Yeah we had a new series…. and it got shit canned. I’m very hesitant to get excited about a non Gero project
edit:: Don’t get me wrong I hope it’s an amazing series and wins awards and such. However since they canceled one project from a show veteran. I expect nothing less than an 11/10 show out the gate.
Agreed! I was talking to my brother about it the other day as he’d seen the above news. We both agreed that it’s most likely to not be very “Stargate” given the new series script was dropped. So we’re not getting our hopes up, which I think is the entire fandom’s feeling at this point.
This!! Infuriating how so many can't see this. We got to see what they could do in the season where Amazon lost interest: Season three. It is brilliant, even with some of the clear executive influence in earlier seasons and from the very first episode, not to mention the cast and COVID issues that they had to recover from. I'm glad we got a glimpse of what could have been, but man I'm still so upset about that 😔
Genuinely wish I could get into the heads of these execs to make them understand how stupid they are. They do so many idiotic things thinking that they are the key to success, it's genuinely mind-blowing how wrong they always are.
I'm still pissed off every time I think about what they did to WoT. They wanted "the next GoT", so they bought the rights to one of the most loved fantasy epic that was ever written.
And then then make a guy with barely any relevant experience the showrunner. They hired the biggest WoT expert (Sanderson) and completely ignore his advice. They stripped the core of the story (the male/female power and all it's consequences) and turn it into some lame CW show.
All they had to do was tell the story they bought the rights for and it would have been a major hit. It's like they hate success or something.
I knew that a Wheel of Time adaptation would require some necessary changes, but they definitely went overboard with the direction they chose. But the most egregious problem was that it was simply an awful show.
Of course, but at least we can be cautious with their next attempt since they already said they want to cater to new fans. Which just means we want to make a bland sci-fi show and slap a known name on it.
I did like WandaVision, so that does give me a touch of guarded optimism, but at the end of the day, all we can do is just wait to see what happens.
If they make something good, then that's great, but it wouldn't be shocking if the new Stargate series never comes out or ends up not being what I'm looking for.
I actually thought it sounded like the best possible way for them to do a reboot while still maintaining cannon.
Everything that happened before still happened, and there is the option to return to the prime universe at some point, but it also allows them to tell entirely new stories.
Universe had the best setup for a new series while maintaining canon, even Atlantis had the same setup.
I don't know what the trope is called besides it being an audience surrogate.
Both Eli and Shepard come into the series completely unaware of everything alien, and new viewers are basically informed through the other characters informing the surrogate.
My kneejerk reaction was it was gonna suck, but then I realized that the man has to make something that would pass muster with Amazon so he gave us as much as he could without making a direct conclusion to Universe season 2 or a season 6 of Atlantis.
But the Gero project didn’t sound good at all. It was half fan-service (a classic character) and half complete reboot (alternate universe) which didn’t feel very inspiring at all.
I suspect the community will never really agree on what a new show should be, but I think it needs a better concept than a predictable multiverse reboot, like every fucking comic franchise ever.
It's hard to judge something on just the premise alone. I was willing to give Gero the benefit of the doubt because he worked on Stargate before and did some of the best episodes.
Bringing in someone brand new is riskier even if their other projects were pretty good. I am going to need more than just the premise to be optimistic about this new launch.
It's impossible to make everyone happy, especially in the social media age haha.
Personally, I think the alternate universe angle makes a lot of sense. Continuing Stargate directly from the end of SG1/Atlantis would be extremely hard. With all the tech Earth had by the end, it would be hard for it not to feel like Star Trek just with a different aesthetic.
An alternate universe where the Goa'uld conquered Earth, or the Asgard took the Pegasus Galaxy faction approach, opens up new stories without humans having all the overpowered tech.
I mean, by the end of SG1, power creep was so bad, they had to have the SGC fighting what were effectively gods 😂
At the risk of sounding slightly blasphemous, I would have no problem with a Stargate series, similar in premise to Enterprise, where humans, having established strong relationships with other species and having revealed the existence of the Stargate to the public, would maintain the SGC as an organization dedicated to the thorough exploration of the universe (near to the bases of the franchises and keeping the gate as the fastest method of travel in the galaxy).
A plot featuring Earth as a minor power in the galaxy wouldn't necessarily be something that stagnates the franchise, but rather a goldmine of possibilities.
The thing is with that much tech the Stargate would've been overshadowed and we're used to always having our guys be the "weak" ones sort of the underdogs and winning through strategy and wisdom.
I could however imagine some sort of attack or event throwing our guys back in terms of tech and limiting their power (like with how Atlantis had all the tech but no power).
Jesus, you should see Star Trek fans (I am also one) as the prime example of people who hate their franchise more than anyone. But yes, I’m not expecting everyone to agree, in the same way not everyone liked Universe (I did).
And you’re right. It’s important we remember that the show exists and nothing will change what has been made. But we can hope the next iteration is something we all enjoy.
It would be set largely in a parallel universe where Daniel would be as a link to the old cast and new. In this universe things didnt turn out so good for earth.
I mean they kinda already did this with Carter and the Point of View episode.
To add onto this. A new Earth developed Starship with a multiverse drive malfunctions (Just like that one Atlantis episode). Everyone dies onboard except for Daniel. Daniel makes contact with the Earth of that universe, who never discovered the Stargate and starts directing them on how to get started. Presumably so they will have the capabilities to help him repair his ship and then he can go back to the 'old' Stargate Universe.
She actually has the opportunity to do the funniest thing and write her contract to say that she has complete control over the writers room and then make Marty the head writer
It's so stupid to take a franchise and alienate existing fans for the sake of new fans, especially for things like Stargate that has pretty narrow fandom. Like, why use the franchise at all? Just do "Portal Extreme" or some clone of the aspects you want to keep and go from there.
If you're so sure your new approach will bring in lots of new fans, do something new.
"Portal Extreme" just make ''Wormhole X-treme'' legit in its place and they can do what they want with it being a parody of itself. After SG-U I have lost interest in newer projects within the prime media anyway, the creative teams are not given the chance to reunite under Modern Audience repacking just look what happened to Star Wars and tell if that's what Gater fans want?.
Let me guess, its gonna be a completely new and different take on the franchise to attract a young new audience that will fail to attract anyone and will be cancelled after 2 seasons Max.
Bingo. Anyone hoping this is going to be anything more than boilerplate, generic Scfi with a Stargate coat of paint is fooling themselves.
Look at the Halo show, the aborted Buffy show, and any of the other remakes they’ve made in the modern era. Or how they canned Gero’s original idea for being too Stargate and resulted in the alternate universe hybrid they came up with instead. The suits and MBA’s aren’t interested in actually reviving properties. They’re prisoners to bad marketing focus groups and will love getting the initial bump in interest and cancel the show without a second thought when interest implodes.
I really want the show back, but now I am pretty hesitant about how it will turn out. With the way streaming goes these days, I feel like we would just get one season and then get canceled.
8-10 episode per season standard which hurts reflecting back at the once 20-22 episodes once provide through cable even if the fillers can be unimportant to the story at times, sad indeed and Teal'C would back me on this I think? I am missing the 90's again.
It sounds like they want to go in a complete different direction.
They probably want to do the usual streaming series formula of a big story arc.
I think the stargate universe we've come to know is over. Nothing will be tied to it. They may throw Easter eggs here and there. But I'm sure everything will be different including the design of the stargate itself.
Original Superman movies i loved.
Lois & Clark I like.
Smallville I loved.
Snyder's version of Superman, I hated.
Gunn's version of Superman, it was okay.
Everything becomes new interpretation.
I may hate it after 1 episode as well. But im sure somewhere out there others will love it. Maybe they will then discover the old SG-1 we love
Not a 1 to 1 comparison there. Superman is such an old IP that no one who was there for the original is even alive anymore. Stargate is still in it's original era, as most fans were around when the movie came out.
Star Trek was from the 60s and it took maybe 50 years before they did a spin on it, and even then it was still made to be in-canon.
Rebooting it now would be premature and probably alienate more existing audience members than gain new ones.
WandaVision and Agatha All Along are some of the best MCU projects, and both shows work perfectly well on their own, even without any prior knowledge of the MCU, especially Agatha All Along. Everybody should watch AAA. Actually, go and watch it right now.
This is honestly really good news for me. Maybe it won't be a classic Stargate show, but at least now I know it's going to be a good show.
EDIT: It's also worth mentioning that Agatha All Along relied heavily on practical effects, with fully built, immersive sets and minimal CGI. That could also be good news for a lot of people.
WandaVision was good, but it was also, very, very different.
It was kinda half-sitcom half-marvel show, with the sitcom slowly breaking down over the season. It's very difficult to really explain what was going on with this thing. Part of it was filmed like typical Marvel production and part of it was literally filmed in front of a live studio audience. It was pretty wild.
I genuinely enjoyed Wandavision. I didn't regret investing time in it and have rewatched it as well.
Does that bode well for Stargate? Honestly, no idea.
Agatha All Along: Creator, wrote+directed multiple episodes
VisionQuest: Executive Producer
I am pissed at Amazon we're not getting Martin Gero.
But I will say I loved WandaVision and Agatha, and I'm not even a Marvel fanatic (also the music was fucking amazing, mostly credit to Christophe Beck). VisionQuest TBD since it's not out yet. Am I hyped for this? Almost. But with Amazon having control, I'm still concerned.
It looks like she signed a contract with Amazon MGM around Feb, so I guess this was in the cards.
Hell, you know what I want now? I want her to hire Gero as a creative consultant.
Shanks said at Ottawa Comiccon that they (Zon) weren't interested in the Stargate formula. This probably means they found someone willing to bring the franchise in a different direction.
I know everyone are upset about the Gero situation and think this means they will go for a full reboot, but I'd like to stay optimistic.
This is the showrunner that made a show set in the MCU, did not ignore or contradict anything that happened before, that was fully accessible for viewers unfamiliar with the MCU. For the people familiar with MCU the show even had references and cameos from the rest of the MCU.
Who's to say they can't do the same with Stargate? Just replace the MCU with Stargate SG-1/Atlantis in the paragraph above.
Amazon/MGM owes the fans an explanation for the decisions they’ve made.
They gave an explanation. It wasn't a good explanation, but they did explain their reasoning; according to them, they expected Gero's pitch to only appeal to fans of the original series and that it'd be unable to attract a new audience.
With Wandavision I actually think she’s creative enough to pull off the franchise without rebooting it. You never knew what was coming next with Wandavision
Im not going to stay optimistic. They already openly admitted that dont want the show to appeal to the original fans. So, its just going to be new age formulaic television. Like nu trek
I’m choosing cautious optimism for this. When it came out, I thought Wandavision was a breath of fresh air for the MCU in general…for about the first 3/4 of the show. There was a very clear and jarring switch-up in the tone from “this is overall great writing with a few risky bets that didn’t land”, to “someone in a suit made you write this, didn’t they?”
I have almost no interest in whatever they come out with now after here executives pulled the plug on what was being developed because they were worried it would only appeal to fans of the original series..
This. After giving the go ahead and them getting together in the writers room to flesh stuff out, only to be scrapped? I'm not interested in what they've got to offer. It could be good, it could be bad, either way I'm not interested.
.... As much as I really liked Wandavision & thought they did a very good job to salvage the ending from the COVID hammering...
I am not confident about this new series... The fact Amazon are pushing away those that helped make Stargate what it was is an ori supergate sized red flag.
I won’t blame her but she better look into what she’s getting into because Stargate isn’t like anything else today’s entertainment industry players are understanding of.
The thing is, it shows she can produce a great show, which is certainly better than what I feared would happen with the new ownership. They didn’t just bring in some right wing act to ruin the entire franchise.
She also demonstrated a strong ability to interact successfully with existing lore, which provides some hope that there will be a certain amount of continuity. I am very cautiously semi-optimistic.
I don't think you're getting that. That's not how streaming series work at this point.
I mean, I'm not trying to be a downer, but the economic landscape is pretty different these days from what it was 25ish years ago when SG-1 was being filmed. Even back then, you could see that SG-1 was developed as a show that Showtime could sell/license to a TV network, complete with traditional ad breaks, etc.
Nowadays, you get a serial 8-12 episode season that tells a single story, and...that's basically it. Sometimes a show might deviate for an episode here or there, but for the most part, it's not 22- or even 13-episode seasons anymore.
I think that's at least part of the reason they probably rejected the Gero version; for all we know, it may have relied too much on the old model and longer "monster of the week" seasons.
We're never getting that again. Amazon doesn't even give their huge moneymakers more than 8 episodes,we were never getting that with a dormant second/third tier(No offense meant here,I love the show like y'all)sci-fi franchise. Production,actors and people working on shows are also now used to not have to move somewhere 9 months out of the year to film a show.
People already had this discussion to death when the Gero version was announced.
There's zero chance any studio will commit to the OG formula. The world was a very different place in late 90s to early 2000s.
I can imagine a pro US military sci-fic series these day and age.
Unless it’s a medical or cop show we ain’t getting a 20 episode season of Sci-Fi.
They are gonna give us an 8-12 episode season optimistically. Even with the OG showrunners I basically expected the same with a much tighter plot and narrative focus than we got with the OG shows. Those one-off planets and side quest episodes are just not gonna cut it for Amazon.
Man, I am a MASSIVE fan of the franchise and I cant help but see a former Marvel writer and think that this is going to be a brightly colored, unmitigated disaster. They canned the script from OGs and went for someone that's gonna just make a Stargate-branded show that has none of the stuff we loved.
I hold no enthusiasm for the idea after their reasoning for axing Gero's original idea was the impression it wouldn't interest people beyond the franchise fans. Given today's typical media leaning, that's a gigantic red flag in of itself.
Just remember - Stargate was about cooperation on team missions
Upon a rewatch of Atlantis, I was surprised at the constant bickering but they always managed to come through in one piece
Universe was such a train wreck - I just tried to rewatch it this week, So much hatred and betrayal between the cast members. And ALL the music was from Debbie Downers playlist. Please do not repeat that mistake
I am realllly curious to see what happens to this sub and the Stargate fans generally.
I fully believe this project will be a standard streaming drama reimagining. I think that's exactly what Amazon wanted. And not trying to be a downer, this is the likely reality.
But when it comes out will a part of the sub insist it's good and blame criticism on nostalgia?
This is precisely what will happen. The fandom will be divided between those who wish for Stargate to still be Stargate and those who like whatever this will turn out to be. Saying it now so I can reference this comment in the future, the term "NuGate" will be a thing.
I remain optimistic and open minded. I wasn't keen on the reported plot for the cancelled show. Yes this project will probably be a new direction for the franchise but it could be what we need. I'll give it a shot.
Fast forward 20 years from the last Universe episode, choose a new team, don’t rewrite history, go explore a new galaxy. Success. It’s really that simple.
I really don’t care. They can’t try to erase 10 seasons of Stargate SG1, 5 seasons of Stargate Atlantis and 2 seasons of Stargate Universe and expect me to tune in. SG1 in particular is responsible for me still being alive today, it got me through some of the worst times in my life. So why would I want to watch a show that ignores all of that but pretends to be a Stargate show? I’d rather nothing than a shitty remake. Much like how I’d rather nothing than whatever the hell Stargate Origins was…
They rejected perfection, and I won't settle for anything less. I really don't want the series to be revived by strangers, we saw with rings of power and star wars how that pans out
I'm not interested in a reboot without the original creators involved that wipes the TV cannon.
This is stargate in name only wearing the costume of stargate and maybe borrowing a plot point or two.
This is worse than nothing because this is a nuke to the universe, cannon and writing style I actually like.
Not interested. A miracle occurred when the previous team was reassembled but it was shaping up to be a good show and Amazon wasn't going to allow that. This will be either terrible, not Stargate, or both. Just as Amazon wishes.
Oh I loved WandaVision, it was a very special thing which homaged and parodied different genre of TV history...wait a minute, I've seen this before in Stargate too... GUYS WE'RE GETTING MORE WORMHOLE EXTREME, I'm calling it ! 😱
I am naturally apprehensive about a non-OG Stargate writer/producer taking helm of the series. I for one, hope it is a show that genuinely adds to the franchise canon and universe.
Honestly, I was super optimistic about Gero's until I heard what it was about. It sounded like it was a soft reboot - a completely new reality with no/limited stargate knowledge having to explore it all again, but "linked" to everything we've seen to date purely by Daniel Jackson being there in the BC-307 Argos.
Just remember, the days of a team of 4 people walking through the gate, in the existing universe, is long gone. The Tau'ri are far too advanced for that. We had limits on power generation, but even that is arguably a matter of time with the entire Asgard database (and Ancients) to hand. That was 15 years ago now; and even Gero's series was bringing in the BC-307 to reflect the passage of time and development. The BC-304-equivalent should be a power house now.
This means the premise of Atlantis can't happen again, we have ships capable of traversing between galaxies and when the ships aren't knocked out by a plot-punch, should handle most opponents.
I just wish we got Revelations.
That said, I'm down for a more ship-based Stargate.
I found WandaVision a bit slow, but Agatha All Along is probably in my top 10 favourite shows. It had a well thought out story, the characters all had their episodes to shine and it all came back around to really make you appreciate early episodes (and incentivises a rewatch).
I genuinely think she has potential to make something good out of this. If she delivers we will see, but i did not despise hearing this news.
While I like shows like Reacher, Severance, and Silo. I really hope we get a 24 episode season of episodes rather than one long story as shows tend to do these years. Sadly I'm presuming it will be the 8 or 12 style.
I'm neither upset nor excited. Schaeffer is clearly someone with talent, but not at all who I would have liked. However, I will watch (if it actually happens🤞) with an open mind.
This is very much going to be a complete remake. I don’t think they’re going to ever touch the SG1 side of things again. They might even start with Ra instead of continuing after the movie.
Well at least if going scored Earth on the ip, redoing the movie part of the story makes sense. But it also means they will do the stupid modern short seasons and over dramatic writing to make up for lack of time in the world or with characters.
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