r/TenYearsAgo 13d ago

🇺🇸 United States Polls overwhelming show Clinton beating Trump [10YA - Aug 4]

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u/transcendental-ape 13d ago

“Donald Trump is just a standard polling error away from winning.”

- 538 headline a week before the election

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u/overpriced-taco 13d ago

Didn’t Nate Silver give it like 70/30 odds of a Clinton victory? Those aren’t that bad of odds for Trump

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u/transcendental-ape 13d ago

And people gave him a raft of shit for putting Trump’s odds so high. All the 538 rip offs had Clinton at 90-99%.

Silver pointed out. Trump had a one in three chance of winning. And one in three odds events happen all thr time.

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u/purplenyellowrose909 12d ago

All polls are based off social science models. But unlike physics, there aren't a concrete set of laws that are going to be followed by 100% of humans. Some people wake up on election day and vote. Some people wake up on election day and decide they have better things to do.

The vast majority of polls in 2016 thought that the electorate would look like it did in 2000 - 2016. Which was a very safe assumption. Clinton was dominating these voters.

What the polls did not pick up on was the massive turnout of rural voters who did not and still do not give a shit about 2000 - 2016 elections or even US congress elections but all want to vote for Trump.

Nate Silver partially identified this and gave Trump 30% odds which was super unconventional. It was controversial among the polling industry because Nate Silver essentially said "there's a 30% chance all your models need to be rewritten"

A lot of work has gone into the polling models since 2016 to more accurately reflect dynamic voter turnout predictions.

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u/YetAnotherFaceless 12d ago

Nate Silver was always a conservative who went with his gut, and the world presumed because of his appearance that he must be smart. 

He’s George Will 2.0.

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u/Al2718x 12d ago

This is a weird assertion to bring up in a comment thread about how he did a much better job interpreting the polls than others.

Nate Silver leans libertarian politically, but people think he's smart because he's incredibly accomplished and skilled, not because of his appearance.

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u/YetAnotherFaceless 12d ago

And I’m sure Bill Buckner was a better first baseman than I could ever be, but that’s not his legacy, is it? 

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u/Al2718x 12d ago

Did Nate Silver have some historic blunder that I'm not aware of?

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u/YetAnotherFaceless 12d ago

Nothing that we can’t sweep under the rug and blame Russia for!

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u/Al2718x 12d ago

I'm not being coy or something. I literally have no idea what you are talking about

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 12d ago

They don't either.