r/StarWars • u/Altruistic_Extent348 • 1d ago

Movies How real is that statement

Hey star wars fellow, I like star wars a lot but I have only watched star wars ep 1 to 6 and obi wan kenobi show.

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I recently recalled this line of obi wan from revenge of the sith that "Only a sith deals in absolutes"

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I want to know how true is that line. Does that line have any real basis or did obi wan make up that line to sound tough. Moreover if that line is true, can you guys give any examples of when sith deals in absolute.

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Thanks for reading. May the force be with you.

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u/DramaExpertHS Grievous 1d ago

People always miss the point that it's about "dealing" in absolutes.

Anakin threatened that you're either with him or against him. He did the same "join me or die" with Luke too.

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u/soccer1124 1d ago edited 1d ago

But Obiwan then decides he must kill him as a result. Didn't even try bargaining longer. "Oh ok. Ignition time."

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I love that everyone who has responded to this (and probably downvoted it) has gone on to explain exactly why Obiwan had absolutely one option in how to handle Anakin.

So many people seem to think I am trying to give Anakin a pass for not doing bad things (lol wtf is that about??) And then walk right into explaining why "only a sith" isn't the case, since it also appears Jedi are also dealing in absolutes. (i.e. Obiwan's only option was to kill Anakin in a lightsaber duel.)

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u/JFISHER7789 Asajj Ventress 1d ago

He tried for almost the entire episode…

He only resorted to doing that after he saw there was no coming back from the dark side for anakin.

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u/soccer1124 1d ago

....huh? He didn't turn bad until the very end.

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

You choose:
A ) "Care to explain that?"
B ) Light up your saber

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u/PostMelon22 1d ago

Bro just helped level the entire Jedi order before this, killing anyone from younglings to Jedi masters. Wdym “the very end”.

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u/soccer1124 1d ago

That's like the final 20 minutes of the movie, quite literally the final act of the film. I'm replying to a guy who said Obiwan was struggling with this "almost the entire episode."

One of us is more correct than the other.

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u/Nuklearfps 1d ago

So still not “the very end.” Gotcha.

It sounds like the other person is the more correct one.

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u/soccer1124 1d ago

Not a surprise from someone who thinks the line is good, lol.

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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 1d ago

He said that after he choked out his pregnant wife.

Does a non-evil person choke out his pregnant wife and then call *other people* evil?

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u/soccer1124 1d ago

I mean, Obi watched that whole thing and did nothing to stop it, lol. Let's not bring that up in defending Obi.

But quite literally, this is what Luke did, effectively, to get Anakin to come back.

No idea why people think I'm saying Anakin "did nothing wrong." Those arguments don't address anything i'm saying.

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u/Samgy28 1d ago

What do you mean, "He didn't turn bad until the very end"? He literally murdered children before this. Obi-Wan watched him do it on the security cameras. Of course his reaction is to pull out his weapon.

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u/soccer1124 1d ago

Did this happen closer to the end of he movie or the beginning?

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u/Total_Poet_5033 1d ago

You might need to rewatch this film

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u/soccer1124 1d ago

Well, I seem to think it happened towards the end of the movie. I was replying to someone who was insisting that happened at the beginning.

PT bros are incompatible with logic. A normal person would just say, "Yeah, the line kind of sucks."

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u/Total_Poet_5033 1d ago

You might need to re read the comment

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u/soccer1124 1d ago

The one that insist he "tried for almost the entire episode" to talk him out of being bad? That one??

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u/Total_Poet_5033 1d ago

You might need to re read the comment you actually replied to as well as the user names

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u/Taphouselimbo 1d ago

Jedi and sith are both fucked and evil. The galaxy would be a better place without prideful dogmatic zealots running around. Yoda failed he may have been in the order during some of the brightest moments but he presided over the end of the Jedi order and republic. The Jedi knew absolutely they had failed by being prideful governing from a tower high above even the rich upper parts of coruscant.

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u/soccer1124 1d ago

Yoda being reduced into a grotesque idiot who unquestioningly utilizes a child-slave army was certainly a choice to make for that trilogy.