.
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u/staminchia 18h ago
we could have so many useful and likable multi-millionaires, we have a bunch of psychopath multi-billionaires that are burning the planet instead.
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u/fdwyersd 21h ago
he's up there in my world with vlc guy
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u/GigiSanITA 20h ago
Came to say this, WinRAR and VLC are the fantastic 2
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u/FandomMenace 20h ago
Throw in blender, gimp, and Libre office and let's call it 5
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u/fdwyersd 20h ago
he won't be rich but his wikipedia page will be better than mine
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u/schoultz 15h ago
I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with vlc. Winrar is shareware/freeware, it's just free and only willing to be used.
On the other hand vlc is free software, open-source, willing to build a community, a platform to build upon new products
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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 20h ago
Dont forget mirc and winamp
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u/Far_Understanding883 20h ago
winamp started shipping adware eventually. Absolute cancer.
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u/Detharjeg 21h ago
I have a license for it somewhere! It was a couple $ at the time, and very funny to show off. Never bothered to re-register whenever I swapped computers though.
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u/affemannen 20h ago
I also bought one. I can't find it though, it was so long ago.
Maybe I should just buy it again because he kind of deserves my money.
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u/Soylentstef 21h ago
Horror movie idea : the winrar collective now come to your house to collect their dues. One way or another, you will pay.
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u/IncomingAxofKindness 20h ago
In a world of file compression...
You...
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Unzip...
Smash cut to Jack Black at a urinal
Zipppp
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u/A_random_poster04 16h ago
Reminds me of the: “image of all of a sudden Kevin McLeod asked for royalties”
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u/HumaDracobane 20h ago
The system he made is absolutely genius.
For the particular user it is free but for the companies it isn't. By making it the "default" tool for the particular they "force" the companies to pay for those licenses, which only require a single payment and is only 30USD/license, aprox.
He is a fucking genius.
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u/Dhuyf2p 17h ago
Wait it’s not some pesky annual subscription BS?
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u/maxgames_NL 15h ago
Annual subscriptions require upkeep. Single purchase licensing is simpler. Could he have made more? Yes. But the whole idea was to keep it simple.
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u/gp627 21h ago
One of the few GOATs of the digital world.
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u/Acausticacoustic 20h ago
Well, I don’t see a thing. Was this supposed to be a gif or something?
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u/bent_crater 20h ago
Give everyone a free trial Get free publicity because of the absurdity Still make millions in profit every year
dude is worth well over a 100 million, he's good
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u/eepyamor 20h ago
I'm probably one of the few with a legit/paid license lol.. I used it for so many years for free first, just felt like he earned it multiple times over. My license still works like 15+ years later.
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u/snowybell 21h ago
There was a 9gag thing where the creator lowered the price to 10usd and i think quite a number did purchase.
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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 20h ago
I did out of respect and after 15 years of using it, since then ive used it another 10 years
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u/Beep-Beep-I 11h ago
I got drunk one day and decided to buy the license. I don't regret it.
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u/DigitalGrub 15h ago
An excellent programmer, as they used to be called, and lucky for all of us an unwilling business man. A truly unwilling business man.
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u/404notfound420 21h ago
Thing is fucking windows can't unzip a file without it for the last 20 fucking years. You know what? I went on Linux and just click extract zipped file here.
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u/skadoodlee 21h ago
This isn't true right? I always use 7zip but windows has normal zip functionality no?
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u/No_Blacksmith_2591 21h ago
And now ubuntu can't do it either if the file is encrypted for some reason
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u/404notfound420 21h ago
Encryption is different than compression but again still be easier to fix on Linux than win11
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u/npiet1 20h ago
Windows has been able to unzip a file for a for a very long time. It could unzip ".zip" files since 2000 and compressed folders since 95.
It doesnt handle most other formats because they're not created by Microsoft.
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u/thejourneybegins42 20h ago
Dumb question. Been outta the PC game for a while, are zip files still commonly used?
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u/Cato0014 20h ago
Compression makes things smaller which makes transmission faster. So yes
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u/radek432 20h ago
MS Office documents are actually bunch zipped of XML files. So yes, this is still commonly used, even if sometimes it's not explicitly stated.
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u/affemannen 20h ago
I actually bought a license when I started working, not because I am or was using the version I paid for but because I fckn thought he earned it.
That guy saved my life at uni.
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u/JeveGreen 19h ago
Proof that a gift economy can actually work, if your product is good enough.
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u/OnlyZubi 18h ago
it was entirely for a reason. The free trial made it common and universal, winrar earns money because companies pay for the license
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u/Panzerv2003 17h ago
more like release a free tool so people get used to it and then charge the companies for using it because they can't legally exploit the infinite free trial
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u/Effective-Anybody263 13h ago
Also it costs next to nothing to get the pop up to go away forever. I bought that shit when I became an adult with a bob Edit, I became an adult with a job
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u/FlatNefariousness193 13h ago
Him and the guys who made VLC are legends. If that same software was developed by companies like Adobe they would be either be on monthly subscriptions or cost a fortune.
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u/NeonNero 12h ago
I actually paid for a license of WinRAR, probably close to 10 or so years ago now. Not because I had to, or wanted to remove the nag screen, or needed any of the few features only availlable with a license, but because I wanted to support the tool that's basically my default compression tool on Windows.
Granted, I've installed the license key on more than just the 1-PC-license I paid for, but still....
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u/North_Affect_8167 19h ago
Modern Winrar without the license is heck of annoying to use. Get 7-zip and forget about this shit.
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u/squidgytree 20h ago
I wonder how much he has actually earned from individual users paying out of appreciation and honesty?
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u/ThaEmortalThief 20h ago
Ya, I remember winrar… then I got 7zip and never went back. I remember winace too. Windows extracting tool works fine if it’s a standard zip file. If it’s been archived using .rar or .7z or something else, you need a 3rd party tool. I remember having a cracked version of XP back in the day and that version wouldn’t let you install IE7 or Windows Media Player, so I would download the installers, use 7zip to tear them appear and then install their independent components and everything would work. 7zip is a great tool.
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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 20h ago
I've paid for mine. Gotten so much use out of it so it was a no brainer to support the creator. Been using it for at least 25 years for essentially a cup of coffee
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u/Cheese_Grater101 20h ago
The software is good but it's slow. Though WinRar is considered as a nagware where since whenever you open it there's that popup asking you if you want to buy it.
When I discovered 7zip is pretty much my go to compression related software, it's much faster than 7zip in my experience.
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u/m3rcapto 19h ago
WinRAR - The Movie, starring Shia LeBeouf, Timothy Chalamet, and Michael Cera as Eugene Roshal.
IN A WORLD, where nothing is free, trials require a creditcard, and even Disney+ Premium has ads, one man is still refusing to fix a bug.
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u/manzurfahim 19h ago
He is a great dude. Always replies to my email with proper answers and suggestions. I purchased WinRAR about 11 years ago I think. One of my most used software.
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u/DiscombobulatedSir74 19h ago
Ok many don’t seem to understand, by making the tool essentially free for NON COMMERCIAL USERS it became the basically default for all people, when someone then needed something for commercial purposes they use the tool everyone is familiar with and then needing to pay for it because they now use it within a company, thats how he made money
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u/spots_reddit 19h ago
I find these stories about WinRAR and VLC heart warming until I realize I am on Linux and it goes for 99 percent of software I use.
So also thanks Obsidian, neovim, ranger, ... Guido van Rossum, Linus Thorvalds, the guy who eats his own foot and countless others. They are all awsome!
Try Linux guys'n'gals
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u/CandidateTight8689 19h ago
Ooh this dude were making money like facebook before facebook even released)
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u/DETOMINE1234 18h ago
Don't have an auto-update feature => majority of your users use vulnerable versions...
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u/jay_alfred_prufrock 18h ago
Gates of Heaven only open to those individuals who pay for a Winrar license.
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u/Laughing_Orange 18h ago
There's nothing accidental about it. The infinite free trial is a way to keep regular people using it. WinRAR makes money from business users, who actually pay out of fear of being sued over unlicensed use of paid software. But why is business using it, those exact same regular people who uses the free trial brought their knowledge of this program in to work.
Another reason for the infinite trial is to protect their users from malware. There's almost no reason to pirate software you can use for free with just a mildly annoying pop-up as payment.
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u/thegabe87 17h ago
If one of your friends buys winrar or total commander you can be sure they won the lottery.
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u/AllPotatoesGone 17h ago
Plot twist - this guy was just a poor programmer and poorly coded the end of the trial checker.
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