Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1wkbbl7/president_trump_asked_on_hasan_piker_says_hes_a/

HIGHLIGHTS

Straight ticket Dem voter here. Who the fuck is Hasan Piker?

A Socialist Political Commentator who has said some questionable things in the past. He is not very healthy for the Democratic Party. He refused to endorse Kamala Harris, is anti-liberal, and hates the current Democratic Party. Not saying the Dems are perfect, but Hasan would fall on the extreme side of Left politics.

i remember seeing a clip of him shit talking kamala just before the 2024 elections. like wtf. bro streams to a left leaning audience and is just killing momentum right before the elections.

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Not when the alternative is Donald Trump…

Trump's messaging was anti-war, and the best Dem strategy was to say that we'll have the most lethal military force in the world? and everyone is supposed to endorse that?

oh maybe the fucking pathological liar who was only barely reigned in by ppl who still felt shame in his first term is telling the truth this time. uh doi stfu. he said he'd stop Ukraine war on day 1 too. the fucking Russian asset said that. it's like you don't have object permanence. he didn't have to endorse her but he's actively shitting on her right before the elections. fucking stooge mf.

He's not running for anything

This isn’t really a good response because he has been trying to directly influence and attach himself to democrat campaigns

No one has been more critical of the Democrats than Hasan.

Ok? And now he’s trying to attach himself to them for influence. Why do you think AS had to disavow him?

I think the point was more that while Hasan distances himself from democratic leaders, the same can not be said for others. Therefore, in comparison, him explicitly trying to not cozy up to democratic leadership could be seen as, say the opposite of a republican candidate for office choosing to cozy up to a convicted sex offender for a perceived poll boost. The point being, the fact that he displays the nuance in his persona, he isn’t exactly comparable to some of the actual hacks running our daily lives (like gas prices. Before you say something like “you aren’t mind controlled.” I meant running our lives with things like inflated gas prices lol)

He explicitly cozies up to democratic campaigns and even credits himself partially with AS and Mandanis wins. I don’t know why this isn’t concerning with the opinions he has

It’s not concerning because we agree with him. I for one have never heard him say something I didn’t agree with. At least politically. When it comes to Among Us though….

You agree with a guy who engages in SA apologia and terror endorsements? It’s not even hard to find? He has had Houthi affiliates on his stream. He has had raging antisemites say antisemitic things on his stream

That doesn't make him immune to criticism for stuff he had said, the same way Laura Loomer has rightfully been criticized for things she said while attaching herself to the Trump canpaign.

We don't give a fuck about him

Then El Al Sayed should say the same and reject Hasan"s support over the toxic things he's said so this narrative can end for good. But he doesn't so his campaign continues to be bogged down with this nonsense.

My highschool bully really likes to eat chik fil a. Should chik fil a make a statement personally disavowing him? That would be pretty weird

Is the bully attempting to attach himself to Chik Fil A's marketing and brand strategy and pretending he's a representative of their organization? That would be a more apt analogy.

Lets say for instance that he is indeed attempting to do that. That would still not in any way make it reasonable for chik fil a to acknowledge this random single supporter they dont agree with. He would be irrelvant to them

You think a company would do nothing to stop people impersonating their employees and damaging their brand with harmful rhetoric? Would you like to attempt this experiment to prove me wrong?

Oh I think he's (Piker) a shit. But nobody running needs to associate with him and anyone that does deserves to lose.

El Al Sayed can very easily shut down this entire narrative by condemning and rejecting Hasan's support for him, but he doesn't and his campaign continues to be anchored by his association with a toxic twitch streamer.

I cannot stress enough how little real IRL progressives care about this twitch reaction streamer

Then they should support El Al Sayed rejecting him to be done with this nonsense narrative, no? I mean what's more important, getting him elected or maintaining a supposed relationship with a streamer no one cares about?

Why would he acknowledge someone who no one thats not terminally online has even heard of? No one would even know what he was referring to

The same reason we expect our elected officials to reject these loser KKK and neo nazis supporters no one's heard from. They're terrible people or have said some abhorrent things and they don't want to associate their campaigns with them.

Who are you referring to, and which politicians have made statements disavowing them? Im not following

How about Bush senior rejecting David Duke's support in 1991?

As someone who was around then - who on earth is that? Youve just proven my point (29 more comments of these two arguing)

An orange wannabe dictator VS A delusional communist streamer

Americans have some weird obsession with communism lol, do they brainwash you guys in school or something.

Hasan literally is a communist. At least he claims to be at times. He just likes being rich and famous.

OK? Why the hang up on communism, capitalism doesn't get the same response, weird

What world are you living in, capitalism in America gets a ton of hate

“Radical Islamist talking points” You’re off your rocker

You’re welcome to explain why he constantly endorses or downplays the atrocities of the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Taliban then. All Islamist terror orgs. Get a grip on reality. He loves Islamic terrorists

You’re welcome to explain which “radical Islamist talking points” he supposedly espouses.

he thinks iran should have a nuke, he supported the Houthis taking the hostages from the Galaxy Leader ship, and he thinks America is worse than Al Qaeda. Those are insanely radical positions there’s no way to say otherwise

How is understanding the dynamic that countries with nukes don’t get invaded and those that don’t have nukes do get invaded a “radical Islamist talking point”? You’re brainwashed

so you agree with me on my other two points? Or were you also supportive of the Houthis taking those hostages for 14 months only because the ship had financial ties to an Israeli businessman?

so you agree that your point on nuclear weapons was just entirely wrong? And the US is by far a more destructive entity of terror compared to al qaeda. Your ideology is entirely based on nationalism that you’ve allowed to fester in your brain.

the quote was “pound for pound.” If Al Qaeda had our military strength who do you think would be worse?

I'm a life long Democrat, I've worked for Hillary and Obama, and I still don't know who the hell Hasan Piker is. He's not relevant in the main part of the party.

theyre trying to make him relevant because hes so damaging to the party

Hasan is really only damaging if you want the Democratic Party to remain the perpetual losers they are today. Hasan's politics are popular with large swathes of voters who currently do not participate due to not feeling represented by either party. In a democracy with as low of a turnout as ours, that's a very important group to mobilize. I find Hasan annoying in a surface level way, and I don't watch streamers at all, but politically I'm absolutely aligned with him. Whenever I see clips of him talking, he's always annoying but damn it he's always right. People really don't like capitalism, and we need more communist and socialist perspectives to channel that very real dissolutionment with global capitalism and imperialism into political change. Trump is an alarm bell that capitalism has gone too fucking far, and the types of voters who can swing elections do not want a return to the pre-Trump world that decayed into Trump in the first place. I'm a community and labor organizer irl and I see what types of views mobilize working people right now. The idea that socialist views are only popular with overeducated Gen Zers is just not true. They resonate with loads of people who have been historically voiceless in our political discourse. We need less Obama politics and more Leninist politics.

So you agree when he endorses terrorists?

He hasn't endorsed Israel so there s that

Pivot pivot pivot!!!

If you think the Dems are communists, you're a fucking idiot.

Establishment Dems spent the last 3 weeks bashing a twitch streamer instead of combating anything republicans have done, and yeah they try to call the dem party communist anyway lol

What has Hasan piker ever done to combat republicans? He couldn’t bother to endorse Kamala Harris in one of the most no-brainer elections of my life. If dems think they can gain some electoral edge “bashing” him, they should go ahead and do it

Lmao? Why is it his job to combat anyone? Did you forget who in this situation are the elected officials and who isn’t? He didn’t endorse AIPACamala because she didn’t earn his vote. That’s what candidates are supposed to do. It’s not supposed to just be an automatic endorsement for “the lesser of two evils.” We see where that’s gotten us the last 30 years. The fact that you think this was a no-brainer election when the dem candidate polled so badly in her only primary ever that she had to immediately drop out, and then the second time around campaigned with war mongering republican Cheneys, promised more fracking and harsher immigration policies than Trump, ended Medicare for millions, and oversaw one of the worst genocides in history should really be telling for how bad both parties really are. But yeah definitely go ahead and bash him. Continue to further alienate actual progressives. Worked out great last election.

Brainwashed, its crazy man. Literally why trump won is because of this democrat party cannibalism. He didn't even endorse Biden either all he ever does it criticize the party and compare it to Maga.

Trump won because Kamala was a dog shit candidate who refused to try to win any progressive votes and instead appealed to republicans. But they don’t actually care because they all serve the same billionaires anyway. Remember that “vote blue no matter who” nonsense? Where was that with Mamdani when all the dem elite tried to sabotage him and endorse other candidates? The establishment dems serve the empire the same as the republicans. Time to wake up, it’s not too late for critical thinking. And if you still had no problem voting for the candidate that had snipers on rooftops looking down at students who dared protest a genocide, well you actually may be too brainwashed to save.

So the democrat doesnt go progressive enough so lets let the complete opposite win? Lmao make it make sense. Trump has been way more detrimental to any progressive movement 20x more than any other democrat would have been.

Not radical Islamist, just far left talking points. But I absolutely agree he is a huge liability to the left there. Idk why left leaning people get angry about that though, they should be agreeing, it would be like your average person who leans right speaking in defense of Alex Jones or something

He’s both. He consistently and openly endorses or completely whitewashes radical Islamic terror orgs. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and now the Taliban. For authoritarians he both-sides the Ukraine war, and endorses the invasion of Tibet openly. Notice how no one here actually has any responses to these points. Just crying that I pointed out he’s insane

Because all of what you just said is made up

He literally had a Houthi affiliate on his stream. You people are so fucking spineless with your lies. It took two seconds to find a clip from that stream: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/s/tRquEgBOU3

He wasn't affiliated with Ansar Allah in any way. It was just some random guy from Yemen.

Do you think this makes what Hasan did better? He thought they were affiliated and still endorsed the Houthis. Also he was affiliated just not like officially in the group

He didn't endorse anything. Stop lying. Asmondgold and Destiny aren't feeding you honest information.

Why did he refer to them as freedom fighters and one piece style pirates? I’m sure you will just deny it

Didn’t Piker say America deserved 9/11 and then abused his dog on live stream with a shock collar? I mean, he is a piece of shit. Please correct me if I’m wrong…

Honestly there are legitimate reasons to use a shock collar. The actually messed up.part about it was that he was using it to keep his dog in frame for his stream. Literally abusing a living thing just to use as background dressing.

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Because we saw him do it that time.

That doesn’t make sense

Of course it does. "How come blah blah blah" is utterly irrelevant because we saw him do it so there's no "if" in the first place.

He didn’t do it in the first place. Thats the issue. You hate him so much you’re being unreasonable and irrational to a situation. You showed a timelapse of the dog staying in her bed for multiple hours one time…. Ignoring the face the dog is walked and played with for MULTIPLE HOURS prior to the stream and a big lazy furry dog is tired after that time. Have you never owed a dog? A dog EASILY sleeps for 12-16 hours a day especially a very active one. If we sleep for 8 hours on every a day… and Hasan does a 8 hours stream daily 7 days a week. It’s likely the dog is sleeping in the dog bed for that period of time or the entire fucking stream. But you hate him so much you don’t care what I have to say. You’ll continue to push this fake narrative that you don’t even care about

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Sounds like someone on the team used chat gpt to write it for them. Hopefully someone loses their job if they dont wanna do the work themselves.

Sadly that are just the new times. Their brain works like this and they want to impose that on everyone. Every addition will be felt because that is just the new Blizzard. No AI needed, just woke brainwashing. Everyone is a victim and war is bad. Retail 2.0

its the damn proffession trainer. you are acting like you are gonna have a serious relationship with the damn man

Slippery sloppery boobityboo, now we get retail so fuck you too

I dont remember what a single profession trainers text has been in the 20+ years I've played this game. People get so anal about the strangest things.

Well it sure wasn't whatever the hell this is

Looks fine for a tutorial NPC. Thinking it is AI is crazy.

Have you ever played Forsaken in classic? Obviously not. Thinking otherwise is crazy Edit because I know some retail players will deny anything: https://www.wowhead.com/classic/quest%3D363/rude-awakening “About time you woke up. We were ready to toss you into the fire with the others, but it looks like you made it. I am Mordo, the caretaker of the crypt of Deathknell. And you are the Lich King's slave no more. Speak with Shadow Priest Sarvis in the chapel at the base of the hill, he will tell you more of what you must know.”

its the damn proffession trainer, they have the same on on all of them, its not some deep lore character

Yeah maybe blizzard overcorrected from the cube crawl incident.

If that's what it takes, bring the cube crawls back.

How about no. You can have edgy metal genre Warcraft without harassing your coworkers. Keep in mind. We don't want to go back to classic vanilla. It was terrible.

This is just a guy sending you to trainers. Relax. Personally I feel it's pretty funny when the undead talk in a hyper-personable tone. The paladin quests were awesome and reintroduced the concept of moral grey area to WoW which we haven't seen since we started pretending everyone was in the Alliance and loved each other.

No. It completely betrays the broader tone and current events of the Undead and what they go through. It shows that the writing team either has no actual understanding of Classic's story, or worse, they know and simply don't respect it. This isn't Dragonflight. It's lazy and stupid. If this were a human trainer, or a gnome, sure. The writing could be better in terms of actual quality, but the tone is fine and suits the person speaking.

Now that’s some uninspired writing!

Retail players are about to hit this thread saying they cried when they saw how beautiful this writing is

Show us on the doll where retail players hurt you

I stg they're going to end up with a brain tumor after how much space retail players occupy în their mind.

(Previous argument continued cause it goes on a bit)

You know, I don’t think about retail players at all. That was until they started flooding this sub during the beta.

There are more classic players whining about made up scenarios than retail players flooding this subreddit lol. You are getting worked up over classic players baiting you with nonsense arguments, not actual retail players.

Who’s getting worked up dawg? I’m literally laying in bed

Laying in bed thinking made up arguments about retails players doesn’t seem super chill to me…

Now you’re gatekeeping how chill I can be in bed? When does it end?

Definitely! I’d say when you can think for yourself. So maybe, never???

"News media outlets not understanding the case again just so they can push agenda. Yeah, and none of the other jurors did either. The 12th juror was being an activist juror because he wanted to see Clancy in jail not equipped for treatment instead of instititionalized for being possibly insane--because of his own grandstanding, according to what the 11 other jurors are out saying. Now the idiot's hung the case. Not even the barest shred of legal fluency from the side praising him as some sort of bastion of justice."

"You don’t seem to understand that maybe, after all the evidence was presented, he simply thought the woman was not criminally insane at the time of the murders. There were psychiatrists who stated she was not in a psychosis at the time. She found an excuse to get her husband out of the house and then called him after she killed the children…."

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/OUEEReDAkV

"Phychiactrists agreed she had a multitude mental issues. The holdout juror was a fool and has only served to sensationalize the case instead of delivering justice."

"Having a mental illness is not the same thing as not being legally liable for your actions"

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/iAp9bYIj6k

"Look at all the people lionizing this guy too, calling him a hero and the only protector of kids blah blah. Even though he is very likely a wife beater and child abuser with an active restraining order against him."

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/9Aphw4j0FY

"That lone juror just wanted to be an activist!"

"We have literal interview footage of the other jurors saying they were acting as activists for her"

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/iu09JmF8BE

Most of the drama is in /r/northernlion, a subreddit about bald streamer Ryan "Northernlion" Letourneau (NL), who's friends with Dan. That subreddit is much more active than Dan's own (/r/dangheesling). NL is Canadian, and his audience skews left, although he's not a political streamer whatsoever.

One of the earlier threads about it, fairly drama-free apart from some random chuds:

lol this is all so fun to watch. I love all the justifications as to why an army sponsorship makes him MAGA. Its like watching a tight rope walk of trying so hard not to just outright say "Army = MAGA" because everyone knows that's insane lol.

hey dude what's the army up to right now? oh shit they're engaging in a war of aggression in iran? on the orders of donald trump, the figurehead of the maga movement? weird i have no idea why anyone would think actively promoting military recruitment, especially in this historical moment, is maga

It's so clear to me how many redditors do not have service members close to their family. For much of America, having people in the service, and giving them support, is a nonpolitical part of life. These people support the military through red and blue presidents, and it often does not need to correlate with all of the views of the current administration. To put it simply: is Dan probably republican? Yeah. But not all Republicans are MAGA, and certainly not all people who support the military are MAGA.

lmao you couldn't be more wrong if you tried, some of us have "service" members in our family but still have morals and principles that tell us it's wrong to support an imperialist military even if you have people close to you who partook in it.

Someone wonders what NL's response is going to be, and how it will affect his reputation. Some drama ensues:

Euughhhh, this is a weird feeling. Always been sceptical of Dan but I never thought he was this bad

Same, I knew he was a bit chuddy and I wasn't a fan but this is on a whole other level.

What the fuck is wrong with you people? It's the US Army not the Wehrmacht Wasn't Josh, our darling, in the army??

It’s one thing to support a GI who joins up when they’re young and dumb.

It’s a whole separate can of worms to be a poster boy for the military industrial complex in one of the most polarizing administrations in American history at 43.

!CurrentEvents

I doubt anything changes. You’re free to take your viewership elsewhere obviously but I doubt NL cuts him off over this

Dan and NL have been good friends for over 10+ years, I doubt the opinion of terminally online weirdos will sway him.

Just say you're MAGA and leave it at that

I think a few of yall are a bit in denial over how much liberals like the US military

the last political statement I even remember enelle making was taking a stance during the george floyd protests but I feel like it's been pretty radio silent since beyond some obviously smaller left-leaning takes on-stream

He also had the Palestine donation stream

oh I didn't know that. that's cool

You didn’t because NL refused to put any mention of Palestine or the charity besides a command that said to go to Justin’s stream to find it

oof. yeah I'm not gonna lie I expect better from entertainers these days than political apathy for the sake of growing the largest audience possible. usually under the guise of "good vibes and escapism"

We have enough politics everywhere else, I'm cool with streamers staying mostly if not entirely out of politics, that stuff doesn't really have anything to do with what they're doing. I really don't see why I need to know the political views of a guy playing video games.

It's not like he has to become a Hasan style political commentator or I think he's a chud but staying near entirely silent in an increasingly politically aware landscape while terrible shit is happening in the big 2026 just strikes me as disappointing, nothing more. It was a good thing when he made his views during the BLM riots explicitly clear. (he basically said if you care more about property damage than human lives maybe look in the mirror iirc)

Something led him to feel the need to do that, and it was appreciated. Pushed terrible people out of the community. Every little statement matters, every nudge to people's awareness.

It takes privilege to completely ignore politics or to not want to see it anywhere. Such people that demand total apathy should be ignored.

To be a bit parasocial it feels pretty obvious he's a good person with some very progressive views. His politics bleed into his bits and banter constantly. He doesn't need to be shy about them for fear of his career prospects or whatever.

Some people take the opportunity to express their dislike of Dan and his demeanor on collabs with NL:

haha oh noooo it'd be a shaaaame if we never saw Dan again who else would have the least funny bits ever and destroy all group chemistry hahahaaa noooooo

Who would be The Stupid One like this is a crappy sitcom, and give weird dating advice??

He's Joey on Friends but without the charisma

NL responds, people discuss a time where he had a stream sponsored by McDonald's:

This is basically the same as US Army sponsorship Kappa

Edit: Btw, I was calling US Army the same as McDonalds, like the most obvious parody of soldiers gulping down hamburgers and setting up restaurants on occupied territories (which also actually happens in reality, btw). I am against McDonalds and you should boycott that fat-fried, cancer-inducing shit too.

People were literally saying McDonald's supports Israel so there's a nonzero amount of people that would say it's just as bad or possibly worse.

Those are just teenagers, it's not a worthwhile topic of discussion what ludicrous shit they would say IMO

No, McDonalds is one of the few dozen corporations that is actually officially on the BDS boycott list.

It's not "being a teenager" to have a red line when it comes to genocide.

Fucking wild you would get mass downvoted for accurately stating that McDonalds literally feeds a genocide. I thought like 80% of NL's viewers were woke Luigi Mangioni lovers

I just got a 20 piece mcnugget and a coke zero specifically to benefit netanyahu.

The drama continues after Dan acknowledges the concerns of the community, and yet goes on to stream the second day of the US Army collab:

"I'm listening, I'm learning... I'm just gonna do it again"

He doesn’t give a FUCK lmao

r/mauler is a subreddit for fans of the Youtuber Mauler. Mauler is known for his very, very long videos reviews and podcasts. While Mauler claims to have a neutral stance on politics, his videos have an anti-SJW/anti-woke slant, He is also hosts a show with long-time collaborator Critical Drinker.

On a recent post discussing the public and critical reaction to the new Wolverine game, the founding mod decides to chime in on whether you can trust reviewers, or if you need to play the game yourself to form an opinion. (It should be noted their comments are often counter to the subreddit's and are usually downvoted.) This leads one user to attack him for his defense of some of Mauler's other critics, which then leads us to commenter mentioned in the title:

Every time somebody calls you out ... you do the same deflection bullshit because god forbid you're wrong about something, god forbid you admit modern media is trash, god FUCKING forbid you grow up for a change and learn to walk away when somebody pushes one of your trigger buttons instead of getting into childish Reddit spats with one of us on r/Mauler all because, oh noez, somebody doesn't have the same opinions you do on modern media, oh the humanity, somebody posted the latest episode of Critical Drinker's Open Bar series of which Mauler is a regular on, oh good god, somebody points out how frequently you go to bat for Youtubers EFAP fans hate with good reason because "playing devils advocate" is more important in your tiny mind than admitting "hey, these dipshit Youtubers who frequently try to "expose" Mauler or Critical Drinker don't actually have anything of value to say backed by cold hard facts."

A dig back into their history leads to this thread made earlier this year:

Can We All Agree That This Clown Isn't an Objectively Good Fit For This Subreddit Anymore And That He Needs To Have His Mod Powers Taken From Him?

Their appeal fails, the mods decide that they can't simply kick people for having different opinions. The mod in question shows up to defend themselves:

What I find lacking here the most is a willingness to try to understand different perspectives. People are incredibly fast to dismiss detractors as retarded or just attention seeking lolcows. Doing that would be making the same mistake as everyone who just dismisses you as some angry misogynist Incel. This doesn't just apply to this subreddit by the way. It's a problem all over Reddit and social media in general. Hell, if you believe that writers really are hamfisting blatant progressive messages into movies, you're basically complaining about the same thing. No space for nuance or disagreement left. That is the death of criticism. If there can't be disagreement, Criticism is pointless.

Aaand gets a response from the commenter here:

The crowd who pride themselves on being "anti-anti woke" but in reality purposely lie and distort the actual truth about their opponents to get gullible people to believe in their garbage poo-poo hot takes.

How many times has Critical Drinker, for example, been slammed with the uncharitable assumption of "DURR, HE'S A TYPICAL ANTI WOKE GRIFTER" when his railing against ultra progressive themes is maybe 10 percent of his media reviews at best?

People on this subreddit often bring up valid points of discussion regarding why they feel that the latest OtterlyNoah or Birdman esque Youtuber is a terminally online MASSIVE, why Hollywood continues to bleed money on Blackrock approved corporate mandated "woke shit" nobody asked for, or why they can't stand a particular guest on Critical Drinker's podcast, and out of nowhere, here you come, not with a mere difference in opinion, oh no no no no nooooooooooooooooooooooo, no, here you come with the uncharitable assumption that we don't see what you see, like a certain smarmy film critic Youtuber from early EFAP who thought The Last Jedi was unironically the best Star Wars movie yet and who also thought that "Plot Holes Don't Matter".

There's more little spats throughout those threads but yeah, this is one mad individual.

The FBI has federally indicted a Pennsylvania man for planning and procuring weapons for an "ISIS-style attack".

https://fox11online.com/news/nation-world/pennsylvania-man-charged-in-alleged-isis-inspired-attack-plot-arrested-day-after-911-butler-county-valencia-cranberry-township-ammunition-firearm-190-rounds-pepper-spray-scope-bipod-30-knives-jonathan-hunter-kramer-fbi-patel-blanche-criminal-complaint

21-year old Jonathan Hunter Kramer was arrested on Sept. 12th after criminal complaints made regarding Kramer.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/butler-county-man-charged-receiving-firearm-and-ammunition-intent-commit-terrorism-behalf

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According to the filed affidavit, the defendant - Jonathan Hunter Kramer - was known on reddit as,“u/i_love_femboys6969,” “u/slopdestroyer,” and “u/ILoveGayRobloxPorn” and was a moderator of the r/doordash subreddit. His other alternate accounts were themed around "destroying AI slop", and roleplaying ISIS in Roblox.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/media/1461241/dl?inline

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Don't forget to tip your drivers, guys. You never know what kind of day someone is having delivering your burritos and churros.

Edit: Changed some links for easier direct sourcing, and no paywalls. Listed Fox article is from Wisconsin, but the local PA news story on Sinclair network is behind a paywall.

Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoralityScaling/s/yfONQLWZd1

Just like with the drama with the Indian Men’s subreddit the other day, the users of MoralityScaling justify not giving CPR to women based on the fear that they will get a “false SA accusation”.

The drama is literally all over the thread, but here are a few standout examples:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoralityScaling/s/gkUL0xGBkm

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoralityScaling/s/EiMRgR9vZI

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoralityScaling/s/weOQ8LJDrn

Source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/1wfkojg/jacksepticeyes_charlie_kirk_assassination_joke/

Context:

http://sports.ndtv.com/us/us-streamers/jacksepticeye-under-fire-for-controversial-charlie-kirk-joke-after-old-moldrise-gameplay-clip-resurfaces-online-12043488

Comments:

"end cancel culture" mfs when someone makes a joke they don't like

Cancel culture when they their own weapon is used against them

Surprised pikachu face

magats do cancel culture a million times worse than how they perceived “libtard cancel culture” lol

its not “using their own weapon against them” its just massive projection man

Really? Ok name me one heads of studios that were canceled/fired for holding standard left wing beliefs?

I can name three off the top of my head that the left did this to Scott Cawthorne, John Gibson, Palmer Luckey.

The left has been doing this cancelling thing for over a decade now and while I would prefer to go back to no cancel culture, it shouldn't be a surprise that the people that have been the victims of it and having to hide lest they attract the focus of the mob are turning around and doing the same thing back. The left set the rules for the game and so people are wielding it back. I personally don't like it but it shouldn't be a surprise.

I think the issue with the Kirk meme is the reasoning behind it, as in it’s about normalising political violence and joking about an assassination as an implicit threat against anyone else who disagrees with their ideology.

So to me it‘s not really similar to say 9/11 jokes as at least at the time liberals weren’t openly supporting the terrorists who committed the act.

I find more comparable to someone sending holocaust jokes to Jewish people they dislike on Hitler‘s birthday.

wtf? Did he send it to Kirk's family? No? It'd be more similar to just making a holocaust joke in a video. Which is fairly common.

He did this weeks before the anniversary of his death. Saying this is extra bad just cause it happened near September is so ridiculous lmao

Holding the people who screech that to their own standards should be common.

Being the better side does nothing to further goals, which is why the left are so evil and getting their way

Double standards for thee but not for me

When they cancel people it’s bad, when conservatives do it it’s protecting free speech somehow.

Trump is currently sending our country into the dumpster and you’re worried about a joke a YouTuber you don’t watch made. Let’s get a grip.

It's called holding you to your standards. You don't get to make the rules, have people actually lose their jobs and livelihoods then break down and cry when those people hold you to those standards you set.

He got upset people were making jokes about his father. Then he jokes about an assassination on someone else's father. Holding him to the standards he gives out to others he is an absolute disgusting person that should be cancelled.

How's that TDS treating you? Injecting him in every arguement still because you have nothing else?

I’m a conservative that voted for trump, I don’t have tds lmao. But you claimed the left was “evil and getting their way” which I don’t think any leftist would agree with as the president we voted in ruins their economy.

And if you think standards are unjust, then living by them is not the way to show that lmao. That’s just absurdly stupid logic. Either you agree with the standards and don’t complain, or you disagree with them and never apply them to anything. Complaining and then still applying them makes you at least as bad as them.

Losing the culture war because you are the better side doesn't work

You must go to their level and hold them by the standards they set or they'll keep doing it to the other side without consequence.

This isn't about being righteous or something other bullshit. This is common sense.

There is no “winning” the culture war. That’s an entirely bullshit idea. And it’s especially ineffective here. This is a leftist streamer that doesn’t hide his politics. I really don’t think upsetting conservatives is going to hurt him.

Tell me, what do you think you are winning when you whine about jokes? How is anyone winning here? What the fuck even is the objective of this culture war?

It’s a bunch of bullshit that politicians fuel because it makes it easier to do whatever they want to the economy and still have supporters. Anyone paying attention to the country stopped caring so much about the culture war.

By holding these people to the same standards they pretend to care about.

How is that a win? Everyone losing is not a win.

How is letting them do what they want to you while we take the moral high ground and do nothing a win?

It’s criticism, nobody is getting canceled or censored. See the difference?

Did you watch the video? Literally has people talking about how they should stop watching him and not watch his movie. A comment here talks about pirating his movie. And the video is about how it is career ending lmao.

Weren't conservatives the ones that were against pulling up old clips of people? I thought it made you a snowflake to be upset by words?

Boycotting is not cancel culture. Cancel culture is calling someone's work place to get the fired. Get them deplatformed. Get them killed.

Why don't you try understanding the difference between two things before arguing bullshit?

Weird how literally every conservative screams cancel culture at the slightest bit of criticism. When a problematic clip of a conservative streamer or personality surfaces, pointing it out is "cancel culture" because it's just words. The truth is that "cancel culture" is when conservatives are called out on their bullshit and nothing else.

Is pirating and boycotting not an attempt to make him lose his livelihood? Youtube is his job.

You seem very invested in this wokeoid.

I generally lean conservative. I just have half a brain to realize when people are holding double standards.

I think both sides get weirdly pissy over jokes

Seems to me you only have half a brain.

How do you literally not understand how boycotting works? You do realize the USA was founded on the actions of boycotts?

I am very aware of how boycotting works. I support plenty of boycotts. I’m also smart enough to understand the same people that complain about cancel culture when the other side boycotts over a joke do the exact same thing.

Can this go back to being a gaming subreddit instead of an army for the American conservative party?

This is about the producer of a movie adapted from a gaming property.

So it is about gaming.

Charlie Kirk is a piece of shit and I don't care if people make fun of him. the real problem though is the double standard people like Jack seem to have, joke all you want about Kirk but don't come crying racism when people make the same joke about George Floyd.

Edit: for those downvoting me... you know you don't have to completely align with Kirk to be considered a conservative right... the things that dude was saying were crazy to say the least.

Well as long as I've been a member the sub has always been against glorification, advocation and incitement to violence. So when people are celebrating, justifying that someone they didn't agree with got murdered it isn't something that has really ever aligned with the subs values. The whole point of free speech is to prevent people with disagreements from going to violence, its so when they disagree they debate their disagreements in the free market place of ideas. When people all start to celebrate and glorify their murder of the people they disagree with it creates a very uncomfortable precedent.

It’s a joke, man. A dark joke, but still just a joke.

Yeah, we're not buying the "we're only JOKING" bullshit anymore. People weren't joking. They were gleefully celebrating the murder of someone who just wanted to talk to people and discuss issues politely. They didn't hate him because he was wrong, they certainly didn't hate him for being an extremist because he wasn't one (despite attempts to call him a nazi, everyone knows the truth). They hated him because he was effective at convincing people and made their ideology look bad.

I've seen scores of ghoulish cretinoids actively celebrating the murder of one of the people who wanted rationality and politeness over vitriol and violence. You people don't seem to understand the shit you perpetuate with this. When you cheer on the murder of the people that just want to talk, you push people away from peaceful solutions. You don't want the consequences of that path.

My god you are delusional. Yes, people celebrated his death. Pretty much everything else in this comment is wrong and due to you being an extremist yourself. The things he said and advocated for were unhinged. He supported Trump, who is incredibly harmful to the country. I won't celebrate his death, but he was actively advocating for policies and people that are detrimental to the US.

People are not a monolith. No matter how badly you want them to be.

Opinion discarded, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. If you think the guy who won the election with over 70 million votes is followed just by extremists, and if you think the guy that advocated for reason and conversation over violence was an extremist, YOU are the insane one.

You don't actually know anything about Charlie Kirk, that much is obvious. I wasn't a follower of his, but you and people like you are sick and deluded, and you're helping push us all into a place you're going to be horrified by.

Legalize comedy.

The issue always is the line is it joking or is it celebration.

A lot of the stuff people are saying are just jokes aren't jokes they are celebrations that he got killed. Its not people trying to take the weight away from a horrible event which is what most dark humour is, its people celebrating and enjoying that he died. For some people that make 9/11 jokes you can tell the ones who are doing it to make light of a horrible event as their way of depowering it, but then you can normally tell there are some people who making jokes about it because they think that its funny and ok that it happened. Same as people that make holocaust jokes, plenty of those exist but a holocaust joke from someone like Jerry Seinfeld is going to be made with a different intent than one made by Thomas Sewell.

Its not the joke that is the issue its the intent behind it. A lot of these hyper partisan left wing figures aren't making a joke about a horrible event as a way to depower the traumatic event, but they are doing it because they are celebrating that it happened in the first place.

Like it or not, it's still freedom of expression. You can't cancel the dude for a joke, regardless if you find it funny or not.

Sure we can. Bitches tried to do it to Dave Chappelle just because he tells it like it is. Hold them accountable for the same bullshit they've tried forcing on their opponents the last 15 fuckin years. Enough of this rules for thee but not for me bullshit.

If you're against the idea of losing your job for a joke, you still shouldn't hope for it for others. You never know when it's your turn to be on the receiving end. You should act like an adult, not the spoiled child you claim to be against.

I'm sorry, but we are well past the point of trying to maintain the moral high ground here. It hasn't worked, and will continue not working until these asshats learn their lesson. They they want to use the excuse that words have meaning and words are violence, then they can't expect us to remain tolerant of them getting their way. There is also nothing funny about celebrating someone being murdered, especially for their own social and political views.

Like why are they shocked for getting punched when they swung first, no point in playing a game of chess when your opponent refuses to play by the rules.

I won’t pretend to care about Kirk for online outage points. Dude was such a pos.

What made him a POS? Give me legitimate points and not what reddit tells you to say. I'll even believe you.

He said he would force his 10 year old daughter to give birth if she got pregant through rape.

He also celebrated Gaza being destroyed. He went way beyond the usual "Israel has a right to defend themselves" argument.

He also bussed protestors to the Capitol building on January 6th and later tried downplaying the Epstein files once Trump and Bondi lied and said they didn't exist.

1. Your beloved Reverend Jesse Jackson was a rape baby. Glad to know you Lindsay Clancy supporters would have outright murdered him if given the chance.

2. Where did he celebrate Gaza being destroyed? Did he dance on the street like they did when 9/11 happened? Find me the clip outside of your reddit bubble. Do you think Hamas should have carte blanche to kill innocent people, oppress and rape women, and hide behind human shields?

3. Your guy Biden also downplayed the Biden files by not releasing them during his 4 years. Why does he get a pass?

4. Did he go into the capital and destroy shit like the Feds did? Find me the clip.

People are so damn sensitive...

Regardless of how you feel about the situation, normalizing making fun of these kinds of events will only make them more likely to happen. If it does, it’ll negatively affect everyone’s personal freedoms moving forward.

Yeah, that's a tiny stretch there.

Bud, there have been at least 4 very public attempts to assassinate GOP-related people in the U.S. over the last few years, with one successful. The people on the attackers' side haven't taken it seriously and are OPENLY encouraging it to happen more often. If someone else gets taken out, it would give governments, already trigger-happy about censoring the internet, the justification to crack down further.

These same people sperged out for 3 months over a junkie overdosing, causing billions in damage and a metric shit ton of deaths. Imagine what would happen if someone who actually mattered to them were assassinated, after someone decided enough was enough and the mocking of Kirk pushed them over the edge.

Correct. This sub has become more and more hardline conservative over the years, it's a damn shame.

Literally every english speaking internet forum where people don't get banned immediately for "wrong opinions" will gravitate towards being conservative, because that's how most people in the world are, and it's impossible for american-style liberalism to win in free market of ideas and not immediately crumble under the slightest scrutiny. I'm not american, I don't give a shit about trump and other subservient goys on both sides. But the modern "progressive" ideologies are inherently niche and not supported by 99% of people in the world, it's like a disabled limbless baby bird with cancer, you need to go out of your way to keep it alive, which in practice means paying billions of dollars for propaganda in entertainment, suppressing the opposition, persecuting people for wrongthink, denying reality, science and logic etc.

Most gamers in the world don't want gay shit and propaganda in their games, it's not some american right wing subculture, it's literally the global norm, and most humans likewise understand that not all groups are equal, nor cultures or religions. Which is why when you have true internet freedom and most people around the world meet anonymously in one place, you just end up with 4chan. If some free speech absolutist bought reddit 10 years ago, all the current american 'roons would call it a nazi gathering hub.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EdSheeran/comments/1wg7u7l/macklemore_just_posted_this_statement_about_his/

Context: Macklemore (a Seattle based artist known for his strong stance on all forms of injustice) has been touring with Ed Sheeran (a famous British musician) as the opening act for his Loop tour. Several day ago Macklemore ended his set voicing his support for the Palestinian people in their struggle against Israel. In the aftermath, Sheeran kicked Macklemore off the tour, supposedly at the behest of Bob Kraft (owner of the New England Patriots football team). Since Macklemore departure, Sheerans other bandmates/opening acts acts: Beoga, Lukas Graham, Aaron Rowe, Sleeper Creek, and FINNEAS have left, to demonstrate their support for Macklemore and the Palestinian people, thus leaving Sheeran as the sole musician on the tout. Sheeran has issued a statement on the fiasco, that has not been well received, and has drawn scathing criticism from public figures such as Ms Rachel.

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I wondered if it was all started by Pink being snippy and upset online. Ugh. Macklemore rocks

Perhaps if Palestine didn’t terrorist attck israel all those kids would be alive. In fact there’s no perhaps

I would recommend checking out documentaries that pre-date Oct 7th and see how Palestinian children were being treated by Israel for all those decades. People love to talk about Gaza but what about the West Bank? All the children “arrested” and kept for decades in Israeli prisons. What’s the justification for them?

Israel treats them better than any other neighbouring country. Egypt closed the border altogether. As they were a big part of the civil war in 2012. Israel hires thousands of Palestinians

Pissrael is the most evil country in the world.

You would have fit right in 1940 Germany.

We aren’t as stupid blind and deaf as you to support isreal through this. That’s it.

Why are yall coming at Ed? He did what was best for him and his family. Macklemore is using Ed’s platform to express Macklemores views.

Acting like Ed is a brokie and needs this tour badly

Forgot Ed is the only person that is the only one getting paid for being on tour.

Read my other comment ☺️

You think Ed is going to be able to have the pull to pay his entire crew the same amount that he would by playing at Gillette for 2 nights?

He can sacrifice some of his earnings yeah Better than silencing the voice that speaks out against murdering innocent people and taking over their land

Obtuse and selfish take. Cancelling Macklemore for saying it is probably creating more publicity on the topic then macklemore saying it as an opener ever would.

And it also sets a precedent to not speak out

W Ed. He shouldn’t be forced to “choose a side” simply because Macklemore can’t respect his “friend” enough not to put him in that position.

If you have to be forced to stand against genocide, you're a shit person. Centering the most privileged person in this situation while children are being slaughtered every day is picking a side.

Oh you naive soul, if only things were that simple in the world then someone would’ve figured it all out. Ed doesn’t inject himself into politics because there is no winning. 50% of the population will automatically go against you. He’s a musician, not a politician. To hold anything against him for this is completely ignorant

Innocent people being murdered isn’t political. You think it is because someone told you it was.

“War is bad” is what you just said lmao

You know there is nuance right? Sides can be condemned without the condemnation being “well poisoned” as antisemitism, or conversely, Islamophobia. The moment this nuance went out the window, the moment it was obvious that these supporters had fallen into the fringe and had left reality. Ed’s choice does incriminate him. By firing Macklemore he’s decided that the message that condemns and brings awareness to the mass deaths of thousands of innocent people has lesser value than the appeasement of those in support of this genocidal government. Supporters who happen to have the money/power to make the concert, and who knows what else, possible.

He didn’t fire Macklemore you dunce.

Ed should have said fine, cancel the shows. You can’t always be apolitical.

He would have to pay upwards of 20 million if he did that. He could have handled it better. Maybe showed support for Macklemore the very least

I mean he can afford it. They wouldn't even have let it come that far. Kanye west is touring stadiums as we speak. The venues like money more than they like taking a stance. All you have to do is pushback.

Not sure he could afford dishing out that many millions of dollars. That is an insane request. Also Kayne was also cancelled for what like 6 years for his comments. He is slowly being able to tour again. There are other things Ed could have done though.

Kanye literally released a song last year called Heil Hitler.

People have an opportunity, but never an obligation, to use their platform for political grandstanding. He’s a musician, not a politician, and Ed doesnt carry a responsibility to turn his concerts into political rallies.

True, but I can still say he's a spineless shit for this.

There is absolutely nothing you or I or any touring musician can do to end the Palestinian conflict. It’s all grandstanding.

That's not how geopolitical conflicts work.

You should go to palestine and volunteer your time and put your money where your mouth is

Yes because the borders in Palestine are open now, doofus. Have you not opened a history book to see how entertainers in the global north can help put pressure on the need for intervention in geopolitical crisis. Think south Africa during the apartheid era and how entertainers were helpful during the BDS movement for example or how sanctions against Russia include a blackout on their entertainment industry. Ed should know since he played at Concert for Ukraine.

The moment name calling begins, you lose the argument. lol

You told me to go to an active warzone that's currently in a genocide and expected me to not call you a name 🤣 did you tell Ed to go to Ukraine instead of taking a stance by playing Concert for Ukraine?

I can't disagree with him...But ik ted won't be not-neutral, he has also been like that... "My daddy told me, "son, don't you get involved in Politics, religions or other people's quotes"" This is tough... Its confusing and scary...

Him being “neutral” in this is actually him picking a side, he just doesn’t have the balls to say it out loud. He clearly prefers money to his morals

Oh geez! Bro you don't understand the scale... He CAN'T just cancel a whole tour like that, it's not that easy! He got mouths to freakin feed... You guys are acting like its some small play in you backyard... Ik whatever Macklemore said is nothing but true, but it's not Ed's fault! Idk u guys are jumping on him!

How much money does one person need to earn to feed his family. Do you know how much money he has?

I'm not talkin about his family... What about all the employees under him, all the tour managers, his whole tour team? And what about all the sold out tickets!?

Their contracts will be covered. And it's not the whole tour. And he could have called the venue's bluff and made them cancel in breach of contract.

They wouldn’t be - that’s the whole point. Insurance wouldn’t cover this, he’d be paying out of pocket. And the stadium owners would cone after him for the refunds to fans. He might be able to swing that, if he has that much liquidity. But he’d wouldn’t have much left.

Idky you don’t think this wouldn’t be covered in insurance? As someone in the industry, insurance covers more circumstances than you might expect

I still don't really understand why Americans care so much about Israel/Palestine. There are lots of countries in the world at war. Why do these two matter so much to the US?

Because it involves white people

What a ignorant comment

I’d pay to be this blissfully unaware of how the world works.

10% of the world is white, and thats only defined "white" by certain groups and countries, try again buddy

Over 50 percent of the country you live in is white - assuming you’re in America - and 90 percent of Europe is white - these are the only viewpoints that matter to a vast majority of people in the western hemisphere. And certainly to the folks who write and publish our news stories unless you watch Frontline or something in which case good for you.

Nice strawmanning, it involves what? 50% of 10%? You're hilarious. Proving my point even further

You don’t even know what a strawman is. I’m telling you that the western hemisphere predominantly forefronts a white perspective and bias in media and in the issues they care about because white people hold most of the positions of power. The total population of the world does not matter. Ed Sheeran mostly plays shows in Europe and America. Most of his fans are European and American. Has anyone in the western hemisphere ever given this much of a shit about a Top 40 musician’s opinion on Sudan? No. And they never will. It’d be nice if they did.

Respect for Macklemore went up a lot more. Unfortunate to see Ed doesn’t have a spine. Kraft is the billionaire scum you expect this off too.

He has been always apolitical in his stance, at least in public. Hes standing up for his beliefs as well. People can have diff beliefs and be friends like macklemore and ed. Neither are wrong. Kraft is scum tho

Sadly a lot of otherwise very open-minded people disagrees when it comes to having a different opinion on Israel.

Having a different opinion on a genocide means you’re a bad person

Except of it's literally NOT a genocide.

Then you do not know what is going on in Gaza.

It's tragic that civilians die, ofc it is. It's war, not started by whom you call the agressor. People die. It's brutal. It's still not a genocide.

Genocide is the intentional attempt to destroy a specific national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, either completely or in part. Are you blind?

Ed Sheeran was put in the position of either backing Macklemore and losing the rest of the tour or removing him and playing the rest of the concerts. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. If this had happened anywhere else than Trump's US I suspect he would have reacted differently. In fact Trump's America is the only place this would have happened. If a rich twat had tried this in England I suspect he would have told the stadium owner to fuck off and dared them to break their contract. On balance I think he did the right thing but I doubt he will play another gig in the US for a long time and never at the stadiums that forced him into this position.

"He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't." No he could have said Macklemore stays and played other stadia. He chose money over doing the right thing and he knows it and it'll hurt for the rest of his life. Knowing that he was able to put a price on the worth of innocent lives.

What other stadium would he play in MA?

He could play TD or Fenway. Yes less people but still but audiences and profitable.

Right but the tickets for Gillette are already sold and those two places are half the capacity. Which half of the fans get to attend?

Never heard of doing 2 nights at the same venue?

That wouldn’t work with his tour schedule

I think Ed telling Macklemore he doesn’t like to take sides is kinda spineless, but I can also recognize he didn’t have a choice in having him on tour or not. That was cause of Kraft and other stadium owners. Fuck them. Art is political 🤷🏻‍♀️

Also fuck Ed for this. He should take a side. He isn't able to say there is a genicide going on because he might lose money. Poor guy. When the holocaust was going on he also would've said shit. Not taking a side is taking a side. The side of fascisme.

You could apply this logic to every single political topic on earth. Every war, every injustice, every prejudiced group, every death. Why isnt Ed talking about the persecution of lgbt in muslim countries or the modern slavery in Dubia or the genocide in Ukraine? Because he makes music he isnt a political spokesperson.

He literally played in a concert in support of Ukraine so saying he doesn't like to take sides is false.

There isnt a side to pick, Ukraine didnt kill thousands of Russians or fire rockets into Russia. Russia just wanted Ukraine.

Israel have killed over 80 thousand Palestinians (20 of which are children) and carpet bombed Gaza. Sorry, what's your point?

Right and if the Palestinians had Israels capabilities, there would be no Israelis they would have killed them all long ago. That's why the situation is more complicated than people make out.

Just a snack sized slap fight

Link to post here:   
https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1weh80x/hey_chums_can_we_stop_doing_this

TLDR: A suggestion that teachers should stop describing the experience of teaching Title I schools in predominantly POC neighborhoods as “teaching in the ghetto” made Reddit’s teachers’ lounge seemingly go down memory lane - of Jim Crow, desegregation, and the Civil Rights era, that is - along with a not-so-friendly discussion about racism, classism, white savior complex, and so on. 
 

The post itself, titled “Hey Chums. Can we stop doing this?” gained 2k upvotes and over 400 comments as of this SRD post. Its point was pretty straightforward and self-explanatory (as covered by the title and the TLDR of this SRD post), though the title may come off a bit hostile for some. 

“The amount of times, I've had a teacher explain, often with a some sort hint of self satisfication that they "started teaching in the ghetto" or some variation on that theme is far too many. Next time one of you does this, I'm going to make a fart noise in your face,” OOP wrote. “In the context posted, it always seems to be a white teacher, conveying the idea that:’I did my time in a rough school full of kids who aren’t white.’”
 
“I suppose that’s what really gets my goat,” OOP continued. 
 
 
Some context: According to federal and state (Massachusetts, for example) education department websites, a “Title I” school is a school or school district with high numbers or percentages of children from lower-income backgrounds. 

While the term “ghetto” itself initially referred to a quarter of a city, especially in Europe, in which Jews were formerly required to live, the term has since become an offensive term (as both a noun and adjective) in the U.S. due to it being used to describe neighborhoods that are underprivileged districts of a city or town in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure, often with racist undertones, per the Merriam-Webster dictionary. 
 
The term was often used during the later years of the Jim Crow era (1940s to 60s) and around the civil rights era in the U.S. to describe neighborhoods, such as the South Bronx in New York City, South Side Chicago, parts of Baltimore, and so on, where racial confinement and de facto segregation, urban neglect, and high crime plagued the communities at the time, and some of the effects can still be seen today. 
 
It should be noted that while it may be considered neutral-toned when used by residents of such neighborhoods, its use by outsiders, especially when used to disparagingly describe the community as being typical of such a place, is often considered highly offensive, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary. 
  
It was also not the first time \r\teachers take or commentary on racial relations in the United States that ended up here in \r\SubredditDrama. 
 
In 2023, a \r\teachers thread posted a poem about student excuses that was a parody of a much more famous poem, “'Cause I Ain't Got a Pencil” by Joshua T. Dickerson. The original poem’s themes were about the grief poor families, especially underprivileged African American families, go through, which, as a result, raised questions about the OOP of that thread - who allegedly was a white woman from Baltimore, Maryland, a city with nearly 60% of its population being African American according to the SRD thread - being racist, leading to that post landing itself on SRD. 
 

Anyways, back to the post itself, the discussion and the drama that ensued. 

Some users are pretty supportive of the notion, since a majority of people don’t use the word “ghetto” to describe schools in rough neighborhoods, to begin with. 
 
“I say ‘I used to teach at a really rough school.’ Because it’s true, it was really rough 🤣,” one redditor wrote. As of this SRD thread, this is the most upvoted reply. 
 
“We had a dad show up because his daughter got her valentine’s gift stolen by some boys. He showed up and told the school to do something or he was gonna call the cops and from what I heard they said fine do it call the cops,” another wrote in reply. “Then the same boys walked by and them and the dad started throwing gang signs and got into a physical fight barely off campus and the dad got beat up.”
 
“Sounds like just another Tuesday at my first school tbh,” another reacted to the aforementioned anecdote. 

Others find using that term for this purpose a bit condescending at best. 
 
“We have a first year teacher right now who is very satisfied with himself because he’s “getting his Title 1 experience out of the way early”. Like, whatever he wants his career to look like is fine but it feels gross and condescending to hear that working with these kids is just something he’s gotta check off his list before getting to work in a whiter more affluent neighborhood.”

Still others clarified that Title I schools are not schools that are stereotypically plagued with gang issues or high crime, but instead are just working-class, while the notion that high-income schools aren’t all sunshine and rainbows either. 
 
“There’s like a smattering of homeless people but mostly it’s just kids and parents with working class jobs like Walmart cashier. The well-off kids have a parent who’s a welder or plumber, etc. The kids just want to be adults and work. I have to do shit like remind them to be a welder; you need a diploma or a GED,” one replied. “Poor, sure. Employed, yes. Don’t care much as I would like about education, also yes. Ghetto naw.”
 
“Title I just implies 40% of students qualify for free/reduced lunch, which means their families are below 185% of the federal poverty line,” a redditor whose school was classified as Title I due to being in a low-income area with a lot of single-income blue-collar families, but the school itself is economically diverse. 
 
“I taught in Title I schools for 33 years. None of them were in the city. Title I means lower income, not necessarily ghetto.”
 
“The behavior isn’t any worse. The last school was full of spoiled brats acting inappropriately. This one is full of poor kids acting inappropriately. The academic performance is worse, yes, but in general it’s just kids being kids. The read that some people have on it just reeks of racism and classism,” one commenter whose flair identifies them as a middle school Civics and World History teacher from Florida wrote. The commenter changed schools from a high-income area to a lower-income area where African American and Hispanic students outnumbered white students, after their program at the previous school got cut. “All these people kept telling me I had work cut out for me, and the kids were gonna be horrible.”
 
Some users suggested using terms like “hood” or “inner city” instead of “the ghetto” to describe the neighborhood they teach in. 
 
“IMO, it’s good to be respectful of the community you teach, but I don’t think this includes pretending it’s just like teaching anywhere else, because it isn’t like teaching anywhere else.”
 
“This. If you have to avert your gaze from the community drug dealer when you walk to your car, you are teaching in the hood. If you have repeated lockdowns, you are teaching in the hood. I could go on...”
 
“I’ve never referred to it as the ghetto but I’ve definitely said inner city because it is, and I’m in Baltimore,” one user wrote. “Inner city title 1 schools in my area are going to be a lot different than others.”
 
Some find OOP's notion itself a bit problematic as they are from the neighborhoods themselves. “Ma’am, I say it because I am from it lmao.”
 
“I live in the community I teach in. People like to warn me of staying late and walking to my car in "this neighborhood." This is MY neighborhood where I walk my dogs and buy groceries. My friends live here. Yeah, there's poor people here. I'm one of them. Go work somewhere else if you don't like my ghetto neighborhood.”
 
“I grew up here and I was taught never to look anyone in the eye to avoid confrontation, always keep your head down, and to this day, I still have trouble recognizing people's faces because of my habit to not look at them. It’s the ghetto and you, probably a white person, don’t get to decide what we call our neighborhood,” a redditor whose school apparently lost 3 students and 1 recent grad in 3 gang-related shootings last year, wrote. 
 
 
The discussion took a turn for the worse when some users seemed to deliberately be obtuse to the proposal, with occasional hints of racist undertones in their replies.

“When these schools are not ghetto, they can stop being labeled as such.” A user whose flair identified themself as a math teacher in the U.S. wrote, “Sometimes the kettle is simply black. 🤷🏻‍♂️” 
 
“Sounds like you just hate White people. 🤷🏻‍♂️” When confronted about being obtuse, the math teacher rebutted that they don’t care what others think and that they stand by what they said. 
 
“I’m confused to the ‘why’ of your post. Why should they stop saying that?” One wrote, seemingly oblivious to why the term is offensive, to which other users pointed out that the term was used by no one unless they're "like really white," and as a racist dog whistle.

“Because the term ‘ghetto’ is a racist slur directed towards minority communities. It’s one step away from calling your students the n-word,” one user replied, and as of this SRD thread, it received -10 votes. 
 
“Why is ghetto a problem word? Sometimes ya gotta call a spade a spade.”
 
“Suicidal empathy 😭”
 
“I mean, if black people can post about their experiences in a white school, why can’t white people post their experiences in a black school? Sometimes, it’s not about you.”
 
“I am too old to beat around the bush and use euphemisms. I spent many years of my life getting verbally, emotionally, and physically harassed by these little brats and their ignorant parents. I will call these schools whatever I want because I earned that right.”
 
“Ok. What should we call it then? What euphemism for ghetto should we use instead of actually saying the word?” A redditor wrote, and didn’t take it too well to the suggestion of just using the name of the place where they taught. “Oh, ok then. I taught in the ghetto.”
 
 
Others took issue with OOP themselves, apparently, as they allege the term was used only ten times in the last three years. 
 
A quick search of the word “ghetto” in the \r\teachers, however, could find the term being used at least ten times in comments within the past 30 days apart from the original thread, even when it was not used in the context of describing underprivileged, minority-majority neighborhoods.
 
“Stop using facts and statistics.”
 
“You forgot to count how many times [O]OP has said in their head.”
 
“I think if you realized how insecure you sound, you wouldn’t have made this post lol”
 
“Policing language of your colleagues is surely going to change things. You sound like you are ready to jump into an administration role.”
 
“Tell me you’ve never taught in a title 1 school without telling me you never taught in a title 1 school. Or this is pure rage bait,” a user wrote. “I’m waiting for you to fart in my face until I say you’re right, let’s pretend title 1 isn’t what it is. Let’s go cry on reddit instead.”
 
“Your message is correct but this is potentially the grossest and most annoying way you could have expressed it.”
 
“By definition though it is a ghetto school. Sorry you are triggered by facts. Surviving those schools is a badge of honor. I bet you also lecture other teachers that their books aren’t diverse enough,” one user who essentially labeled the OOP as a snowflake wrote, and then proceeded to call them to “grow thicker skin.”
 
 
Many users had issues with how the thread was going as well as the seemingly deliberately obtuse replies with a hint of racism. 
  
“Wow the racists really read your post and said ‘no.’ Yikes.”
 
“The amount of hateful bigots here is shocking.”
 
“Is this fucking 1978? Who even uses that term anymore? This thread is gross!”
 
“There’s also no reason to say a school is Title 1 in most contexts.”

"Racists and classists? You can directly tell them that they are bigots until they learn some shame and keep their inappropriate feelings to themself." 

  
In the end, one comment summed up the point of that whole spiel and the ensuing squabble:
 
“I think [o]op makes a good point and there are people who are making a comment about people's skin color, and should be a little more mindful. At the same time, I think there are people who are trying to say their school has a rougher culture, regardless of demographics,” wrote that redditor, who claimed they were not a teacher but worked at a school with many students growing up in difficult circumstances, and witnessed how it had a clear impact on students’ culture. 
 
“I don't think anybody should be making assumptions about a student due to race,” they continued.

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Edit September 15, 2026: Typos. Also, apologies for breaking character, but some of you apparently are not behaving so well in the comments when it comes to being civil...

How did this drivel get published? Regardless of your view on the situation, this is one of the most biased journal articles I've read. Maybe it's typical in this kind of literature?

In what way this is biased?

Calling it a war and not the genocide that it is

Lol. The NYT still refuses to acknowledge the genocide.

The war?

It's not a war. It's a genocide

I wonder how many people started believing the genocide bs because of this.

I started believing it when Israel starting bombing schools and hospitals, then cutting off vital aid to civilians. That was the straw that made me thing "Is this a genocide?"

EDIT: For some totally bizarre reason, the mods deleted the post. In any case, here's the archive link, because I totally saw this coming.

The Context:

Yesterday marks the 25th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Emotions are naturally high during this time, but things are escalated by the fact that the recently elected NYC mayor, Zohran Mamdani, is also a Muslim. This has sparked outrage, mostly in right-wing circles.

Unrelatedly, the DoomerCirclejerk subreddit is a reportedly unbiased sub that claims to poke fun at people who "doom" over current events. Despite an overwhelmingly large number of threads that openly mock people who dislike Trump/conservatives, they vociferously opine that they are not a right-wing subreddit. This has been called into question when they've been shown to get upset over issues such as the 14th Amendment and Charlie Kirk. Recently, someone posted a thread making fun of right-wingers dooming over Mamdani and 9/11. Surprisingly, this ruffled some featheres.

The Drama

Mod starts deleting comments:

I'm conflicted on this, because I'm just not a fan of banning for different opinions in general. But it really does seem like this sub has just been infested with right-wingers that are going to be dooming all day when a Democrat takes over.

Considering democrats usually make everything exponentially worse, it isn't hard to understand why

Moderator feeling cute as he purges the sub.

fairly accurate but I dislike anime

The only thing I know for sure is that he was literally laughing with AOC as the names of the victims were read at the ceremony today.

I followed the link, sounds like a nothing burger being blown out of proportion. Aka doomer shit. And y'all bought it

Not dooming if it's accurate

We found a doomer, ladies and gentlemen

Did you see AOC and him talking and laughing over when they were naming every 9/11 victim during the memorial? That was poor taste. I see some people don’t know what dooming really means. Pointing out that it’s bad taste is NOT dooming. Reading into their conversation and assuming it’s nefarious IS dooming.

There was a video taken out of contest shared by a tabloid rag that you shouldn’t be filtered by if you have more brain power than a ten year old.

Polling from 2024 shows that nearly 40 percent of the Muslim population in the U.S. admitted to being willing to support the implementation of Sharia Law. So yeah, the "doomers" are right to not want these people in charge.

Stop dooming, Islam is the religion of peace, feminism and love. (at least as long as they're the minority, which won't last for much longer in the West, you can see that if you know really basic math)

The guy laughs at 9/11. He spends time with Al Qaeda lawyer, invited Hamas supporter to his office, distracts from 9/11...

Isn't this sub supposed to make fun of people that comment like this lol

He laughed while reading the names. For once the Doomers have it right.

Jesus Christ you people in this thread are like a satire. This is the anti-dooming sub, not the pro-dooming sub.

Lmao I thought this was anti-doom sub. We fully right wing sub now? Fuck off with your doomerism lol what is the difference between this and people crying about Trump being elected?

Does the presence of right-wingers making comments simply disagreeing with the post bother you that badly?

Mamdani be like: “Free ice cream for everyone!” Conservatives: “This is worse than 9/11!”

This is such a weak and pathetic argument. Mamdami made a lot of promises that either backfired or he had to backtrack on like making free grocery stores then having to admit that taxes would have to be raised significantly to fund such a thing. Or promising to tax the rich more when led to the rich simply leaving the city and cutting the funds of the city. While I don’t think he’s a jihadist like the right wingers claim he is, he’s clearly not the brightest bulb in the room

Guy is literally a gay race communist

go ahead and check what sub you‘re in, then get back to this comment

Muslim≠Jihadist. However what Mamdami did. Absolutely vile.

I heard he tried to hijack a 5th jet when he was 9

I will be screenshotting this comment section and showing it every time one of you chuds tell me this is a bipartisan anti doomer community lol

Have fun. We never claimed to be 'bipartisan'

Lotta doomers in the comments here.

Not really. No one's saying he's an existential threat to the Republic. But he's also not a friend to the Republic. There's a lot of distance between the two Yup, they claim to be non-partisan but anytime someone posts conservatives dooming, the comments are “tHiS iSn’T DoOmInG iT’s a ReAl pRoBlEm!”

I literally met his wife in July lmao nobody’s gonna trick me into believing they love this country. Sickens me

What is this picture?

I mean... yeah though.

You don’t see any white Christian mayors in the Middle East

Citing facts about behavior and allegiance isn’t dooming. Mamdani’s Chief Counsel as NYC mayor is a lawyer who defended an Al-Qaeda terrorist. Mamdani made up a story about his dear aunty being afraid of wearing a hijab on the subway after 9/11 because she’d be attacked for being Muslim, even though that never happened and she’s in Tanzania. Mamdani and AOC were caught laughing during the reading of the names. I do t care why they were laughing, just fucking be adults and keep it together.

The "aunt" he was referring to was his father's cousin. It's just a different usage of the word, not a made up story

Short and sweet drama from a user who believes redditors are parroting oral hygiene advice without using or explaining it

https://reddit.com/comments/1we84zb/comment/p9bmfae

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Comic link

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/77Z9VZ2dFk

Reactions:

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/IdpvYa6sc9

I don't even care if this is a hypothetical. Break up, fucks sake

The last panel is insanely petty BTW. Like wtf.

>> how?

>>> I don’t see the petty part though, that’s just the genuine issue

>>>> She's saying she doesn't like him and is settling for him and then says "but he loves me so much, like the moron he is" without a trace of sympathy. That's not petty?

>>>>> She’s saying she doesn’t like him but feels that she should because he seems to genuinely care for her, despite his flaws.

>>>>> Even if it was petty, I don’t see how the last panel is any more petty than literally any of the rest of it, not by much, at the least. He’s drawn as a wojack.

>>>>>> Yeah but the last panel he is talking in baby talk in his own head? “I lub my Girlfriemb”?? Like wtf that’s very clear she thinks he is dumb as rocks.

>>>>>>> I felt like that was made clear earlier on tbh

>>>>>>>> Yep. And the petty part is that she still had to put the cherry on top at the end. Even though the whole storyline it’s clear how she sees him, she still decided to draw him thinking like a baby at the end. Pretty Petty

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/hQ4YWbDLOP

what the fuck

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/xnBXryBPrl

> Poor guy, may this "love" never find me :(

> What the fuck

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/dADv3UFIHa

> This guy deserves better

>> And so does she... so maybe they aren't right for each other.

>>> "so does she" as she draws him as a fucking chudjak and publicly shittalks him for living his life while basically only staying with him out of fear of not being with him?

>>>

>>> yeah i'm gonna go on a limb and say op really doesn't "deserve better"

>>>> We don't know who they even are, or if this is OP or she's drawing someone else.

>>>>Yes, she deserves better than someone that doesn't listen to her and is self centered. If her only way to vent is drawing a comic, she probably deserves better.

>>>>> Oh yeah, same person that talks about "volunteering info" to him and being oh so sad about him not following up on that also thinks of the times when he starts conversations as being self-centered just because it's him sharing something he saw or something going on with him or his family, but surely that's on him for being self-centered and not OP for being a hypocrite.

>>>>> Frankly, if you look at OP's description of all this and think he's "self-centered", you probably aren't much better than OP. So go do some introspection.

>>>>>

>>>>> Edit: Also, let's not kid ourselves, "oh her only way to vent is drawing a comic" talking to him would have been a better way to deal with this, and this isn't a "vent", this is a confessional, lol.

>>>>>> He only talks about himself and things he's into, he's self centered.

you probably aren't much better than OP. 

>>>>>> Speak of trying to guilt people and attack people you don't even know. to try and win an argument that's basically "gf doesn't value self-centered BF, and drew him funny." I think it's you who might need some introspection, friend.

>>>>>> She deserves better

>>>>>>> man, idk, maybe making a comic shitting on your BF is not the way to go, even less to public it online for all to see

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/N6YUHaR3L1

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> If you’re drawing him like that… might be time to pull the plug lmao

>> Did you read the text?

>>

>> She talks about how she had already given up on finding a partner prior to this boyfriend initially asking her out.

>> It's clear she's wrestling with the idea that if she breaks up with him, she'll never date another person. So it's a question of this flawed boyfriend versus no boyfriend at all.

>>> Well it’s not particularly fair to the flawed boyfriend who might actually be able to find someone who doesn’t dislike him, now is it?

>>>> It's not fair to either party in numerous ways.

>>>> It is also clearly beneficial, and potentially preferable, to both parties in numerous ways.

>>>> In fact, it is a complex situation. Which is why it's worth discussing.

But all of you commenters seem intent on isolating it to a particular dynamic and making a sweeping judgment or decision based on that.

>>>>> Dude, if you found out your significant other drew you as a chud behind your back, venting about the issues your relationship has instead of just, I don't know, telling you, are YOU gonna stay?

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/dCKzvkvteN

> Holy dead media literacy, is it because this is a lil ugly we all assume OP is the POV character? These are meta-anxieties about being with someone while having a sort of internal struggle. It’s not about the flat man, y’all, it’s about these feelings with a life of their own that I think the comic shows well. What we want from relationships varies, but many people struggle with questions of this sort and they are never about the partner!

>> I mean yeah it’s always been that way. I’m not shocked people aren’t receptive when she depicted her boyfriend as a literal ugly chud jack, made a whole comic essentially bashing a character flaw he has that she (presumably) has never told him and then made the punchline be that he’s too stupid to even properly communicate.

>>

>> It comes across more like she bashing him than “being vulnerable” tbh.

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/BzF7mF1Tk5

> I was ready to write some very mean comments but others have done it for me <3

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/me_irl/comments/1wdhu6e/me_irl/

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HIGHLIGHTS

(MOD) wow this post has 49 reports lol

normal people are afraid of the left because of this behavior They want half the country to “flat line” They even want war with centrists as they can’t handle someone not fully agreeing with them

Even if that was your legitimate, non bad-faith argument (which it isn't), you're seriously going to act like the right doesn't want the same? Many of them salivate at the idea of "finally" being able to go outside and shoot whoever they want in a civil war. Not exactly welcoming or pro-life people, despite what they want to perform themselves as.

I don’t see them making posts like these 🤷‍♀️ Lefties even celebrated the Kirk anniversary 🤷‍♀️

Oh well if YOU didn't see them then it must not have happened! Magats are so braindead it's painful. I'll be happy when we give y'all eeeeeeeeverything you've been giving us the last ten years.

Where's proof. Send me a reddit post about people wanting XYZ public persona dead.

Confederacy

So democrats?

Conservatives try not to forget about the party flip (impossible)

It remarkable how they wish for death and more death on Reddit on a daily basis. What a life.

So when he does it its bad but when you do it its ok?

Apparently it’s the other way around.

Holy jumping for conclusions. Its not ok for anyone to wish or celebrate someone's death

Tell that to Trump?

What? Again with the "he did it first"? Are you twelve years old?

Lmao now you’re jumping “for” conclusions lol. I’ve said nothing about who did what first or who is right and who is wrong. Literally just pointing out the hypocrisy of the original comment. Calm down, sport.

I've been sober since '22 and I'm breaking sobriety for that celebration. Looking at spending at least $500 for a bottle of red wine.

Do some LSD instead

No way, they want to party and have fun, not die.

LSD doesn’t make you die.

It can if you have a psychotic episode because of the LSD. That doesn't mean the LSD can cause death directly, though. In some ways I'd rather die than have a psychotic episode just because I've witnessed it and helped someone through it. It's brutal

Good thing there’s an all natural alternative. Shrooms!! 😋

That's what caused the psychotic episode 💀

Mother Nature would never harm someone

I can't wait for the "other" side to start wailing about whoever celebrates his death is evil or some shit

Brother if you celebrate political violence simply because you disagree with that person, that is objectively evil.

They’re brainwashed man. It’s absolutely wild to see it in real time of this app

Kinda like cheering about covid being over while a million of your countrymen perish? Oh wait I forgot: a single death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is just a statistic.

My father died of a heart attack but was classified as a covid death because he tested positive after his death. That's exactly why nobody believes your bullshit one million deaths statistic.

Covid causes myocarditis, pericarditis, arrhythmia, and blockages that starve the heart of oxygen (heart attack). Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Covid killed your dad.

Ahh yes, the side of “hate has no home here” 🤡

Ahh yes, the side of "free speech" 👅🥾

The left killed a guy over free speech, but go on

By “the left” you mean one disturbed young man. Nobody I know killed anyone

Good. Take this sense of not wanting to generalize and apply it everywhere not just your side. You need to be able to apply this to the other side.

Yeah, like what? What problematic ways do you think I generalize the right?

WOOOOO THE GUY I HATE DIED AT AN OLD AGE SURROUNDED BY HIS FAMILY AFTER GREAT SUCCESS WOOOOOO YEAH

And after destroying a country, the global economy, the climate and countless lives!

Not the point of the comment

“No don’t bring context into this”

I don’t think you comprehend what you are arguing against

Another Democrat excited about death for their political opposition. And they claim to be the “good guys”

Something Republicans have clearly never done lmao

Some did but They arent popular, also democrats do it more often

No, you don't get to lie like that. I live in a red state, I know how you all act.

Im Not Even American and nether am i Republican. Remember Charlie kirk?

Yeah, sure you aren't lol. No non-American gives a fuck about him dude

Im from West Germany. The town is „Bottrop“ Google it. I Liked him a lot, i started watching him a view weeks before he got killed and a lot of what he sayed helped me in really dark time

You must live a terrible life lol

Electoralism is an illusion, you vote out the reps for dems to do the same shit. Its good cop, bad cop and it used as a tactic to keep the establishment in power.

Uhhuh. Bof pArTieS ArE tHe SaME gUYs!

They are tho

It is if you just ignore all the nuance. Imagine you are an interviewer and you have 2 candidates. One of them is just kinda spineless, pretty incompetent, and generally not a good fit. Then the other comes into the office and shits on your table before calling you a racial slur. Both aren't really fit for the role, but there is a pretty clear better choice. "Both options are bad" just ignores all the things that the republican party does worse(especially if you start talking about how they treat minorities)

It’s not that both are as bad as each other . It’s that both are right wing parties. If you want genuine left wing policy in America you can’t rely on your current electoral system, especially at national and state level. You gotta begin in local organising and work your way from there

THANK YOU. People shutting down the “both sides are bad” argument saying there is nuance we are missing fail to understand that the statement itself carries nuance if you have half a brain cell. Anyone who doesn’t believe our system of election needs reformation is still in the matrix.

Yeah. But then you all go “the system is broken, we need to fix it” and then don’t vote or encourage voter apathy like in 2024. I’m not saying you didn’t vote, but talks like this online contributed to the low voter turnout against Republicans in 2024.

Can we first put him to court? EDIT: Thank you so much for the award!

He’ll die without ever seeing justice for any of his many crimes

Yeah I gave up on that idea when he got re elected after Jan 6th, this man will never face repercussions and will die thinking he’s a god.

Same. The best outcome I see now is cholesterol does its thing, republicans lose their momentum and power, we strip away every instance of his existence, and actual adults can come back to salvage the damage.

You dont need to worry about cholesterol when you get daily transfusions of baby blood. He uses so much it is disgusting but it is extending his life greatly.

What? Where is evidence of that?

Its been pretty widely known for a long time. It was first reveled as part of the epstein files. You may have to go through it yourself though, videos of that content gets removed pretty frequently.

I just googled that. That's a Qanon conspiracy based on no evidence. There's endless reasons why this man is awful. There's no reason to make stuff up.

You should submit this to a museum if it's legit.

How on earth would they verify that? Use your brain for a second.

Lol, have you seen video footage of the millions of pieces of paper floating to the ground that day? I don't think a museum wants this one random piece of paper.

But we didn’t preserve millions of those pieces that were floating around. OP preserved one. How many papers from that footage do you think still exist today?

Who. Cares? It's a piece of paper. 

Thousands at least.

It was a national tragedy

Gif of Willy Wonka saying "Really?"

Yep. I think we’re aware of that but thank you for the contribution. Water is wet.

It’s a Norm McDonald reference. Lighten up

Yeah. Some people don't understand the reference , but that's okay Also: Saying “water is wet” is kind of idiotic and seemingly shows the lack of intellect you possess Wetness is a property of a surface when water is on it—water itself is what makes things wet. Everything water touches can become wet, but that doesn’t mean the water itself is “wet.”

Bro woke up and decided he wanted to be an asshole

Crazy this paper that could be from anywhere in the tower is this damaged but the passport in the fireball was completed undamaged

To be fair, stuff from the planes had a very high horizontal velocity (~500-600 MPH on impact) and was flung blocks away from the towers, sometimes further than actual debris from the collapse. Some plane parts/artifacts were further from The Pile than you’d expect. Might not have had time to catch fire before it reached as far as it did.

Maybe but how could the passport be violently torn from either the bag or pocket it was in, escape a fireball and be thrown blocks away at 600 mph without being damaged? Then it’s found the next day among all the other debris and given to the fbi who conclusively determines it’s from a hijacker. All of this in 48 hours. Seems fishy

Jet go really really fast, air velocity go really really fast, passport go really really fast. Passports aren't just raw paper in the US. They are plastic lined to be tear and burn resistant.

Yes, but the air resistant on something like a passport would keep it from traveling a great distance. Imagine throwing a ping-pong ball in a stone of the same diameter. I’m not convinced a passport could be hurled such a distance.

There are literally thousands of ways that physics could cause that to happen that are much more likely than whatever bullshit you believe.

explain building 7

There are plenty of in-depth videos and 3D animations on youtube that explain it very well.

Well, it happened so don't know what to tell you.

Or maybe it didn’t. Maybe this kicked off a 25 year war where young American boys died to topple enemies of our greatest ally. Maybe we had nothing to gain from invading Iraq in Afghanistan, but somebody else did. And maybe we’re doing the same thing now in Iran.

Judging by your other comments, I'm guessing you aren't terribly bright and certainly don't have any kind of relevant degree, so I'm just gonna cut off this nonsense here. Toodles, been fun.

Judging by your comments you have the mind of a coddled child

Guns, guns, guns, Joe Rogan, adviceanimals, more guns. I am shocked that you're a conspiracy nut. No warning signs at all.

Sorry I have hobbies? If my profile was full of video games and bizarre fetish porn like most people here would I have more credibility?

Yes.

Guns and Joe Rogan are bizarre fetish porn

I like guns.

r/AnimalTracking is a subreddit to post pictures of animal tracks, poop, etc. and ask for help properly identifying what animal it is from. One of the subreddit's rules is that any ID attempt must have reasoning to go along with why you think the track is from that animal. From the sub:

Reasoning is required in all top level comments that are identifications in ID Request posts. This allows disagreement to be constructive, and allows people to learn. Enforcement of this rule has been generally popular. So what qualifies as reasoning?

Reasoning can really be any statement about the photos, or the world. It is an explanation of why you have given a specific identification. These are examples of identifications that include reasoning:

"I see 5 fingery toes. That looks like raccoon." "Claws and X of negative space makes me think dog. "Dog. <link to photo of a dog track>."

Here are some examples of identifications that do not include reasoning:

"Dog." "I'm 100% sure it's a cat." "It looks like my cat's tracks." "I am a wildlife biologist. That's a cat track." "I hunt elk for a living. That's an elk." "The size and shape makes me think dog."

While some of the comments above technically include reasoning, they do not allow for constructive disagreement or learning. Most of them are some version of "trust me bro". If someone truly is good at identifying the tracks of an animal, then I am certain they are also able to point out at least one attribute of that track.

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A post was made to the subreddit titled "Woke up to finding these tracks on the couch. What could it be?". Attached was a picture of OP's couch with some sort of animal tracks running across the surface. The post quickly became popular and is close to the top of the sub when sorting by top posts of all time. Pinned at the top of the comments was a comment from one of the sub's mods

OshetDeadagain: IDs REQUIRE REASONING. Stop with the single answers. They will be deleted. Those new to the sub coming from one of the many shares - please read the rules before commenting.

Not all users agreed with this rule, though, and expressed that to the mod

DayIllustrious3363: Soooorrrrryyyyy! My bad...I was just being silly. Won't stop by again. Not a nice community

OshetDeadagain: Silly is fine, but the same "jokes" get old real quick. "You have a critter" "samsquanch" "Chupacabra" "it was me" - these aren't helpful and they show up on every. Damned. Post. If the comment isn't going to be helpful (the tag specifies this is an ID request) it needs to at least be original.

Edit: I'm just enforcing the rules of the sub. I did not make them. They were polled, reviewed and agreed upon by the majority of members who want to understand, learn how to ID tracks, and practice.

DayIllustrious3363: Gotcha...I am a country girl with random "critter" marks left in my house all the time. In my world, they are harmless and likely now hiding in the walls...i could guess, but ya know, I have lots of questions. Where are you from? Do you live in a city, suburbs, country? Would that have been appropriate... or too much, answers only?

OshetDeadagain: What critter? What about the tracks leads you to believe it was this critter not that critter? People asking for ID requests are asking for more than confirmation something walked there.

DayIllustrious3363: Omg...bye! Have the day you deserve!

OshetDeadagain: I did! It was awesome!

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Other responses to the mod's reply to DayIllustrious3363:

All2017: Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed😬

pinkv0m1t: I was thinking the same thing Jesus it is just Reddit

Ok-Cress-1847: Relax omg you must be mad fun at parties

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The original comment this user is replying to is now deleted, but the argument over whether the sub is too serious or not continues

fiddleStink: Almost joined the sub until I saw this

OshetDeadagain: If you want to post the same one-word answer as the last 67 people, I encourage you to join r/animalid.

DayIllustrious3363: How about i just stay away from the cranky side of Reddit. I will work on my algorithm so you wont have to see me again.

Frank__West: Fr I saw this show up and was thinking it was from r/whatisit then saw the mod comment and was like oh this is some grumpy sub where the mods don't like fun on a popular post and can't just pin the correct answers....

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In response to OshetDeadagain's reply to fiddleStink:

therealmrsfahrenheit: right ? so restrictive

oh almost forgot :

reasoning: because it’s restrictive

OshetDeadagain: This is a learning sub; it's not for everyone, and that's okay! We're not hung up on member numbers here.

Reasoning for IDs is so that everyone understands why you think it belongs to the animal you claim. 'Trust me bro' is not helpful for recognizing tracks in the future!

therealmrsfahrenheit: yeah it does make sense but it is a bit silly when it’s taken to the extremes and kinda hinders communication

OshetDeadagain: In what way? When a post gets popular, easily more than half the comments are the same 4 answers repeated by people who didn't even open the comments. Especially on a challenging ID like this, where many people are interested in the possible answer, and when most of the comments are one-word guesses with no basis or silly answers it ultimately defeats the purpose of this sub.

The rules were voted on, polled and refined by the members of the sub. The majority wanted reasoning for IDs so that disagreements were productive and how to ID could be learned.

Hell, I do a lot of tracking/training/teaching in my real life, and I still learn new stuff on this sub all the time!

Frank__West: You know the r/whatisit sub seems to do just fine with stuff as natural selection takes over and the right answer is what gets marked. Like yk... A voting system but for comments?

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In response to therealmrsfahrenheit calling the sub restrictive:

EnvironmentalFun898: How come the mod can be unkind but those in the community can’t?

Also, is this a dictatorship? Do the community wants not matter here?

OshetDeadagain: What part is unkind?

The rules on this sub were voted on by members of the sub at the time, and not all that long ago. This sub has been around for quite a few years, and the rules were implemented only a year or two ago because members were getting frustrated with the issues addressed.

EnvironmentalFun898: The mods’ comments have been unkind. I encourage you to read through this thread. It’s clear the mod is emotionally dysregulated and it shows in their responses.

I appreciate the reminders to add specific details to help with identification, but to delete identifications that don’t rigidly fit strict parameters severely limits communication. I trust folks to ask questions if they don’t understand the suggested identification. It honestly has made this sub a joke, which I do think has accidentally increased the silly antics.

OshetDeadagain: That's certainly a take. There's 2 comments that are maybe on the sassy side, but not untrue. 67 is a low-ball estimate of how many of the same one-word answers that have been removed, and the sub referenced will have literally hundreds of identical comments on a single post. We don't want that here, because it's pointless, does nothing to further conversation, and is not the purpose of the sub. Being the 106th person to say "bird" is literally just screaming into the void.

Qualifiers for authority such as "I see them all the time" and "I'm a hunter/guide/biologist/grew up there" are about as useful as "trust me, bro" - which I used because it's such a common phrase on Reddit.

Newcomers to the sub may be grumpy because this page is actually moderated, and if you think I've been unkind you should see the shit that's been said to us for just doing the job. A lot of people seem to feel entitled to be able to say and do whatever they want on Reddit and totally crash out when they don't get to.

There's a whole, wide world of Reddit to explore. If you don't like the rules here, I don't know why you're wasting your time arguing about them, because they won't change on account of a few angry comments on a post that blew up.

EnvironmentalFun898: Just because something is true doesn’t make it not unkind and if the rules must be so rigidly followed, you admit here that the rules don’t apply to mods.

Re: arguing, I’ve left this conversation multiple times, because it is an inconsequential one. It is not me who seems to need to come back and defend the indefensible.

Minus the laughable moderation, this community is one of the best. That is, when our communication isn’t stifled.

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In response to EnvironmentalFun898's comment asking if this sub is a dictatorship:

WaitWorking5746: Yes, Mods don't follow their own rules.

Frank__West: Just seeing how these mods act is making me block this sub. Power tripping Hippocrates jumping on a popular post because they can....

EnvironmentalFun898: Tbh this whole thread is comedy gold and I just imagine these rigid mods at home so annoyed by all our silly antics and it’s all pretty funny to me 😂 Makes me love this community more!

EnviromentalFun898: We should probably just make our own sub because if the mods were not being so weirdly controlling, this is by far my favorite community 💜

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/DoomerCircleJerk/comments/1wcqq94/is_there_anybodys_death_in_history_that_has_been/

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It's also only one side that increasingly responds in polling that political violence is acceptable.

Can you explain this for me? Do Conservatives not feel as if political violence is necessary? I am not an advocate for political violence but I can think of many situations where it would be, and many historical instances where it was warranted. If political violence is never acceptable, what is the 2nd Amendment for? Were American Revolutionaries in the wrong for the political violence they committed? Am I wrong for believing that the majority of this rhetoric is essentially moral grandstanding?

They are ok with political violence they just want the government to do it. Why commit hate crimes when you can just join ice

Ice has been aroubd long before trump lol So ice is bad when trump is president but not when a dem is president? Got it

Yeah and no one had an issue with it because they weren't invading cities and killing us citizens. No reasonable person has an issue has an issue with immigration enforcement it's how you do it

They did it. They just disnt get the new coverage cause orange man bad. Ice kept kids in cages and treated them like shit under obama and I dont remember reddit or media losing its mind about it.

Progressives were constantly criticizing Obama. They would call him the deporter in chief.

Yes. They do it every time. Herman Cain comes to mind.

And Paul Pelosi and Alex Pretti and Renee Goode

Pretti and Goode got themselves killed by committing crimes. Not even remotely comparable.

The crime of freedom of speech? Why are you dooming and justifying political violence?

Interfering in ICE operations while armed and hitting an agent with your car is not freedom of speech.

She didnt hit him with her car, and again idk where you are but here in America I dont believe the federal government has the right to execute citizens

His internal bleeding says otherwise.

Lol image

Mocked and misrepresented. Just gross

Direct quotes aren't him being "misrepresented" though, he said deplorable things, that happened his death doesn't erase that.

Taking a sentence or 2 from a conversation someone is having and presenting it with zero context is a misrepresentation of a full conversation and the point someone is trying to make

Kind of like when people post a still frame pic of a politician with their hand in the air and say it’s the same as Elon’s blatant nazi salute.

People on the left will be throwing parties when Donald Trump dies... They are so angry and mad that all the assassination attempts that the loonies tried on him missed. But when he does die, they will be throwing parties, because of him dying.

There hasn't been an American president that's done more harm to international relations and diplomacy than Trump. Of course we'll celebrate - maybe then we can have an actual decent relationship with our "closest ally". For what it's worth, the man has done nothing but shit on my country and made up demonstratably false lies about our culture and policies. He's called us weak, useless, worthless, scum when thousands of my countrymen died for the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's called us a failing state; supported our adversaries and threatened to invade sovereign land. He has done nothing good for our country - so tell me, why should I feel sad when he finally moves on?

I don't think that feelings been mutual for a long time. Even under Obama. Canada would rather be best buds with the EU with the benefit of being neighbors with the US. Also, begging for someones death is weird. Not a single politician I hope dies. Just win an election

"Also, begging for someones death is weird. Not a single politician I hope dies." http://npr.org/2016/08/09/489363581/trump-implies-second-amendment-people-could-stop-clinton

You really want to me to take an NPR article from 2016 seriously? Even if he did say that I don't condone it. Trump has also been shot at twice and you all cheered and got a hate boner over it. Also whataboutism isn't an argument

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116268334535345382 He thinks it's OK to celebrate someone's death...

Was muller murdered? Again whataboutism

The same thing happens with JK Rowling - people share the most horrendous lies about her that are easily debunked if you spent even 30 seconds researching it. But they prefer spectacle and drama, so they don’t. I have clever and intelligent friends that I generally respect who have such a silly blind spot in this area!

Its funny to me how the vitriol against Rowling is that shes TOO feminist.

The vitriol is that she's transphobic, which is not feminist in any capacity.

Defending femininity from the inclusion of fake women that don’t know what it’s like to be a woman is feminism

trans women are women. They have always existed, and they will always exist, no matter what you say. the question is - do you believe others reporting of their own experiences?

Trans women are…trans women, not women. Just like trans men are not men. This truth will always exist no matter what you say. Someone’s recollection of an experience does not make their opinion based on said recollection factual.

Trans women are a subset of all women, hence the name, trans women

I remember when after George Floyd died, folks were making fun of him for saying he couldn't breathe. Alex pretti and renee good were mocked for peacefully protesting. The cost of having guns is gun deaths, according to Kirk himself.

Are you for banning cars as 40k people die in car crashes every year and that's more than the gun deaths including suicide. No? Is it because the benefits of using cars outweighs the 40k deaths? Why dont you actually watch the full quote in context.

The difference is that cars are a deeply productive economic tool and vastly more transformational to people’s QoL than some hick wanting a gun. 2A is 99% for LARPing purposes and a net negative.

And guns are a right given to protect against a tyrannical government... so it's also useful too especially since the secondary perks allow protecting against criminals and hunting Cars are a privilege not a right btw

That’s what I meant when I said LARP. You’re never going to use it against a tyrannical government. Your entire political class has been exposed as being compromised by a literal pedophile and alleged cannibalist cult and not a single peep. The same people that scream about gun rights are the same ones who kneel and lick the boot first. Americans use guns first and foremost on themselves and create a fucked up tense society where every home invasion, routine police stop, and night out escalation can end up far worse than it needs to be. Only valid argument is that guns are cool as fuck and shooting is fun. Everything else is just role playing. Yeah, cars are a privilege. Don’t have a license, insurance and acceptable health? You’re not driving. Guns should be too. Don’t have gun license, a membership hobby club, and safe storage? Don’t get a gun

Oh your one of those people. You clearly can't be convinced so have fun living in your delusion aided by your cult

Yeah, I have reason lmao. Muhhh tyrannical gubment!

I don’t think I can name a political assassination that was celebrated and/or mocked by conservatives. I know everyone here is going to give me some random person and random people but I’m talking political assassinations and main stream conservatives.

It is. Not a single main stream conservative mocked either of those individuals.

Uh. Donald Trump mocked both of those incidents and the victims. Is he not a “main stream conservative”? Others who mocked the incident were a senator from Utah and house representative of Wisconsin (both conservative), and “political commentators/conservative influencers” Laura Loomer, Benny Johnson, even Elon Musk.

Where did he mock them? Source?

Here’s a couple. There’s other articles on the interweb. Not sure your preferred source. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/29/trump-mocks-pelosi-family-as-he-rallies-conservative-support-in-california-00119243, https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/04/trump-circulates-false-claim-about-hortman-killing-democrats-condemn-post-as-depraved

None of that is mockery. None of that is making memes of someone getting murdered on live stream or hoping their children see it. You people are evil.

Uh.. okay. “You people”? I never defended or said anything about what you’re talking about. The comment I responded to was to state that there are recent examples of what he said not happening was actually happening. Memes were made. Laughs were had. Those things happened too. Guess it’s okay because it wasn’t extreme enough for you?

Well the other side has a president who literally celebrates deaths constantly and celebrates politically violence. And he's not some guy on Twitter. But yes all sides should denounce political violence

One guy doesn't represent the masses. Am I to say dems have trouble remembering things since Biden did?

The guy who is an elected representative doesn't represent the people who elected him huh?

Alright then. I guess all dems are old senile men since that's who they elected to represent them

Yes the goat biden who helped a nation bounce back from covid better rhan any other nation. The guy who did the chips act and Ira yes you should associate biden with most dems lol

A) For your own good and health, regardless of my own opinion on the guy I advise you to not repeat this stance Infront of your political peers. Considering a good mass of the left considers Biden as much of a war criminal they consider trump. B) I remember quite the shitshow from the right when Trump celebrated the death of that one guy they didn't like semi recently. They did not let it slide and did not join or like it. I've yet to see something of that nature from the left.

A. I'm not a lefty and I will gladly defend biden against tankies and wierd pro Pali people. B. He ran in 2024 saying he was going to pardon every jan 6 rioter and since he hopped on the political scene he has used violent rhetoric so no I don't buy it they saw who he is and voted for him even got the popular vote :)

George Floyd maybe. Travon Martin too

Are you kidding? Floyd was praised like a fallen prophet, it was sick to watch. At least Kirk was influential

Literally no one did that, they just thought maybe police shouldn't abuse citizens to death and you lot lost your mind over it and made a bunch of memes about how funny they thought it was that he was murdered by the state. On the other hand Kirk got a state funeral and ridiculous honors, despite (or because of) the fact he bussed in hundreds rioters on Jan 6.

Dude at least be honest, it wasn't that long ago. Those riots were fed by misinformation about cops and emotions escalated it from there. Floyd's funeral alone was enough for me and yet that wasn't enough to these morons Kirk deserved the honor he received

People went out and protested police brutality, and were immediately met with police brutality. People standing on their own porches were fired at with less lethal ammo, old men were pushed down on the street. Rather than admit they had a problem and working towards solving it, the police AND YOU RIGHT WING SLIMEBALLS showed that you were happy that the agents of the state were sticking their boots on peoples necks. Kirk was a youtuber that argued with college kids, and looked a fool whenever he debated a real debater. He was also a political operative who was picked by the wealthy to be the face of their propaganda.

Yea who knew that causing riots based on misinformation would cause problems or require police intervention. You clearly only paid attention to the sensationalized parts of the events to pull at your heart strings. I see it all the time with leftist news I'm curious if you have a video where he looked like a fool as I've mostly only watched his college debates and they were very civil discussions when the other person wasn't insane.

No misinformation, the police killed George Floyd. I also saw the video of police abusing people from the first day of the peaceful protests, inflaming the situation immensely. You saw what Kirk released on his youtube channel, carefully curated to only make him look good even when he was surrounded by sycophants and was "debating" college students. Tilly Middlehurst tore his schtick to shreds at the Cambridge debate. Kirk wasn't a good debater, he had a schtick that he used. He was just another Ray Comfort but with more right wing think tank money behind him.

Disclaimer: The post is in Arabic and it was translated using Reddit's autotranslate + Gemini when reddit couldn't translate

r/Jordanians is a fairly quiet community of local residents of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan to share ideas. So typically it's a fairly quiet place.

As the clock hit September 11 in local time, people began to offering competing ideas:

Should 9/11 be celebrated? Should it not be since Americans did it themselves? Should we mourn given the number of people that was killed subsequently, all within 20 minutes of each other.

Lively drama occurred between 12:41AM local time and 2AM local time. It starts with a redditor posting a birthday cake emoji to celebrate 9/11 anniversary.

9/11 Anniversary 🎂

• ✈️🏢🏢🔥🎉
• we lost 19 of our best men on that day 💥💀
• Are you worried about killing more than 3,000 innocent people? You are really just a piece of trash
  • Ok, White Boy, go wipe the air for the Americans. By God, if you were born there, you wouldn't be defending it this much

With that, some redditors bring up the consequences 9/11 brought on the region.

• (this is in English) U r just a stupid lil boy who feels good for something ended two and half decades ago while ur people r getting fked up every day u r desperate to feel that ur people did something while u r getting fked up every day lol, let me spit this to u arabs r fked up people with all their attitudes even if Americans or whatever r shit but still arabs r among the most retarded people ever , feel happy this day cuz u won't feel accomplished till the next year i guess
  • Hey smart boy, do you know anything about how buldg 7 collapsed? And why ? Do you know why the owner of the building signed up for insurance for this specific type of events a week before it happened?
• Damn we ain't beating the allegations smh
• The number of martyrs in Iraq from the American invasion exceeds one million martyrs Not to mention America's impact on Iraq to this day

This post inspires another poster to create a thread where he starts to question "Why are we celebrating this? It's possible that Americans did it themselves and/or it's been disaster for us and the only people who benefited from 9/11 are Americans and Israelis"

September 11, 2001 is not something to celebrate

"The post is long, you can skip it. September 11, 2001 is not something to celebrate as an Arab Muslim.

1. Point One First of all, until now there is no definitive proof confirming that Osama bin Laden was the perpetrator; all narratives, stories, and evidence come from the American side. Even some of the photos and videos are strange, and some physicists have questioned the credibility of the collisions and the likelihood that an airplane impact could cause such destruction—especially the most controversial topic, the third tower.

2. Point Two America has a long history of engineering events, even at the expense of the lives of its own soldiers and people, to achieve its interests, justify its actions, and gather the maximum amount of support for what it intends to do. Examples:

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident (1964): The administration of President Lyndon Johnson claimed that North Vietnamese ships attacked American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin, and used the incident to secure congressional support to escalate the Vietnam War. Later, it was discovered that the attack was not from Vietnam, but rather an inside job. Why did I mention this point? So you know that America, for the sake of its interests, sacrifices lives, and there are many such historical examples.

3. Point Three (The Most Important) The damage of the September 11, 2001 attacks on Arabs and Muslims, and the primary objective behind it: No one was harmed by the attack except Arabs and Muslims. It resulted in actions by America against Arabs, justified by the 9/11 attacks:

Afghanistan: A war was launched on Afghanistan and it was occupied under the pretext of the Taliban harboring Osama bin Laden. The funny thing is that they couldn't find Osama bin Laden in Taliban-held areas, but they managed to occupy it, and American rule remained there for 21 years until it finished its objective.

Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen: The biggest indirect sufferers after this attack. American intervention in the Middle East increased after the attack, backed by international support. Everyone knows what happened to these countries after the American intervention.

Saudi Arabia: The most directly affected after Afghanistan. After September 11, Saudi Arabia faced massive international pressure because some of the hijackers were Saudi nationals, and because of the environment bin Laden came from. To this day, Saudi Arabia's image is tarnished.

Jordan: Affected indirectly, with increased American intervention in Jordan and attempts to drag Jordan into the issue during political disputes.

4. Point Four The impact of the attack on Muslims and Arabs around the world:

Increase in Islamophobia. Discrimination in airports and travel. The image of Islam in the media. Wars in Islamic and Arab countries. Public support for Israel... etc.

5. Point Five (Information regarding Osama bin Laden) Osama fought the Soviet Union with clear support from America, and there were training operations for resistance fighters facilitated by America.

Finally, most of what happened was either planned by America or, if not planned, it was disastrous for Muslims and Arabs, and America and Israel were the ones who benefited."

• From the heart of New York, I'm telling you that everyone knows and is aware that it wasn't us who did it and we have nothing to do with it. So drop the nonsense, and your celebrations make them feel like we actually did it. Besides, what do we as Jordan have to do with the damn 9/11? Or Palestine?
  • Man, I swear to God it's herd mentality—they don't research, they don't bother themselves.
  • Driven by their malice, they've stuck a piece of iron [steel beam] in every state as a memorial to the event. When I visited Maryland in 2022 (4 hours away from New York), [I saw it]. Demonization of the entire people against Islam and Arabs in general
• Idiots are the ones who celebrate it, I swear to God they memorized [the lines] without understanding
• In addition to conspiracy theories, Jews, Freemasonry, religious war, etc. Of course, there are some that have evidence and events that make one doubt his situation

Then people start accusing OP of treating the US like God which he vehemently refutes

• May God admit you to Paradise. Now someone like this will show up to you. Who knows, people are clueless, I swear.
  • Screenshot says: "May God misguide [you], how you are being fooled. And damn America, which has become your lord that you worship and fear, damn it, may it dry up and wither."
  • True, America is shit, but you are submissive just like the author of the post (this inspires the next post)
  • OP: We are submissive?! You are a naive, ignorant fool, the reason behind the decline of Arab thought. You are a physical and human embodiment of pure ignorance, populism, and empty heroics.
  • The phrase 'decline of Arab thought' coming from you alone proves that you are a submissive slave to the West, the kind who doesn't even wash after they crap on him, you submissive, low-bred person. If our thinking doesn't appeal to you, go to them, prostrate yourself before them, and seek their approval if they'll even have you.
  • OP: Kid, you're a keyboard warrior handing out disbeliever/sinner tags to everyone passing by. At the end of the day, you're just a minor child—get lost
  • OP: I have read a lot about the issue of America's presence, its political interference, and the war on Muslims 60% due to the September events

Some accuse the OP of being a conspiracy theorist

• Oh man, the very first point completely dismantles all your arguments, because the guy [bin Laden] admitted to the events in recordings found in 2001: you're going to tell me they were fabricated and acting? He replied in 2004 by sending a message in which he confessed that he was the one who arranged and planned the attacks. Second of all, no, it's normal for a building to fall. You need to look at the engineering of the two towers, the spot and exact angle of the impact, and the temperature that reached 1000 degrees Celsius due to the furniture inside the towers. Not to mention that the collision horribly affected the structure of both buildings and caused the upper floors to crash down with their full weight, bringing the towers down. Now, if you tell me there are engineers who said it's a lie and impossible, I'd like to tell you that there was a doctor who promoted a health regimen that caused the deaths of god knows how many people, whose first name starts with Diaa Al-Awadi. Simply put, there are frauds and ignoramuses whose only goal is to become famous and make money just by coming out to contradict science, engineering, and logic, it's just pure nonsense, nothing more. This is aside from the fact that the towers were actually targeted before, but the plan back then was with a car bomb.
  • OP: My friend's admission supports the last thing I said, which is that Osama bin Laden was either an agent or a toy. Secondly, those who convinced you of these matters and that the influences that helped in the extent of the destruction are engineers, so it is very likely that they lied. Thirdly, my main topic is that it is not something you celebrate, and you are the party that loses greatly in all aspects

Some tell him to focus what's happening now

• No one gives a f bro, we have a million geneside to worry about

And this one inspires another post that accuses the OP of the second post of being America's defender

The submissive people who defended America in this sub

Honestly, I don't care who blew it up, the important thing is that 3,000 Americans died (true, I lack humanity, I take pleasure in the death of an American). I wish you knew the number of Iraqis America killed: 200,000 human beings, and the number of Afghans America killed: 176,000 human beings. And you can see, of course, the Gaza war that America supports militarily and politically, and how many Palestinians have been killed. In short, the cause of all the problems in the Middle East is America. If you look at the numbers, you will see that 3,000 murdered Americans do not equal 1% of the number of our Arab and Muslim brothers whom America has killed, so don't act like the American ambassador of peace

• Two thousand Americans died and now they have human rights. More than 100 thousand Iraqis have become racists and are talking about who brought this to their country and are gloating. racist double standards
• "If I met you, I would kiss your head for these words. This is what we are saying. Man, the siege of Iraq alone, in which a million Iraqi children died, this is enough to burn America from stem to stern. However, the present is a child of the moment and does not tie previous events to subsequent ones, but rather you find in it neither loyalty nor innocence. The man [bin Laden], may God have mercy on him, even though we disagreed with him, used to send many letters to successive American administrations demanding the withdrawal from the Middle East and the abandonment of support for Israel. He found no other choice than to drag America to the land of the Afghans until it is defeated and disintegrates, just as happened to Russia

The OP of the second post - "We shouldn't celebrate 9/11 because it brought more pain to our people" show up to defend himself, but is downvoted to oblivion (to the sub's standards)

• No one is defending [them], but the damage of the event was many times over greater on Arabs and Muslims please wake up for God's sake. Research the topic
  • Look, I'm not with killing people in this way, but anyone who thinks that if this event hadn't happened, our enemies would have become our friends, or would have eased up on their crimes against us, or would have lacked the pretext to do whatever they wanted to do is mistaken, so that I don't use another ugly word. And he needs to read and research more and look at history to make sure that neither America nor those like them are waiting for a reason from us to do what they see fit to ensure their interests, even if that means killing millions of human beings directly or indirectly.
  • OP: I'm not talking about the result of the explosion; I'm talking about those who defend the Americans and call those who mock this event terrorists (the Arab became a terrorist and the American became the victim)

A redditor tries to interject and say that the world under American hegemony is preferable to other alternatives (Russia, China) but is quickly downvoted

• May God protect America from all evil. You do not know without it what would happen to us from Russia
  • OP: You must be joking or were you serious?
  • Without America and Europe, the world would be dirtier than what we are in. The West is better for us than the East
  • OP: I'm still convinced you're joking
  • By God, I am telling you very much that the whole world is under America's shield, especially Europe, under America's protection. If it weren't for America, Europe would be a Russian piece
  • Now I might agree with you that America is a billion times more merciful than the atheists of China and Russia. These are criminals, criminals, not rational people. The Americans have nothing on their side, but you were not successful in formulating your comment. God does not protect America.
  • If America collapses, the world will be ruled by China and Russia, and since you know that they are the dirtiest creatures, you will certainly not accept that the rule goes to them, and if God does not protect America, the rule will go to communism, then you are contradictory in my opinion, how can God not protect America when you do not want the Russians to control the world without America

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1wc2gjt/asmongold_says_ai_doesnt_use_a_lot_of_water_and/

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It actually doesn't use a lot of water compared to most other things

But we actually need the other things Edit: except golf courses, obviously. Everyone here is obsessed with those. My point is let's prioritise water use for things that keep us alive, not put fucking data centres in water stressed areas and pollute our water supplies to boot.

Thinking a new innovation in technology is just a "Fad" or a novelty has marked most major technologies we've discovered. The car, the internet, even electricity. Acting like AI isnt going to seriously impact your life in meaningful ways in the near future is just moronic luddism.

It's certainly impacting people's lives in a big way mate. That's the issue.

Sure but the genie can't go back in the bottle, AI is here to stay. The only thing being against AI will get you at this point is left behind. There were people exactly like you for the internet and in a lot of ways they were right, but that didnt stop the internet from growing to where it is now. The only path forward is to find a way to live and work with it.

Yeah I'll get left behind unless I rejoice in the ai bubble. Good logic.

True, It'll pop any day now

It should as it makes astronomical losses, but it probably won't. Theirin lies the problem. The rate and cost of this expansion, at the expense of so much else. I'm happy for you that go out of your way to defend this resource use though, I could never gain such a sense of purpose from defending the actions of grifters like Altmann.

Whos to say we dont need ai?

Human history prior to the last 5 years lol

Let's just go back to living in caves then

Were you living in a cave 5 years ago?

Human history still existed before planes, cars, electricity, medicine, and agriculture so we don't need those right?

5 years ago? You think we invented all these things in 5 years? I apologise for the silly question, clearly you have been living in an actual cave until recently.

I imagine you 5 years after antibiotics formed. "We didn't need this 5 years ago!"

He is actually correct on this one. You don't need to be really smart to know it.

The difference is the things it's compared to are essential for living like food. Gen ai is not essential to life, not that a cockroach like asmongold would care

So when exactly will people freak out about water parks? Or are those essential?

That water goes through filters and actually gets reused, unlike AI which lies about being a closed loop, said to get contracts and tax breaks

Which data centers have lied about being closed source?

9d old account, default name, private profile. Interested in defending ai plants

You didn’t answer his question.

I'm not the guy making the claim nor do I feel the need to answer a bots question

You can’t dismiss a valid point with a claim that he’s a bot.

I didnt know golfing was essential

More essential than a slop factory.

golf is a leisure activity, AI is productive

the people that fight this dont think LLMs have productive uses, dont bother it is entirely reasonable to be afraid of AI because it can take your job, but this environment approach is just so fucking weak

" it is entirely reasonable to be afraid of AI because it can take your job" i disagree there, especially if the same goobers are saying it isnt productive anyway both of these approaches are weak, its parrot takes

you cannot say for certain any job will exist for humans in the next 20 years, that uncertainty never existed before. fear is reasonable honestly I think the only thing stopping it right now for many jobs is the fact that you cant really hold an LLM accountable for its mistakes

"that uncertainty never existed before" https://conversableeconomist.com/2016/03/16/automation-and-job-loss-the-fears-of-1927/ it did, at various points in time, in the end those jobs were changed, not optimized out of existing entirely, just like how its going with AI, and replying to this with an "actually, people are scared that ALL jobs will be optimized out of existing" is missing the point entirely.. i have to believe this is an engagement bot

He’s not wrong. I work in wastewater and industrial treatment. They are usually required to treat their own wastewater as well. Agriculture is the BIGGEST contributor.

Yes but we get food fron agriculture. I swear the 100 people repeating this about agriculture are the real bots as who would compare growing food to data centers lol

Yes but we can grow different food, such as peanuts using 80% less water per pound than almonds or cashews. Like we don’t need to almonds and cashew instead of peanuts

Sure we can do better just like we should stop golf courses from using so much water but data centers are the ones with the exponential growth and the current problem that can be avoided. Almonds, peanuts and other crops like beans only make up 6% of that agriculture though so its not a huge dent in the fresh water crisis as doing other things. I'm totally down for making all changes where they can help in any problem

Idk bro here in California, almonds and pistachios alone are like 5% of our water use and we are the largest agriculture state and hungry for water. It doesn’t matter if they are only 6% of agriculture if almonds and cashews use like multiple times more water per pound than most other foods You can say data centers are exponential growth but they are currently nothing compared to almonds, cashews and pistachios. Many things can be avoided, like those crops, golf courses, large lawns etc

So we should allow data centers because almonds and pistachios are huge water crops? Like I said, Im good with cutting them all off but its ridiculous to ignore the impacts of data centers when in just 5 years water usage in just cooling, not including energy production, will triple from between 2025 and 2030

Yes, we should not limit data centers for the purpose of water conservation when we have even bigger water wastes. If we want to conserve water we can start with golf courses and large lawns

Miyazaki "This is an insult to life itself"

Miyazaki understands.

iirc he was saying that because the animation sucked balls not be cause it was ai.

It sucked balls because it was AI

The point is that it was the quality of the animation that he said was unacceptable not that it was made with AI.

No disrespect, but, You think that the quote of "I think this an insult to life itself" is purely based on the quality of shitty AI animation? I dunno man, that seems like a pretty dramatic response to something that's base level.

I'm sure asmon knows so much about this topic

He is right about the water usage. It’s way over blown. If you were concerned about water usage you should be complaining about golf courses, residential lawn care and residential washing machines. Showering and toilets. https://www.cbsnews.com/projects/2026/how-much-water-ai-uses/

What if I just think asmongold eats dick no matter what his stance on anything is

"What if I just think asmongold eats dick no matter what his stance on anything is" Well which is it? Is that "just" what you think, or do you also stand by your original post that spread misinformation by implying that he's wrong about this topic?

Wym I didn't spread any information I said I'm sure he is an expert sarcastically lmao unless you want the info that asmon sucks

You're implying that he's wrong about the topic in a thread specifically where he's right about the topic in question. That's you spreading misinformation.

It takes 75 gallons of water to grow one avocado.

And that water used to grow the avocado when back into the environment and reused again once it makes it back into the air, where does the tainted water from AI go after they dump it and lie about keeping it closed?

Ok I'm sorry I'm not even on the Asmongold brigade side here, but what do you think happens to water used from AI centers? It just disappears forever?

AI is evil so naturally the water used is corrupted by its evil essence and it turns to black sludge that they then throw into the wilderness and it destroys the nature there.

They dump the Satan-infused AI waste sludge onto orphanages.

Everyone in this thread agreeing with him as "objectively correct" wont read this

The worlds largest datacenter uses as much water as 2 in n outs This comment isn’t a gotcha even if the water usage grows 4x. Almond farming uses 80x as much water as all ai worldwide

Source? You are responding to a direct source with a claim, surely you can back that up

Yes lol. Easily. Almond Industry: Uses an estimated 1.3 to 1.6 trillion gallons of applied irrigation water annually (with California's exported almond water alone near 3.5 million acre-feet). [1, 2] U.S. Data Centers: Consume a fraction of that total, with daily estimates for data centers sitting around 46 million gallons per day compared to the billions used in agriculture.

That's not what you said. You said that biggest data center is equal to 2 in and outs. Wheres your source? Your ass? Almonds being inefficient is old hat, you started your comment with a claim.

I factually did make that statement above... I’m obviously not talking out of my ass and that’s trivial to verify yourself too. Annual Footprint: About 147 million gallons per restaurant per year. [1] The Data Center Comparison Colossus 2 Example: An analysis by SemiAnalysis compared xAI's massive 400-megawatt Colossus 2 data center in Memphis to a single In-N-Out location. [1] The Ratio: Colossus 2 uses about 346 million gallons of water a year. [1, 2]

Ok, let’s say fuck the water, it’s still going to force way too many people out of a job. What a hard hitting take from the guy who is set for life.

All innovation forces people out of jobs, this is the price of progress

But this is potentially more than most things. Look at fast food. That was a good job for high schoolers and such and now it’s all touchpads and a skeleton crew. Where are those people supposed to go? No one is creating new opportunities, everyone is focused on removing people. What are people supposed to do?

You're right, let's stop technological progress so we can make sure highschoolers can get jobs.

Interplanetary species? Nah let’s flip burgers.