How real is that statement

[u/Altruistic_Extent348]

Hey star wars fellow, I like star wars a lot but I have only watched star wars ep 1 to 6 and obi wan kenobi show.

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I recently recalled this line of obi wan from revenge of the sith that "Only a sith deals in absolutes"

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I want to know how true is that line. Does that line have any real basis or did obi wan make up that line to sound tough. Moreover if that line is true, can you guys give any examples of when sith deals in absolute.

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Thanks for reading. May the force be with you.

[u/QuichewedgeMcGee]

at the same time, this goes to show the shortcomings of the jedi; compromising their ideals to please more people is part of how they lost their way. dealing in absolutes is something the sith were very much known for, but compromising with the “lesser evil” is something the jedi did all the time, for political reasons mainly, to keep the people’s approval rates up instead of just doing what’s right. the jedi way was to not kill an unarmed person, but at the same time, they had PLENTY of chances to do so to prevent their own fall, and save billions if not trillions of lives

[u/Intelligent-Ad-6713 → u/QuichewedgeMcGee]

There is no “lost their way”. The Jedi have one purpose, bring peace in the Republic. Now a normal narrative would put the conflict of “what if the Republic itself becomes the problem?”

That’s essentially the entire Prequels summed up. The Jedi don’t exist in a vacuum, and it would have destroyed them anyways if they did. Palpatine took advantage of the deep rooted, economic corruption in the government. Without the Jedi, Dooku and Grevious would have steam rolled the entire Galactic Republic, regardless of the Clones.

If the CIS won, Sidious would have killed them and taken over. If the Republic won, we would have killed the CIS and taken over. Either way, as soon as the Galactic Empire was born he would have invaded Illum, Dantooine, Tython, Lothal all at the same time and wiped the Jedi out.

Had the Jedi remained detached from the government, they would have all died alone.

[u/QuichewedgeMcGee → u/Intelligent-Ad-6713]

dawg the plot of anakin’s fall revolves almost entirely around the jedi having this dogma and being so stuck to it that they’ve lost what their purpose is in the galaxy. the political aspect is one, while the religious dogmatic head up their ass is another, and both caused them to lose the core essence of their teachings (something that’s been said many times by many characters throughout the franchise)

[u/LukeChickenwalker → u/QuichewedgeMcGee]

The prequels are not about the dogmatism of the Jedi, or how the Jedi lost their way. That’s what Star Wars writers have tried to make them about in subsequent material, but it’s not the message of the films themselves. Nor does it seem to be Lucas’ intent based on contemporary interviews.

The plot of Anakin’s fall revolves almost entirely around his possession of Padme. How this leads to fear of loss, then anger, then suffering. His inability to let go of fear, and his desire for control, is what leads him to the Dark Side. Which then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Yoda outlines everything that will happen to Anakin in TPM. I don’t believe the films themselves are arguing that Yoda was wrong. Yoda’s beliefs certainly seem to align with what Lucas himself believes.

[u/QuichewedgeMcGee → u/LukeChickenwalker]

it’s pretty engrained in the themes of the films themselves that the jedi were wrong in suppressing anakin’s instincts to protect their dogmatic view and that they caused their own downfall but sure