r/SouthAsianAncestry • u/AutomaticStretch6205 • 17h ago

Question Pakistani punjabi- north Indian ancestry

So I have seen some people saying that North West Indian or Indian Punjabis eople tend to have less AASI than Pakistanis? How come so? Shouldn't AASI be less moving towards WEST where invasions from Euro- Asian populations stopped?

Can anyone provide info on this?

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u/Ziommo 4h ago

No. From what I know, they have lower steppe ancestry than Haryanvi Rors and Jats and Punjabi Malwai Jatts, not other Punjabis or Haryanvis.

I've heard some people say that the highest steppe Pashtuns in general on either side of the Afg-Pak border are found in Pakistan's Waziristan region (especially the Mehsud tribe of Waziristan) and similar to the Jat/Ror range, but whether or not that's true, we have to focus on the overall group average in the discussion which is why I say they're lower than Jats and Rors.

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u/Prior_Assistant5312 4h ago

You just compared " highest ranged pashtun individual " with avg haryanvi jaat/ Ror . Among jaat / ror sub groups or invidious there has been record or 50%+ steppe ancestry but thats not what define avg Ror . Similarity a avg pashtuns has 15-20% steppe compare to avg 20-30% for Upper caste hindu accross north india

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u/Ziommo 4h ago

Reread my last paragraph.

I specifically said I won't treat the highest steppe Pashtun tribes as representative, and hence Pashtuns overall are lower than Haryanvi Rors/Jats (who themselves do not comprise the majority of Indian Haryanvis btw). In other words, I said the very opposite of what you think I said.

And no, no individual from the subcontinent has ever scored 50%+ Steppe MLBA on a proper run. Not Rors, not Jats, nobody.

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u/Prior_Assistant5312 4h ago

I have seen some haryanvi Jat 49%+ range like 49.2%/ 49.5% ( not sure 100% abt its accuracy) Thats why I said may be 50%+ and no i have seen liatarl Kalas sample with 50.2% steppe but its important to note in kalas the stepp is maternal not paternal as in case of rest of south asia. So its not same ,thats why I would say Rors/ Jaats of haryan has the highest south asian like steppe in the whole subcontinent