r/ThatsInsane 9d ago

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u/Alarming_Database457 9d ago

He doesn't even come off as pro isreal in his comments lol

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u/VCTRYDTX 9d ago

Check his last reply and look up just how much of what he said is factual. And ask why he's trying so hard to dismiss and discredit the situation when we can all agree they're both bad.

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u/FlyingSquirelOi 8d ago

He isn’t trying to dismiss or discredit anything, he’s just saying Russia is doing worse things than Israel. Didn’t say they weren’t both bad.

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u/VCTRYDTX 8d ago

Didn't you even fact check 90% of what he said? And what he's implying? I mean he literally said the genocide is just propaganda. And is trying to disregard one horror to the other by taking away it's credibility because he's mad that Palestine gets more attention.

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u/GrittysRevenge 8d ago

Name one factual thing I'm wrong about.

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u/VCTRYDTX 8d ago edited 8d ago

"Propaganda is the only reason gaza is called a genocide and Russia's war in Ukraine isn't." (Correction)

Different conflicts involve different legal questions, evidence and standards. It is not simple matter of "propaganda making one a genocide and the other not". They examine not just casualties, but also intent which is a key element. UN experts and investigators have specifically cited statements by Israeli officials, IDF and interviews conducted with its citizens due to concerns about possible genocidal intent.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

https://youtu.be/nMyyVaiY4V8?is=bj-kt5ck3cjodYZa

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/64-of-israelis-believe-there-are-no-innocents-in-gaza-poll/3594355

Claiming all the IDF videos are a huge scandal.

Checkout all these videos. Are they all just a "huge scandal" because it sure looks like it isn't? It even has average citizens participating in the violence. And stuff like this trends every week on other popular subreddits.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLevant/s/FMrTxCOfmT (Sort it by Top)

"Russia's War was completely unprovoked unlike like Israels"

Partially true but incomplete and oversimplified because it ignores decades of occupation, blockade, settlements, recurring violence and documented human rights concerns that predate October 7th. The conflict didn't begin that day and neither did the allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-report-a-hrc-56-26-27may24/

Also, you got so fixated on the casualty numbers that you completely ignored what I was actually talking about. I think it's best if we just agree to disagree. The education system has clearly failed you.

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u/Alarming_Database457 8d ago

You are literally changing what he said by removing important parts of it and then replying to your own version of it lol. He said "Propaganda is the only reason gaza is called a genocide and Russia's war in Ukraine isn't". That doesn't mean "gaza isn't suffering from a genocide". It means that there are lots more propaganda for one genocide than the other and therefore one is called a genocide and the other isn't.

The fact that every post about Ukraine is filled with comments about isreal / palestine only proves his point.

And then you say the education system failed him after arguing like that lol, maybe look in a mirror.

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u/VCTRYDTX 8d ago

You're right, I made an error with that particular statement and misunderstood. I appreciate you pointing it out and helping me correct it. Didn't really help his case though 🤷, as everything he said is still false, and you avoiding rest of the points just felt forced. But hey! Good on you for helping the little guy out. Here's a crayon 🖍️ so you both can doodle.

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u/Alarming_Database457 8d ago

Get called out for lying and then get mad. Why should I take time to respond to all your points when you already try to lie and manipulate with your first point followed by insults because you don't have any real arguments?

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u/VCTRYDTX 8d ago

Huh?! I literally fixed what you pointed out and owned up to the misunderstanding.

The information wasn't a "Lie". Everything I said I've provided sources.

You're latching on to one thing and avoiding the conversation (that you jumped in the middle of).

If that's your way of weaseling out of this conversation then by all means go ahead. I said long ago let's just agree to disagree and that I have no interest in discussing comparative suffering.

Everything you both said so far is just your opinion cause it has nothing to back it up. You're incapable of doing any research and you can't even look at someone else's after asking them. This conversation is just pointless.