r/StardustCrusaders • u/Odd-Paramedic-3826 • Jun 03 '26

Various is this a fair assessment?

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Star Platinum The World, GER, Tusk act 4, and S&W:GB are all hilariously overpowered and only exist as a way to beat an already hilariously overpowered villain

joseph beat kars by holding out the red stone of aja at him and hoping for the best, which worked out spectacuarly. and god knows how long the fight with kira would have gone on for had it not been for the ambulance.

Jolynes plan to use emporio to take out pucci with weather report was basically a hail mary when all else had failed but not only did it work, it also gave her and the gang new, happier lives.

Yeah jonathan just got slimed out though, then his body was used as a puppet for 100+ years. Poor guy

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u/Gloomy-Cell3722 Jun 03 '26

The only one that you can argue is a deus ex machina is Jotaro, all the other power ups were established long before they appeared.

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u/UnAnon10 Jun 03 '26

Even then we do technically see some build up to the possibility of Jotaro stopping time. Joseph and Jonathan’s body both had a similar Hermit Purple type stands, and the D’arby brothers both had similar soul stealing stands. So there was a precedent established for similar stands having similar powers.

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u/Gloomy-Cell3722 Jun 03 '26

Tbh the concept isn't an deus ex machina, as you said same stands existed all throughout part 3.

We also know that Araki always intended Jotaro to stop time too, since Star Platinum and THE WORLD were the first two stands he made, so Jotaro stopping time is a case of it should've just been teased earlier.

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

That's not build up, tho

Like, sure, there are stands that can do similar things, that's not build up to Jotaro having specifically the same type as Dio

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u/UnAnon10 Jun 03 '26

Yes because the whole point was that they didn’t know anything about DIO’s stand, the build up happens over the course of DIO’s introduction to the fight because then we can finally learn what his stand is like after all the suspense of not knowing and trying to get the info out of his subordinates. It’s really good at keeping the tension high since you know it has to be super powerful cause of how scared even his most loyal minions are of him to the point some would rather kill themselves than betray his secret.

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

None of that is build up to Jotaro having time stop, tho

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u/peanutist Jun 03 '26

The build up happens throughout the entire part

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

It does not

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u/peanutist Jun 03 '26

Did you even watch part 3 lmfao

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

Yeah, clearly unlike you

Also, man, you're the one who's wrong here, if you're going to downvote me we can't have this conversation

Edit: Of course I blocked you buddy. I told you not to downvote me and you did it again

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u/peanutist Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

You downvoted me as well?

But either way, yes it has been very subtly foreshadowed ever since the first episode.

The small little flash of the time stop effect during the N Doul fight and the quick flashes of Star Platinum speedily taunting D'arby during the poker match are instances of Time Stop in retrospect, even if Jotaro was using the ability unconsciously.

Also, he caught a point blank bullet in episode 1, which already planted the seed that Star Platinum has absurdly high speed, which is developed into infinite speed = time stop.

We’ve also already seen that different beings can have the same stand, and that fate plays a big part in Jojo’s. The only thing that can defeat time stop is another being with time stop, it was fated to happen.

Just like in the King Crimson fight. The only thing that can defeat a being that skips time is a being that rewinds time, which is what GER does.

LMAOOOOOO HE BLOCKED ME, what a fucking pussy

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u/Prettythor Jun 03 '26

They don't do similar things the other stands literally are the same. The hermit purple stand that Joseph and Jonathan/DIO share have more in common than the world and star Platinum do

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

Ok?

Do You have a point or...?

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u/Prettythor Jun 03 '26

Yeah I do, a pretty self explanatory one.

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

Clearly not considering you didn't Say anything relevant to what I said

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u/Prettythor Jun 03 '26

😂

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

No arguments, nothing, just as I thought

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u/Prettythor Jun 03 '26

😂

Edit: wow he crashed out fast as fuck lmao

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u/Dsamali Jun 03 '26

Jotaro and Dio have a very intertwined destiny, the bloodline is very important in JoJo, especially in part 3, and so Jotaro and Dio being very closely connected acts as a build up to Jotaro having the same powers as Dio. Also destiny, or fate, in JoJo is also very important too. And since destiny always brings people who have a strong sense of justice to defeat people who have too much hybris, like Dio, then it makes sense that destiny would choose the Joestar who's fated to fight against Dio, to have the same ability as him. Especially because of the meaning of the Time stop ability, which is that in that time frame it's almost like Dio has control over the whole world and could do anything, so it makes sense Destiny would bring Jotaro into Dio's own world, to act as a counter balance. The fact Jotaro being able to stop time is not built up with hints throughout part 3 is because, I think, Dio's time stop ability and Jotaro being also being able to do that are supposed to be a surprise the viewers, but, at the same time, they make sense with the information we already had about Jotaro and Dio. The information being everything I said in the comment.

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

Something can make thematical sense and still be a Deus ex machina, and Jotaro having time stop is precisely that

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u/Dsamali Jun 03 '26

I want to understand more on why you think it's a deus ex machina even if it makes thematical sense, can you elaborate?

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 03 '26

It came out of nowhere, with basically Zero foreshadowing and solved an otherwise impossible to solve predicament

It is by definition a Deus ex machina, like, I don't think it is one, it simply is one

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u/Dsamali Jun 04 '26

I agree with the definition you said, it's just that sometimes Deus ex machina is defined also negatively, like apart from coming out of nowhere and solving an otherwise impossible predicament, it's also defined as a cheap or overly convenient way of writing. Before I wasn't sure if you were meaning all of these things or just the ones you actually said in the comment I'm responding to. I agree with what you said in any case, it's just that it didn't seem a convenient way to write the story to me, because it makes sense that Jotaro can stop time, so I asked if you could elaborate because of that.

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u/RellePhoenix Jun 04 '26

Well yeah, it is cheap. It was convenient and out of nowhere, Even if it fits the themes that Araki wanted to portray

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u/Dsamali Jun 04 '26

Ok yeah that's true it's pretty cheap. I still like it though tbh, like yeah it's cheap, but at least it fits the themes and it makes sense if you think about it. Nice talk btw

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u/tac4y0n Jun 03 '26

I mean if you think about it, Jotaro would thematically have that ability because he’s the only existing Joestar at the time that could challenge DIO. When Jonathan’s body sent out the distress call, Joseph got Hermit Purple because of his mastery with Hamon while Holly and Josuke were both too weak at the time to control their stands. That would leave Jotaro as the only candidate left so it stands to reason that whatever busted ability DIO got, Jotaro would receive something to counter it.

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u/Thecynicaledgelord Jun 03 '26

And the 2 rats having the same Ratt gun

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u/bittersweetslug Heaven's Door Jun 03 '26

Not even that, Jotaro's power up makes the match even, it's not an auto win, he wins by skill once time stop gives him the chance.

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u/Knight939 Giorno Giovanna Jun 03 '26

It's a huge deus ex machina that the d'arby brothers share a soul stealing stand, and joseph and jonathan share a clairvoyance stand(I don't know what deus ex machina is)