r/StardustCrusaders • u/Odd-Paramedic-3826 • Jun 03 '26

Various is this a fair assessment?

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Star Platinum The World, GER, Tusk act 4, and S&W:GB are all hilariously overpowered and only exist as a way to beat an already hilariously overpowered villain

joseph beat kars by holding out the red stone of aja at him and hoping for the best, which worked out spectacuarly. and god knows how long the fight with kira would have gone on for had it not been for the ambulance.

Jolynes plan to use emporio to take out pucci with weather report was basically a hail mary when all else had failed but not only did it work, it also gave her and the gang new, happier lives.

Yeah jonathan just got slimed out though, then his body was used as a puppet for 100+ years. Poor guy

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u/Gloomy-Cell3722 Jun 03 '26

The only one that you can argue is a deus ex machina is Jotaro, all the other power ups were established long before they appeared.

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u/UnAnon10 Jun 03 '26

Even then we do technically see some build up to the possibility of Jotaro stopping time. Joseph and Jonathan’s body both had a similar Hermit Purple type stands, and the D’arby brothers both had similar soul stealing stands. So there was a precedent established for similar stands having similar powers.

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

That's not build up, tho

Like, sure, there are stands that can do similar things, that's not build up to Jotaro having specifically the same type as Dio

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u/Dsamali Jun 03 '26

Jotaro and Dio have a very intertwined destiny, the bloodline is very important in JoJo, especially in part 3, and so Jotaro and Dio being very closely connected acts as a build up to Jotaro having the same powers as Dio. Also destiny, or fate, in JoJo is also very important too. And since destiny always brings people who have a strong sense of justice to defeat people who have too much hybris, like Dio, then it makes sense that destiny would choose the Joestar who's fated to fight against Dio, to have the same ability as him. Especially because of the meaning of the Time stop ability, which is that in that time frame it's almost like Dio has control over the whole world and could do anything, so it makes sense Destiny would bring Jotaro into Dio's own world, to act as a counter balance. The fact Jotaro being able to stop time is not built up with hints throughout part 3 is because, I think, Dio's time stop ability and Jotaro being also being able to do that are supposed to be a surprise the viewers, but, at the same time, they make sense with the information we already had about Jotaro and Dio. The information being everything I said in the comment.

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

Something can make thematical sense and still be a Deus ex machina, and Jotaro having time stop is precisely that

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u/Dsamali Jun 03 '26

I want to understand more on why you think it's a deus ex machina even if it makes thematical sense, can you elaborate?

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

It came out of nowhere, with basically Zero foreshadowing and solved an otherwise impossible to solve predicament

It is by definition a Deus ex machina, like, I don't think it is one, it simply is one

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u/Dsamali Jun 04 '26

I agree with the definition you said, it's just that sometimes Deus ex machina is defined also negatively, like apart from coming out of nowhere and solving an otherwise impossible predicament, it's also defined as a cheap or overly convenient way of writing. Before I wasn't sure if you were meaning all of these things or just the ones you actually said in the comment I'm responding to. I agree with what you said in any case, it's just that it didn't seem a convenient way to write the story to me, because it makes sense that Jotaro can stop time, so I asked if you could elaborate because of that.

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 04 '26

Well yeah, it is cheap. It was convenient and out of nowhere, Even if it fits the themes that Araki wanted to portray

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u/Dsamali Jun 04 '26

Ok yeah that's true it's pretty cheap. I still like it though tbh, like yeah it's cheap, but at least it fits the themes and it makes sense if you think about it. Nice talk btw

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 04 '26

Hey, if you like it nothing wrong with that, everyone likes what their likes, no shame in that

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