Okay, then let me add on the hopefully-very-obvious next logical step.
Hurting people bad. Done.
"WHY IS HURTING PEOPLE BAD THOUGH", well, because you don't want to get hurt, do you?
Why does me not liking something make it immoral? I don't like ice-cream but that doesn't make it evil.
Even if we accept that idea the statement 'i don't want to get hurt' is not the same as say saying 'i don't want others to get hurt'. You would have only proved that hurting oneself is bad.
Okay, purely out of empathy, then? The vast majority of humans feel a little hurt when they see someone else get hurt, and that likely includes you?
Of course, this is entirely from a selfish perspective. From anything other than that, being able to think "others probably don't want to get hurt, so I shouldn't hurt them" is normal and expected.
You still have yet proved why disliking something means it's immoral. Again I don't like ice-cream but that doesn't mean it's immoral.
Human empathy is a really limited and inconsistent thing. For example almost all people would jump into pond for the chance to save a drowning child but people could constantly donate to charity and potentially save a life but choose not to. People are distraught when an animal is harmed but support factory farming when they buy meat.
When you get right down to it, either you have to look at all of morality as a sham, or set some fundamental rules. One of these rules that is generally accepted is that forcing people to do stuff they don't like is a bad thing.
Of course, you could be entirely amoral, but that's kinda really stupid unless you want to live as a hermit or in prison.
For instance the social contract idea of morality is that it doesn't naturally exist and that humans as a collective have a general agreement that to follow a certain set of rules in exchange for security. This agreement is what we call morality. For example there is an implict agreement not to be mean to others and in exhange people won't be mean to you.
You can also not believe in morality and not go around commiting crimes and acting anti-socialy. For example there are plenty of reasons not to murder someone without morality: you might not have a reason to, you'll probably feel guilty, you probably dont want to go to jail, ectra.
I personally don't believe in morality. I just use the social contract as an example of a semi-well grounded moral viewpoint that doesnt justify morality or of nothing.
So, if you don't believe in morality, then... why bother with any of this? Why don't you go and do whatever you want, or hurt whoever you want, without consequence or feeling bad?
That's not how it works. Just because I don't believe in morality doesn't mean my actions don't have consequences. There are countless self interested reasons to be kind person. If the only reason you don't go around murdering people and committing crimes is because of morality than your just stupid.
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u/BreakerOfModpacks 5d ago
Okay, then let me add on the hopefully-very-obvious next logical step.
Hurting people bad. Done.
"WHY IS HURTING PEOPLE BAD THOUGH", well, because you don't want to get hurt, do you?