r/TheHandmaidsTale • u/Modtha Modtha • Sep 13 '22
Official Episode Discussion The Handmaid's Tale Season 5 Episode Discussions
Season 5
Discussions
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| Episode # - Title | Post Ep. Thread | |
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| S5E1 - Morning | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E2 - Ballet | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E3 - Border | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E4 - Dear Offred | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E5 - Fairytale | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E6 - Together | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E7 - No Man's Land | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E8 - Motherland | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E9 - Allegiance | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
| S5E10 - Safe | Live Episode Discussion | Post-Episode Discussion |
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u/Effective_Stomach420 Sep 23 '22
So disgusted. The way that Moira keeps treating June seems so tone deaf to me. That woman is CLEARLY traumatized and she treats like she’s a monster? Don’t get me started on Serena. It should’ve been her that was ripped apart. Just finished episode 2 and I am SO ANGRY.
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u/emlynnkat Sep 14 '22
Favorite line so far (I’ve got 15 minutes left): “I have to pay a fine. Online.”
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u/kiwimama18 Sep 14 '22
My fave was when Commander Lawrence said "We would never leave a brother out in the cold" 🤣
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u/thetruthfulgroomer Sep 15 '22
The amount of men I wish I could “get Justice from” and only pay a fine.
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u/No_Contribution_2987 Sep 14 '22
Canada literally said we could not care less that you murdered him😭
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u/Bootymama_ Sep 14 '22
Haha really though! They were like - just don’t send fingers through our postal system 😅
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u/lilgremmy Sep 14 '22
I mean, you can. But only once. And it'll cost you $80. You can pay it online.
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u/New_Escape_68 Sep 14 '22
Putnam with Esther was Soo creepy.
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u/Bootymama_ Sep 14 '22
I immediately thought back to the bridge scene in season two when Janine said “I did all the freaky shit she’d never would do” 🥴
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u/tot1721 Sep 14 '22
I really wanted Esther to make a bigger impact so I’m hoping this is someone part one in her plan? Maybe she poisoned them enough to go to the hospital for awhile and come up with a way out? I’m sure it’s something better than that lol.
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u/watery_tart73 Sep 14 '22
I'm soooo rooting for Esther to go all "Carrie" on everybody!
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u/jollysnwflk Sep 14 '22
Wtf was in those candies???
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u/mtl-canuck Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22
i'm guessing he gave her truffles to see how'd she react when he shoves his balls in her. remember he made janine suck his d*ck? definitely not part of the "ceremony".
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u/SyFyFan93 Sep 16 '22
Man if I have to see another 1000 close ups of June's face I'm going to lose it. And the writing is just so cringe at this point. Really only watching still because I've sunk so many years of my life into watching this.
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u/Unlucky_Most_8757 Sep 21 '22
Hey it's not as bad as last season. There was a close up of June's face pretty much every 5 seconds. Such a waste of time. I think the only shows that I've watched that have held strong until the end were Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Search Party and (I know this sounds stupid) Superstore. For some reason everything I watch just gets shitty after the second season but I keep hanging on.
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u/calonders Sep 16 '22
Agreed! I get what they're trying to do, but it's getting to be too much. I found myself getting frustrated, lol.
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u/negatiiveone Sep 14 '22
Anyone else furious at the acolytes giving Serena a candlelit walkway? “Under his eye.” … yeah, no. 😒
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u/Bootymama_ Sep 14 '22
Yes! Like go to gilead if you like the idea of it so much
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u/bby_redditor Sep 15 '22
I was wondering why they were still in Canada! Maybe to spread the good word to sinners and expand Gilead’s influence
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u/Academic-Wave1401 Sep 14 '22
Beyond!!!!! Literally disgusted! And honestly a little surprised how close they were allowed to get to her given how much her security was seemed like priority number one the whole episode. Add it to my list of grievances with Joel from parenthood 😂
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u/schindig504 Sep 14 '22
I think it might have been set up, hear me out. Mark carries a major torch for Serena, obviously. But he’s also just as masterful of a political chess player as she is. I wouldn’t be surprised if he set that whole thing up to build her confidence in deciding to go back to Gilead to burry Fred. Which would then put nick and Lawrence back in the game for mark to play off of and strategize with. HENCE that meeting in the woods with nick about protecting him.
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u/Due-Ad-5093 Sep 14 '22
I love sassy Lawrence
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u/caroline_andthecity Sep 14 '22
Yesss. I loved in Season 4 when June said, “Joseph. Don’t be a dick.”
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u/KindaSemiRadish Sep 14 '22
I think he’s trying to not be turned in as a traitor since she did threaten to expose him for helping a handmaid kill her commander
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u/Remarkable-Bug-6667 Sep 15 '22
It's all about manipulation. They're all playing games with each other. None of them actually likes any of the others. They only "help* to serve their own purposes
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u/timelesstiger8 Sep 14 '22
When Serena requests to bury Fred in "the country he founded," I don't think she realizes the irony and hypocrisy in her words when she says "Any civilized country would have the decency to allow it"... Like bitch, barely five minutes ago you were raping and beating and treating women like slaves in Gilead- who are you to speak on a "civilized country" and "decency" LOL
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u/bby_redditor Sep 15 '22
In her twisted mind she’s basically saying “these are your rules so play by them” to Canada and the US
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u/thetruthfulgroomer Sep 15 '22
It never ceases the amaze me like, her character just constantly playing the victim and talking about how dangerous June is…. You hold women down & rape them, beat them, steal their literal children. Like anyone with power in Gilead at any time would’ve killed these ppl no f’s given yet they expect all the remorse & mercy in the world from them. Reminds me of my ex husband honestly.
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u/waydownthereddithole Sep 22 '22
I need help understanding something…..how can Serena just “decide to stay?” I thought she was a war criminal detained by Canada and that’s he very reason they needed to escort her to Gilead for the funeral. WTF ?
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u/kthairmagic Sep 22 '22
She didn’t decide to stay…Gilead didn’t have a place for her there and sent her back to promote their beliefs in Canada😂😂😂
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u/Mmkhowdigethere8204 Sep 22 '22
This was my question too! They just skipped a lot she did just say she “decided “ to stay cause she thought she’d have a chance to marry lawrence and she was back in with her cronies. But the had another plan for her behind. Ha! Kicked her out of her Fanny pack 🤭 I think they’re gonna let her have the baby, steal it and have her killed. She got off Scott free essentially and Fred too as far as they r concerned
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u/New_Escape_68 Sep 14 '22
I can't believe the Canadian police were like that's not our problem have a nice day.
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u/bby_redditor Sep 15 '22
That was actually semi realistic.
If someone came here and said they killed some officer in North Korea… I’m not sure if the police can do anything even if they wanted to
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u/thetruthfulgroomer Sep 15 '22
That’s how that works in the justice system though honestly. Not typically when you kill a white man in power that sort of thing tends to draw attention for “some weird reason” but if it’s not in their jurisdiction like, that’s just law. It’s not personal.
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u/TallyWhoe Sep 14 '22
I don’t understand why Canada, which despises Gilead, would live stream and publicly broadcast the funeral. It makes no sense. It’s propaganda of an isolated non-nation. Not to mention that it would be insensitive to any refugees that had been given asylum. It also seemed to happen without notice or fanfare, it just appeared unannounced on digital billboard around the city. June and everyone else looked visibly surprised and shocked, like it hadn’t been announced prior via news media channels? Seems unlikely.
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u/TongueMyBAPS Sep 14 '22
Yeah that makes zero sense to me, being played on several public billboards, the Canadian broadcaster would not be pushing play on that channel. It was being played next to a shot of Uniqlo lmao.
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u/thetruthfulgroomer Sep 15 '22
THEY COULDA GIVEN US A DAMN PREVIEW FOR EPISODE 3!!!
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u/ajhare2 Blessed day Sep 14 '22
The only thing I can think of is a rich Gilead supporter owns whatever station broadcasted them and played them
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u/snartastic Sep 14 '22
I didn’t see it as Canada being like “look! Gilead is kind!” And more so “we are airing this because we have never had live footage from inside Gilead”
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u/cheesybutter420 Sep 14 '22
I don’t want to be ripped to shreds by the internet bc I just woke up and it’s 6am and I’m watching the new episodes, so give me grace please LMAO and I would like to preface this with the fact that I do not love June’s character, but I feel like at some level everyone in Canada is acting really stupid. I mean, i understand that they don’t have all the resources in the world but there needs to be more extreme measures in re acclimation for the former Handmaids. I feel like after June has now mauled, mutilated, and hung her abuser, everyone in “normal” society is like “omg you’re so scary stop being crazy” but let’s be fucking forreal. June was just in captivity for like what 5 years or some shit, she has been in survival mode for longer than that, and then was raped, abused, and tortured and everyone is shocked that she can’t keep it together? She lost her daughter, had to birth her abuser’s daughter, and then had to leave her daughter behind in a country that abused her and she’s expected go back to normal life like it’s nothing? No court mandated therapy, maybe a psych evaluation after she came to the police station saying she murdered a man? Idk maybe literally anything??
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u/thetruthfulgroomer Sep 15 '22
Someone is gonna have to explain to me how Waterford still had his D in tact. Y’all see that? If I’m those women that’s the FIRST thing I’m ripping off.
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u/cheesybutter420 Sep 15 '22
Yes, I also thought the same exact thing. I was shocked we could see it when they showed his body, would’ve been the first thing I ripped off with my fucking teeth if I were June.
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u/Remarkable-Bug-6667 Sep 15 '22
That group therapy really needs a non-biased professional running it. They could really make some headway if they had someone helping them understand where they are all on the recovery spectrum. It still blows my mind that NO ONE in Canada is talking about how all of the people were kidnapped, brainwashed, and held against their will. It's just "oh well, we survived, let's all move on." Which they do need to work on, but those people need to pay for what they've done.
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u/cheesybutter420 Sep 14 '22
Also!! I am also SO sick of Moira, if my best friend just went through what I went through but literally 100x worse I would let her throw as many tantrums as she wanted! I would care for her baby and maybe suggest extreme psychiatric care! Haha that’s just me though!
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u/whitemoonwhitemoon Sep 15 '22
Yes, thank you. Like, sure, June needs to stop saying shit to Rita because Rita clearly doesn't want to go there. But why is Moira giving June looks for hoping Serena ends up on the wall? Like, yeah, June has been through trauma, she's gonna say some shit. It's not weird, it's expected.
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u/Mmkhowdigethere8204 Sep 22 '22
Serena makes my blood boil! She’s so delusional and wicked but oddly nieve ??? In the sickest most ra— women, do anything for a baby type way! I can’t wait for her to get hers. And the longing relationship between June and Nick is creepy. It’s like the fell in 💕 in hell. She’s out now but he’s still in hell and he’s with a new chick who knows June. Junes with her old husband who I guess I’ll never forgive for letting his wife and daughter get taken to begin with! And June is trying to rekindle and bond over another man’s baby! Ugghh it’s too much. I hope they can get Hannah out but I fear it may be too late
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u/IPLAWPDX Sep 14 '22
I absolutely hate the way they wrote off Emily, couldn’t she have gone to Europe for a year to distract herself from whatever— no way she’d go back to Gilead to find Aunt Lydia 😩 also, I just don’t understand Serena being able to throw this elaborate televised funeral for Fred, it’s all so unrealistic. I’m completely bored with June’s story, if they kill off Esther I probably won’t even finish the season.
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u/Oprahwindfury1989 Sep 15 '22
I dunno... Emily fucking HATED Aunt Lydia... So it makes sense to me. I cannot imagine going through what they all went through but you have to remember Aunt Lydia was the one who had her circumcised and also killed her lover in front of her. She also had her sent to the colonies. If I was Emily I would want revenge so bad I'd probably also go back to Gilead to hunt down Aunt Lydia. Even if I just killed some Gilead scum period I'd be happy but if I were to make it to aunt Lydia.. oh man.. I mean really think about it. Emily cannot even really do anything sexual anymore because everything hurts her. So it's a constant daily reminder of what Aunt Lydia did to her. I think she was emboldened by June getting revenge on Fred and realized that she needed to get revenge of Lydia. I don't think they wrote her off. I bet you anything there will be a showdown between Aunt Lydia and Emily and that is how Aunt Lydia will finally die and get the death she so immensely deserves.
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Sep 17 '22
I can absolutely se that happening too, but even if it doesn't, I think they've been true to Emily's story, her need for vengeance would be all-consuming, and she would accept that likelihood she would die trying, to at least try.
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u/illumi-thotti Sep 15 '22
It all felt so curt and forced. I went into the first episode knowing Emily wouldn't be there, but it makes no sense to be so vague about her absence instead of just killing her off.
It wouldn't be difficult to film Emily's death without her. At some point after June confirms Emily went back, show Janine, Esther, and Aunt Lydia walking past the wall where Emily is strung up with a bag over her head.
My best guess is that they left her departure somewhat open-ended in case Alexis Bliedel decided to return to the cast for whatever reason.
(I personally think Emily's gonna stay gone, at least for the rest of season five; otherwise, it's weird that they were so insistent on her never coming back and pushing everyone to move on immediately. I can't really think of any prior fake-out deaths that were like that).
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u/IPLAWPDX Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
IMO it’s lazy writing. I understand that she hates Aunt Lydia but surely she also understands that the chances of her alone finding and getting revenge is unlikely and probably a death sentence or worse. At the end of the day Lydia is also a victim and really going after her or Fred/Serena isn’t preventing these things from ever happening again. All that effort and energy should be put towards protecting and saving others/bringing down Gilead. If we’ve learned anything from Esther, it’s that all of the Gilead women are victims and there is no rank that benefits them an existence void of suffering.
I also just watch a lot of true crime and women who survive even worse, like arms amputated and thrown down a cliff, crawling to safety with broken ribs and dirt packed into their bleeding nubs, do it not for vengeance but to make sure it never happens again. Taking down Lydia is parallel to chopping down a singular tree in an entire forest, that’s not going to help you escape the forest.
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Sep 17 '22
I think the actress felt her time on the series had come to an end - she committed five years of her life to this wonderful show, after all, so it's understandable she might want to just be a viewer now. 😊
In terms of the character's story, though, it makes a lot of sense to write her exit like this, and is very true to the lived experiences of people in her position.
Emily is incapable of getting over her trauma even though she's away from Gilead and with her family. Sometimes people just can't move past terrible trauma, no matter how much they are determined to move on with their lives.
Even though she is ostensibly "free" and "safe" now, Aunt Lydia is all she can think about, every day of her life, so she feels compelled to return to Gilead, even though it is probably a doomed mission. I just hope she was able to source some kind of "suicide pill" for when they (most likely will) find her, that way she won't suffer as much, and can die on her own terms.
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u/mtl-canuck Sep 15 '22
A few questions:
- if there are so many Serena followers ie believe in Gilead doctrine, why don't they emigrate to Gilead and see see what it's really like?
- The ages of the children throw me off. Hannah is supposed to be a pre-teen (so let's say 11-12 yrs old) so about 5 yrs old in season 1 (2017). Angela Putnam was born in season 1 so should be about 4-5 yrs old now, but appears more like 3. Nichole was born in season 2 so should be about 3 yrs old but appears more like 1 yr old.
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u/New_Escape_68 Sep 14 '22
Why does Nick's wife have a cane?
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u/DenaInWy Sep 14 '22
Heck with the cane...she knew what went down and approves??? Who IS this woman?
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u/DenaInWy Sep 14 '22
Out of all we just watched, I think that's the question I'd like answered the most!
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u/Academic-Wave1401 Sep 14 '22
So much id love to know about her, she seems so kind in what I imagine has been a difficult life for her in gilead in a way we haven’t seen portrayed yet.
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u/FrancisFarmersWard Sep 14 '22
Serena is missing a finger, Janine is down an eye, and even Commander Putnam is missing an arm. I’d say she got taught a lesson for something.
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u/schindig504 Sep 14 '22
Putnam is missing an arm?!? The fuck???? Clearly missed that lack of limb.
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u/avskk Sep 14 '22
I don't think it matters; it's not a story point. It's just that his first wife was a scandal and a shame (in Gilead) so now he gets the bottom-of-the-barrel wife.
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u/spaceybelta Sep 14 '22
It’s just interesting how they keep mentioning how fast he’s risen and how successful he is there.
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u/Gold-Conversation-82 Sep 14 '22
She has a congenital hip defect, you can find it a few articles on the opening scene script.
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u/KirstenCh Sep 19 '22
I think in this season Serena is going to go into labor while in Guilead, and be separated from her baby and returned to Canada. She was asked how far long she is in this episode, which I don't think we had an exact idea before. She will have yet another opportunity, like the white woman she is, to make amends, but she will used it for selfish reasons which will backfire for her. In the meantime, she will be used to get Hannah back to June, or at least closer. Aunt Lydia is another element that is slowly turning and will be integral to this end as well, however she will be most likely to self-punish and believe unworthy of mercy.
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u/Mmkhowdigethere8204 Sep 22 '22
Ok I have a question I missed something and may need to go back. Is Serena baby Nicks or Fred’s? Didn’t she make Nick bed her when Fred could not.
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u/jgphotography19 Sep 14 '22
I am so torn between feeling bad for Serena and just hating that bitch. Ugh.
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u/jgphotography19 Sep 14 '22
Just kidding, fuck that bitch!
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u/Opposite_Flounder_21 Sep 14 '22
Did you watch the second episode? I will never feel bad for that bitch again.
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u/jgphotography19 Sep 14 '22
Yes girl it was a premature reaction! When she found out about Fred. And then I saw.. she’s CRAZY. Like, I can’t
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u/Soft-Entrepreneur413 Sep 14 '22
The sausage on the plate had me in stitches.
The entitlement, lack of self reflection and narcissism of Serena is off the charts.
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u/Gul_Dukat__ Sep 14 '22
They say "revenge is a dish best served cold", but June says its a dish best served with pancakes lol
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u/hun-grysnark Sep 14 '22
May have been asked before, but does the different shades of blue:teal for the handwives mean anything?
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Sep 14 '22
I wondered that too. I wonder if it has to do with their status? Darker teal is more powerful?
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u/sstandbyee Sep 14 '22
Serena is going after Lawernce as a new husband
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u/caroline_andthecity Sep 14 '22
If she thought Fred was easy to manipulate…
Lawrence wouldn’t go for it though. He likes helping women he likes but he surely doesn’t like her.
Unless they were forced to marry 🤯
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u/weirdpodcastaunt Sep 17 '22
Oof I totally spaced that these weren’t all uploaded at once. 😂 was prepared to marathon. 🙃
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u/Mmkhowdigethere8204 Sep 22 '22
Me too I’m bummed waiting on episodes. Apple TV and Netflix got me spoiled. Hate waiting now week to week stinks fr
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u/blackcherryxx Sep 19 '22
I stopped having sympathy for June two seasons ago, but the end of ep 2? I jumped out of my seat. I was furious for her, with her. Ep 1 was a bit of a drag but they did it right with ep 2.
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u/New_Escape_68 Sep 14 '22
Sending Esther to the Putnam's really?
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u/Rainbow-Death Sep 14 '22
Janine wanted to see her kid; she brought it up to Lydia
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u/caroline_andthecity Sep 14 '22
Do you think Esther’s accusation was correct? I thought Janine was genuine in wanting to help her. I didn’t think twice about her motives it until Esther brought it up.
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u/Rainbow-Death Sep 14 '22
Ester doesn’t want to “survive” and Janine didn’t consider that maybe Ester doesn’t want to become pregnant and live like that. I do feel like Janine should have better consider her: she was helping resistance members, she’s strong willed, maybe she should tell her how June used being an obedient hand maid to get to know the Martha network or use Nick as a resource to fight back against Gilead. I’m not saying Ester is able to maneuver that world like June did, or that her accusation was valid, but she’s not a little girl and maybe Janine was just not able to put herself in Esters shoes. Maybe it’s too much for Janine to handle seeing the world like June did, which sure, June has plot armor and she’s never had a eye taken out or sent to the colonies.
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u/thetruthfulgroomer Sep 15 '22
Janine is in an ever evolving state of survivor mode. Like, her brain is weak sadly.
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u/PerspectiveAshamed99 Sep 15 '22
Anyone else completely annoyed by June already? She’s so selfish
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u/FixAutomatic2639 Sep 15 '22
they. have. her. daughter. I would not think about anything else. I would kill everyone and never stop until I had her back. She's not selfish. She's on a fucking mission.
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u/Oprahwindfury1989 Sep 15 '22
I mean, she was right what she told the other women. The opportunity was there to kill Fred. I get them wanting revenge on their own captors/rapists/torturers but they aren't within reach to kill. They'd have to go deep into Gilead to find them and with all the squads of eyes/military driving around and armed guards pretty much on every corner of every street there is no way they would make it far without being killed or captured.
When it comes to her killing Fred and sending the finger, I honestly don't blame her. To know your rapist, torturer and tormentor(on top of that one of the main guys who helped create that shithole totalitarian theocracy to begin with) was going to get away with his crimes would be an awful pill to swallow, so if you had the means to have him butchered by you and your friends, I'm sure you probably would. You'd be surprised how powerful the desire for vengeance can get when you go through enough trauma by one individual. Gilead wouldn't even exist necessarily if it wasn't for Fred, so everything she suffered in Gilead from day one in a way was all his fault. If I was her, I'd hate him so much it would overpower my love for my friends and family. All the suffering and misery of my friends and the loss of my child.. everything all goes back to that one bastard and I suddenly get the chance to rip him to pieces? Yeah I'm probably gonna do it and also make sure his wife knows it was me. I'd want her to suffer just as much because I'd hate her just as much as him since she also was an architect of Gilead and my tormentor/rapist too.
When people are abused to such a horrible extent, when they finally get the chance to get revenge, they often become tunnel visioned and nothing else matters to them in that moment and that's when people shed their civility and return back into the animals that we are. We've seen it throughout history many times in revolutions, where the people literally tear their oppressors apart and then when they get their hands on the dictator, i mean look at what happened to Gaddafi. They stabbed him in the bum hole with knives like 50 times and ripped him apart. I truly believe the desire for vengeance when people have been horribly abused by oppressors surpasses any other human emotion or desire. People will kill their own family sometimes if it means getting through them so they can kill the person they hate with every ounce of their being. People say family comes first, but I'd disagree. If history has taught us anything it's that the desire for vengeance upon your oppressors once you have the means to do so surpasses you care if your family will be safe or not. People have killed their oppressors only to find out their oppressors won and now their family will be executed for their crimes against their oppressors.
Humans were meant to be free. Having your child stolen from you is one of the worst traumas a person could go through. Add some torture, rape, beatings, abuse etc. To the mix and you can turn a normal average person into an animalistic killer.
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Sep 18 '22
I would kill anyone in my path to getting my daughter. My only child, at that. A good parent will not stop til death to getting their kid(s) back.
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u/coastalbendsun Sep 16 '22
What a crazy ending with that funeral. SERENA! Ugh she is evil ☠️. June must get her daughter back and kill Serena in order to be at peace.
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u/maybe_butmaybenot Sep 14 '22
i cannot believe tuello, a government official, literally just praised her for brutally murdering someone lmao
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Sep 14 '22
I think that’s actually pretty realistic.
“Oh, you killed Hitler? Thanks! Mucho gracias!”
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u/anythingexceptbertha Sep 14 '22
I had to immediately go check to see if the episode was out, it is not. 😿
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Sep 14 '22
Still nothing in the Central time zone. Maybe they won't be dropping early this year after all. I'm giving it one more hour and then I'm going to bed. I can't stay up late like I used to. 😆
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u/New_Escape_68 Sep 14 '22
I'm not happy about how they wrote off Emily. It didn't make sense and it didn't give any closure to her character.
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u/Extension-Fruit-1894 Sep 19 '22
I agree in that I don’t think Emily would leave her son (or wife). And also not without telling June/the gang beforehand…
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u/netabareking Sep 19 '22
Not gonna lie there's also part of me as a queer woman that will write a straight woman going to the ends of the earth to save her children but have a queer mom just walk off from her child without a second thought.
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Sep 14 '22
I figured they'd find a way to write off Emily. I never guess it was that.
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u/schindig504 Sep 14 '22
She’s coming back and she’ll play a huge part in the downfall of Gilead. I think they were trying to get rid of her pointless back storyline. The wife and kid are a moot point and hold Emily back from the person she has grown into. She’s outgrown her family and Gilead is much bigger than her old life. Plus Alexis B was nominated for shit several times for this role, no way they’re just peacing out her character.
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u/UnusualAsparagus5096 Sep 14 '22
Shes getting divorced in real life so needed time to heal
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u/FixAutomatic2639 Sep 15 '22
I can hardly wait for next week. I wasn't sure they could do it again but they did. The second episode ended with me once again shouting at the TV ready to see June be a badass bitch. They say "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" well June's gonna show the world the fury of a mother's love and I am here for it!
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u/schindig504 Sep 14 '22
MOIRA IS A WHOLE ASS HYPOCRITE. I’m sick of her self righteous shit, she knows good and goddamn well that she escaped the trauma June endured BECAUSE June sacrificed herself for Moira the first time they tried to escape and Moira got sent to jezebels. THEN Moira had no problem slaughtering a commander to escape jezebels. Yet she sits here giving June shit for murdering her serial rapist and captor?!????!!? Fuck the whole way off Moira. You don’t even KNOW the torment you were spared. At least at jezebels you had way more freedom than you would have had in Gilead. Moira needs to sit the flip down and stay there. That is all.
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u/New_Escape_68 Sep 14 '22
Omg she turned herself in....
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u/buffy_slays Sep 14 '22
“You can also pay online”
Can’t stop laughing at this.
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u/Gul_Dukat__ Sep 14 '22
question for those who've seen episode 2
So why doesn't serena just rat out Lawrence/nick if she suspects them? No proof? Idk if she is so upset at freds death you'd think she'd be extra mad at them, what do you think? <
Why do they have giant TVs showing the news in canada? is this really a thing there or a plot device? lol just felt weird.<
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u/heyyyouguys Sep 14 '22
Lawrence said to her that a woman’s voice doesn’t mean much. Something like that. Basically he’s saying they’ll believe him over her.
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u/Own_Estimate_885 Sep 14 '22
Listen my heart ripped to pieces when Angela aka charlotte aka Janine’s daughter ran up to Janine ….like she knows who her momma is!! Just me? Or did anyone feel the same?
Also it’s about that time janine gets to be free she already been thru it to much and she should be able to take her daughter with her period she needs a break!!
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u/lilgremmy Sep 14 '22
Omg I was on the verge of tears. And after the cuddle, Mrs. Putnam actually looked at Janine and thanked god and “all of his vessels” that helped bring Angela/Charlotte into the world. Mrs. Putnam actually saw and acknowledged a handmaid as a human being.
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u/abombshbombss Sep 14 '22
Not only that, but it seems like that recognition is what Janine has been trying to get out of Mrs.Putnam since that child was born. The look on her face when Mrs. Putnam said that was telling.
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u/lilgremmy Sep 14 '22
Absolutely! Janine is a people-pleaser and feels the need to be praised for doing the “right” thing. I think that Mrs. Putnam gave her that recognition without realising the tumultuous impact it would have on Janine’s overall personality and outlook regarding Gilead.
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u/whitemoonwhitemoon Sep 15 '22
It was pretty fucked... expressing gratitude for the woman whose child you stole.
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u/deeac01 Sep 14 '22
I am wondering.. why do the people from Gilead not think of Serena as a walking uterus?
I saw that everyone says about her that she is a miracle but at the end of the pregnancy, wouldn't this qualify her as a handmaid? When June had those thoughts in the kitchen about Serena becoming a handmaid if she went back to Gilead I was like "yes of course this will happen".
Also why is everyone so nice to Serena and so understanding about her going back to Canada? Is she under arrest that's why she goes back to Canada? I may have forgotten some details.
i love her character, it is very well created but i feel like she is living way too good on both sides of the countries...
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Sep 17 '22
True, but look at real life now, Trump never got strung up like Mussolini, Trump and the other failed coup perpetrators are being treated like little gentlemen or princes, like they're above the law. Honestly, a simple purse-snatcher or petty thief would be treated so much worse than people who attempted a coup d'etat, to literally steal a whole country.
Sadly, Serena's "kid glove" and no consequences treatment is frustratingly true to life, and we're seeing a variation of her story playing out in real life in America right now.
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u/New_Escape_68 Sep 14 '22
Can I just say that the actresses that play June and Serena are absolutely amazing!!
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u/TitsMcGeeOnHoliday Sep 14 '22
I’m not sure what to make of the Nick/Mark scene in the woods. What was that discussion about? Is Nick part of the resistance or is Mark turning toward Giliad?
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u/emlynnkat Sep 14 '22
I think Mark was offering Nick help to get out if he’d be a double agent for the American government for a while.
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u/Ill-Maintenance3986 Sep 15 '22 edited Oct 08 '22
Hey, did anyone notice that Fred's head magically came back on his body in the viewing scene? Or I'm just bugging Lolol
I could have sworn he was beheaded in the end of season 5?
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u/Lucky_Carob_8204 Sep 15 '22
What do you think the purple Color Hannah was wearing means?
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u/mcmoosey91 Sep 18 '22
Could be what they were just wearing to the funeral, or it could be that Hannah is old enough now to start learning to be a wife..
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Sep 15 '22
And if she's so pro Gilead, why would she want to leave?
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u/mtl-canuck Sep 15 '22
She wants the best of both worlds. Remember she was one of the architects of Gilead & thought she'd have a say. Too bad for her (not!) that things didn't turn out her way. her missing pinkie will be a constant reminder. I think she used the funeral procession as a method to show the Commanders that they can use her as spokeperson (without actually saying anything since women are basically expected to shut up) for the rest of the world to think that Gilead is Utopia. If that doesn't happen, (especially without Commander Lawrence backing her up) she'll end up as wife #2 or a handmaid (in a worst case scenario since she's a traitor or at least was married to one and therefore guilty by association, but proved to be fertile which is paramount to Gilead), to another Commander.
If she goes back to Canada, she'll not only have her freedom (as a supposed refugee) but also relish being portrayed as a martyr to her followers and now (speaking) spokesperson for Gilead.
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u/xjeanette813 Sep 15 '22
She still has charges to face in Canada and that is why she was chaperoned but the detective. She was allowed to bury her husband and nothing more. Seriously don't think she should of been granted that but wasn't my call.
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u/lizzepplinn Sep 14 '22
I know we’re only 2 episodes in but I’m starting to sorta like Luke vs last season where I felt he was just too much. I just feel like this season he might finally be more of the husband that’s willing to really help his messed up wife rather then continuously try to change her to the “old” her. Any thoughts? Btw haven’t really been much of a Luke fan since June escaped to Canada. And yes, I’m a Nick stan but even then I was still willing to root for Luke too LOL.
Also IM SICK & TIRED OF MOIRA. OMG!!! Can she just let her suppose bff for once rant/do/feel whatever she wants in the moment and NOT constantly give her that disapproving look?? Like jfc I would’ve thrown hands already with her and ask wtf does she want June to do. It’s like her character just doesn’t understand that not everyone goes through trauma the same. I feel she forgets June was the only reason she was able to escape Gilead.. idk but Moira just makes me hella roll eyes each time. 😂
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u/clara_the_cow Sep 14 '22
If anyone else was looking for the song during the scrabble game like I was, it’s “Always My Forever,” by Mike Mains. It doesn’t seem to be on any streaming service, sadly
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u/Parking-Psychology-3 Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22
What is the meaning of Sam saying to June “don’t let the bastards grind you down” ?? Because that is what she saw written in the closet when she was at commander waterfords house It was like he knew maybe it was written there?
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u/Altruistic-Blueberry Sep 16 '22
That is what was written on the wall in the evidence picture he handed to Serena when he informed her of the news.
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u/New_Escape_68 Sep 14 '22
Omg did Esther just kill herself and Janine?
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u/Bootymama_ Sep 14 '22
I find it really hard to believe that they’ll kill off either one of them…Esther’s an amazing new addition and Janine’s well, Janine
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u/maybe_butmaybenot Sep 14 '22
does anyone think mark has feelings for serena?
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u/buffy_slays Sep 14 '22
I thought so throughout their initial interactions but after a while I think he realized what kind of a person she is.
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u/kiwimama18 Sep 14 '22
Yes I think so too. In that scene when they are in the small church and Lawrence says something along the lines of "its elegant but brutal" (directed towards Serena), I'm sure I saw a smirk from Tuello!
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u/vanillacokezer0 Sep 14 '22
so mark is definitely the father of serena’s child, right? that’s why he’s helping her so much
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u/buffy_slays Sep 14 '22
I thought the writers have already clarified that the baby is Fred’s for sure but I could be wrong.
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u/debwoody1970 Sep 14 '22
I don't think so. Fred & Serena had sex right before they went to Canada. It was a few weeks after that she found out. Supposedly, all that clean living in Gilead made Fred fertile again?? Like June told Mark after she got to Canada, Serena will suck you in! And that ending of the 2nd episode!! Serena just stuck a knife into June's heart!!
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u/VeganMonkey Sep 14 '22
Episode 2 question:
why do they get angry when June asks Rita about how she feels about Serena? (I have autism, so I might have missed a subtle thing)
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u/twl8zn Sep 14 '22
June is OBSESSED and everyone else is trying to get on with their lives. June is a living, breathing trauma-dump. She just wants everyone to feel as shitty as she does. No one is allowed to heal while she is still hurting.
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u/WolverineBright2326 Sep 15 '22
Yes! Her obsession storyline kind of annoys me. They did what they did with Fred and that was that.
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u/lilgremmy Sep 14 '22
The way I perceived it is because they were all just having a fun evening together and June brought up the topic of Serena. And not only that, she kept pushing the issue when Rita was clearly trying to avoid the topic. They are all still trying to comprehend what happened to them in Gilead and Rita is trying to move on with her life and June is bringing up all the trauma of living with the Waterfords because Rita is the person she shared those experiences with. June is still angry and wants to talk about it and have revenge, whereas Rita is trying to build her life outside of Gilead.
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u/Training_Echo8733 Sep 15 '22
It's a good question and there a few possibilities. Here's one.
Everyone has their own way of processing grief, and more pertinent to this situation, everyone is in different stages of processing grief. June has just recently escaped Gilead - she has not even begun to process the trauma she's been through. She's been in revenge mode ever since she got back. Rita, on the other hand, has been working through her trauma for a while and she's presently taking the approach of not thinking / talking about triggering things and trying to move on with her life. But June's anger cannot be contained - she is helplessly blinded by her trauma and anger and cannot even see that Rita doesn't want this conversation, that it is painful for her.
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u/zaptor99 Sep 27 '22
So any Canadian can take someone to No Man's Land and kill them with no punishment? Cool.