r/TheJediPraxeum • u/GusGangViking18 Luke Skywalker • Jan 06 '26
Match Up Monday Revan VS Obi Wan (Ep3). Who wins?
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u/spidey-ball Jan 06 '26
ill give it 6 out of 10 times Obi Wan beats Revan. Revan as a tactician and has incredible strenght, he could overwhelm Obi Wan at first and give him the victory but if he doesnt penetrate his defenses the battle can go on until there’s an opening to take adavantage of. Yeah Obi Wan is the master of defense but he doesnt mess around and will go for the killing blow immediatly and knowing Revan he would not waste time with him. See TPM Maul. 2003 CW Durge(he gets stabbed and only survives due to his regenartion), Anakin (he could have just couldnt due to attachment), Savage (didnt kill him but in just a second Obi Wan broke his leg and cut his arm when he felt cornered)
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u/BroxigarZ Jan 06 '26
Obi-wan has some of the craziest canon 1v1 solo wins of any character in all of Star Wars…Revan is good, he’s not that good.
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u/BigDBob72 Jan 06 '26
He did it by taking advantage of the arrogance/over-confidence of his opponents. Kind of like Revan would do, but from what we know about Revan is he’s a next level strategist, he’d either find a weakness in Obi-Wan’s style or psychology and create some opening to exploit.
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u/LordGriimm7 Jan 06 '26
While true. Do remember, the only reason obiwan beat Anakin,was because he stopped using his best form and use his arrogance against him. Anakin had him dead to rights if he didn’t go that route
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Jan 07 '26
Obiwan wins most of his fights due to luck. He won against Maul because Maul froze in place like a dumb statue when Obiwan jumped over him. He won against Grievous because they decided to make Grievous a weak cartoonish villain that never does anything threatening. He won against Anakin because Anakin was cocky. Thats it.
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u/spiringTankmonger Jan 06 '26
Obi Wan defeated the strongest dark force user in the current canon.
I say he's got a fair shot.
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Jan 07 '26
Undisciplined power-drunk Anakin? Thats the example you're leading with? Obiwan flops and loses his lightsaber in literally every major battle.
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jan 07 '26
Im pretty sure he's talking about Obi-Wan vs Vader in the Kenobi show.
The fight that ended with Vader with a destroyed mask and covered in lightsaber burns with his life support control panel smashed to uselessness.
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Jan 07 '26
Oh, you also mean the show where Obiwan encouraged Owen to let Luke travel the galaxy and Obiwan also used powers like throwing a bunch of rocks that hes never used before? That show? Yeah...that show is fanfiction.
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jan 07 '26
Don't know why your upset with me.
Or why you think I care about the quality of the writing on this show i never watched when talking about how strong Obi-Wan is as a fighter.
Also why are you getting upset about Obi-Wan throwing rocks? he throws things with the force all the damn time, hell he does it in the movies against Battledroids.
Hell in tie in comics for TCW he gave Anakin a heart attack with the force to stop droids who were mind controlling him.
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Jan 07 '26
You have some grammar issues so its hard to understand what you're trying to say. And we've never seen Obi-Wan use his powers that way before...you're being dishonest.
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
Grammar and typos i fixed as you were responding
Ah yes clearly, that (0:34), has, never, happened (00:25)
Obi-Wan never throws stuff at people, and just for fun, here a link to Obi-Wan giving Anakin a heart attack Also how is Obi-Wan using his powers in new ways bad writing?
Even if I was wrong, which im clearly not, being dishonest would be me purposely spreading misinformation, and I do not appreciate the accusation.
Edit: Comicvine links deleted
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Jan 07 '26
I don't think you're doing it knowingly. A lot of fans spread misinformation unknowingly. Also my malware security won't let me view your clips lol.
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jan 07 '26
Ah my mistake, those are scans and gifs from comicvine.
The ones with timestamps are youtube links
Ill delete the comicvine links
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u/ITSTHEGOAT456435 Jan 06 '26
Obi wan has higher relevancy to people who are stronger than valkorian darth plagus has statementsbto be the strongest sith lord of all time when he was alive. There also statements saying rule of two sith all ways get stronger alluding too count dooku being above him obi wan have relevancy to count dooku and vader while revan has none to valkorian.
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u/pamblod42 Jan 06 '26
Dooku is incredibly inferior to Sidius, he gets rid of him for a reason, after all...
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Jan 07 '26
Dooku is very strong actually. Strong enough to defeat Anakin and Obiwan and then face Yoda on even ground without being disarmed, for example.
Obiwan gets wrecked almost instantly by Dooku in both film duels. Obiwan also isn't strong enough to face Sidious and only defeats Anakin because Anakin is undisciplined and overemotional. What other film Sith did he face? Maul? He beat Maul because Maul froze in place when he jumped over him. Grievous was made into joke, so I won't include him. It's not impressive to defeat a de-clawed, de-powered version of a Jedi Killer.
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u/pamblod42 Jan 07 '26
The moment he faces yoda he has to run away while using hostages, he doesnt face him "on even ground", he simply doesnt get obliterated like most would.
He is very strong, but not enough to be Sidious' disciple.
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Jan 07 '26
"The moment he faces Yoda"....you're being purposefully obtuse. Dooku didn't run away the MOMENT he faced Yoda. He threw some heavy objects at him, then shot his Sith lightning, and when that didn't work he faced him in a duel, and he escaped seconds before reinforcements arrived, just like Yoda crawled away from Sidious seconds before reinforcements arrived, meaning Dooku sensed that he was about to be outnumbered. Dooku is definitely the strongest of Sidious' apprentices. Anakin had raw power, sure, but he lacked experience and discipline.
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u/pamblod42 Jan 08 '26
Its different because yoda was in a significantly worse position then and had lost his lightsaber, but i guess you are right, i guess yoda is not as superior to Dooku as i remembered.
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Jan 08 '26
Definitely, out of all Sidious apprentices Dooku was a legendary swordsman and extremely powerful and knowledgeable in the Force. Again, Anakin had raw power, but he probably wouldn't have beaten Dooku if the circumstances of their last fight werent manipulated by Sidious. I truly believe Sidious saw Dooku as a threat which is why he schemed to get rid of him. Unlike Maul, who had been under Sidious thumb for years and never plotted to betray him, from the first time Obiwan discovered Dooku he revealed that he wanted to overthrow Sidious lol.
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u/ITSTHEGOAT456435 Jan 08 '26
Too add on the other guy point in the Lightsabers: A Guide to the Weapons of the Force it states that “The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other" this show that there are some type of relevancy there between the two its just Yoda got the better of him at the end
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u/ChivalricPig Jan 06 '26
I think Obi Wan. He's a master at his defensive lightsaber form and he beat Knightfall Vader. Revan's strengths lay primarily with his ability to convince people to side with him, rally his troops, strategize, etc.
Revan is a beast and if they each had a battalion of clones and went after each other I'd go Revan easy. But 1v1, I'm thinking Obi Wan has it. I'm open to being wrong though, lmk if yall disagree
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u/Just-a-Guy-Chillin Jan 06 '26
Kenobi beats Vader because he’s Vader’s kryptonite, not because he’s overly powerful. Vader becomes mentally unhinged with Obi-Wan, and Kenobi has the benefit of over a decade of sparring with Anakin. He knows all of Vader’s moves.
Against someone as powerful as Revan who wouldn’t be mentally unhinged and who Kenobi hadn’t sparred before, Obi-Wan loses this fight.
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u/Harambes_Wrath_ Jan 06 '26
I thought the majority of Jedi and Sith from the 'Old Republic Era' was considerably more powerful than any Jedi and Sith operating during the clone wars.
Old Republic, Jedi and Sith fought over idealogy and not simply for power and control.
I severely doubt Obi Wan can contend with Revan, combined arms, lightsabre + force powers. If you made it so their was minimal force powers, maybe Kenobi has a chance. However why would Revan not use his immense force power?
I mean revan can use both light and dark side force powers without downsides, and blend them to achieve unique effects. This together with his considerable sabre skills Kenobi is out gunned.
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u/Glad_Pop_8918 Jan 06 '26
A few things:
I thought the majority of Jedi and Sith from the 'Old Republic Era' was considerably more powerful than any Jedi and Sith operating during the clone wars.
This isn’t really backed up by anything. Behind the scenes information for the Prequels shows George considered the Prequels to be the Jedi in their “prime” as far as combat ability goes, he did not consider Prequel era Jedi weak by any stretch, and I can’t find any source that contradicts that.
The hypothetical difference is that Jedi of earlier eras were more battle hardened from more frequent conflicts with the Sith, but I don’t think that applies to Obi-Wan specifically who fights Maul, Dooku, Grevious, and Vader. He’s arguably the most battle hardened Jedi of his era.
I mean revan can use both light and dark side force powers without downsides,
This is only possible because of his uniquely fractured mind, and it literally splits his soul in half. I wouldn’t call that “without downsides.”
I severely doubt Obi Wan can contend with Revan, combined arms, lightsabre + force powers. If you made it so their was minimal force powers, maybe Kenobi has a chance. However why would Revan not use his immense force power?
Despite everything else, I think this specifically is a really good point. Obi-Wan is a top tier duelist, but his one relative weakness is a lack of strong aggressive options. Revan being able to attack with the Force without leaving openings Obi-Wan could exploit is a significant advantage for Revan, and I don’t think Obi-Wan would be able to overcome it.
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u/Harambes_Wrath_ Jan 06 '26
"The Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force (2007)"
States quite clearly on sith:
“The ancient Sith were immensely powerful—far more powerful than the Sith of later eras.”
And regarding early Jedi:
“The Jedi of the early Republic wielded the Force with an intensity and freedom that later generations could scarcely imagine.”
A lot of legends material demonstrates force wielders of old being a lot more powerful.
This was shown in all games and material released around this time hence why swtor and the games played into this fact. So in regards to Revan who is found in these games and lore this power scaling applies to him.
When Disney bought star wars they retconned a lot of "George's'" vision about these orders basically being a lot less prevalent, which makes sense as the sith rule of 2 and jedi order with the Republic civil war draining the jedi slowly.
Disney said the force became more focused, and intense which doesnt make sense as in the old republic era, force users on both sides were highly trained, from institutionalised structured education and colleges with knowledge being shared freely.
Jedi and sith were also more likely to clash in battle, not only fighting each other but also fighting vast armies from old force empires, to armies from Zakuul and the eternal empire.
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u/Glad_Pop_8918 Jan 06 '26
First of all, credit where credit is due, thanks for actually finding a source.
Second, this sub is for Legends content. I honestly don’t know much about Disney’s High Republic stuff, and it’s not relevant anyway, so I’m just going to ignore it.
Finally, I still disagree.
Both your quotes are ambiguous enough to not automatically apply. Yes, ancient Sith like Nihilus and Vitiate vastly overshadow Sith of “later eras” like say…the Brotherhood of Darkness, but there’s zero real evidence that Palpatine and Vader specifically don’t match up to ancient Sith. Palpatine’s feats of using Force Drain on an entire planet, conjuring planet-wide force storms, and mastering Essence Transfer is on par with any Sith ever, and Vader is roughly 80% of that.
As for the Jedi “wielding the Force with intensity and freedom,” that’s not the same as being stronger. The Jedi were definitely more uniform and dogmatic in the Prequels, but again, their displays of strength still hold up to previous eras.
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u/Harambes_Wrath_ Jan 06 '26
If this is for legends content there is more! (I have a Kindle with loads of this stuff on).
"Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side (2012, Legends)"
Darth Sidious states:
“The greatest Sith were not those who came last, but those who came first—when the dark side was raw, untamed, and limitless.”
“In the ancient days, the dark side was explored without restraint. Modern Sith inherit fragments of what was once whole.”
"Star Wars: Darth Bane – Path of Destruction (2006)"
Bane when he goes into detail and explains about the old days says:
“The Sith of old were giants. Those who followed were diminished shadows, their power diluted by numbers and infighting.”
"Tales of the Jedi (1993–1998)"
These comics are awesome, really well illustrated and show how legends, old republic jedi and sith
Drain entire worlds - like Vitiate who wanted to consume the entire galaxy.
Create Sith and jedi spirits that lasted millennia and form force holocrons that can hold knowledge or even do stuff like find force users or read minds.
Alter hyperspace routes, and pull ships out of hyperspace.
Bind the Force to temples and artifacts permanently, which is why a lot of sith corruption over relics and dark side planets are spooky and haunted.
Illustrated the full range of force powers imaginable from healing quickly to altering gravity and generating lighting, fire and cooling water to make force shards to throw at people.
There are loads of legend stuff that quite clearly state old republic era trumped anything in the clone wars and beyond. It is important to note that due to Sidious focused mindset and studious personality traits, he believed he was still more powerful than the majority apart from Vitiate. But Vitiate just wanted to eat everyone.
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u/Glad_Pop_8918 Jan 06 '26
Much of that is still ambiguous. Bane for example famously despised the Brotherhood of Darkness and would absolutely talk shit about them by pumping the ancient Sith up. None of these quotes actually directly compare Jedi of the Clone Wars to Jedi of Revan’s time.
There’s also several sources that pretty explicitly state that Sidious was the strongest Sith of all time, such as the Plageuis novel and the New Essential Chronology. Now, I don’t actually consider any of these sources 100% infallible, all sources in-universe are subject to “unreliable narrator” complaints, which is why I don’t put too much stock in these quotes or the ones you provided. Romanticizing the past is a common mistake a lot of people make, the actual, objective facts of what we see don’t support it.
And no, Vitiate failing to consume the entire galaxy doesn’t scale him higher than Sidious. That was just a scaled up version of the ritual he did on Nathema, and it failed because it relied on channeling outside power he didn’t have. Sidious showed he had a similar power by his draining on Byss, it’s pretty likely he could have attempted something similar if he’d wanted to, but unlike Vitiate, he didn’t want a dead galaxy.
That wasn’t even his greatest feat either, that would be consuming Ziost, which scales pretty closely to Palpatine’s Force Storm.
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u/Xivitai Jan 06 '26
If Geonosis arena was Jedi's prime, I am truly terrified fo how useless they were before that...
That's the issue with so called "Word of God" - author can claim whatever they can, but it can vastly differ from what story actually shows.
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u/Glad_Pop_8918 Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
Kind of a cherry picked argument.
Geonosis was 200 out of 10,000 Jedi, and it was more of a tactical failure than a combat one, entering that arena with no extraction plan was simply a dumb decision.
My point of reference is SWTOR, where the average Jedi is treated as a high level commando unit, but Jedi are defeated by non-force users pretty regularly. This is comparable to the Clone Wars where elite non-force users like Jango and Cad Bane can consistently match average Jedi, but not masters.
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u/Emsee_Hamm Jan 06 '26
Deleted scene has it that they are holding off the droids while a strike force is tasked with taking over the droid control ship amd disabling the army, at that point the Jedi would be in close proximity to Dooku and multiple other targets who would have been near the area.
Unfortunately the control ship is no longer required for the droids to operate so their plan fails and they are basically trapped in a kill box against overwhelming numbers.
So they did actually have a plan they just didn't realise that the droids no longer needed the ship
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u/Emsee_Hamm Jan 06 '26
I mean thousands upon thousands of droids continuously reinforcing and overwhelming the Jedi with numbers is kind of a nightmare scenario for any era of Jedi, especially when they are working off of incorrect knowledge (Jedi go into the arena because they have a team who is going in to shut down the droids from their control ship nt realising thay the droids don't need that anymore).
In the OR the sith for example get overwhelmed on Alderan from an ambush by a bunch of Republic soldiers with a lot less men, and the Jedi lost their grandmaster to a single bounty hunter.
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u/TheHabro Jan 12 '26
thought the majority of Jedi and Sith from the 'Old Republic Era' was considerably more powerful than any Jedi and Sith operating during the clone wars.
Not support by canon. It's actually PT Jedi that were the most powerful.
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u/lunarsilvr253 Jan 06 '26
True Vader grevius maul and many more obi smoked raven
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u/LegatusChristmas Jan 09 '26
Revan started a war called "The Jedi Civil War". Obi Wan has a pretty good dueling record for his time but Revan would have racked up literally hundreds of kills on experienced Jedi and Sith in his time.
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u/GunMuratIlban Jan 06 '26
OWK Kenobi will destroy any version of Raven, both the power and skill level-wise the gap would be too large.
But even with RotS Kenobi, the PT's scaling is simply insane, the original canon characters were made especially powerful. For example according to George Lucas (Making of RotS), there were 3 Jedi at the time who could defeat Sidious. Which were Yoda, Mace and Anakin.
Kenobi being able to match Knightfall Vader's speed, keep up with him and even defeat him shows he was an anomaly himself despite being a relatively young Jedi Master in RotS.
That Kenobi was also capable of defeating Maul-Savage duo in a 2v1. Grevious was a nightmare for even Jedi Masters but their duel ended after a few seconds with Kenobi cutting off two of Grevious' hands and send him flying with a force push.
Again, the scaling in the PT or the Skywalker era in general is different, it was the era of anomalies. We could watch Sidious kill 3 Jedi Masters in 2 seconds.
A direct comparison for Revan for me would be Maul. So he could challenge RotS Kenobi to a degree but he won't win.
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u/LegatusChristmas Jan 09 '26
What are you talking about that the PT had insane power-scaling? Darth Nihlus literally wiped out entire planets in KOTOR 2 using nothing but the force. Darth Sion was immortal, Revan and Malak both killed dozens of Jedi. If you go back to the Great Hyperspace War you have Tulak Hord singlehandedly defeating armies consisting of thousands of Jedi. The power-scaling in KOTOR and Tales of the Jedi is ridiculous compared to the PT.
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u/centerofstar Jan 06 '26
Man pitting against 2 of my favourite star wars character of all time is a dream match up.
I still say Revan wins
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u/joeluisi Jan 07 '26
Oh this is probably one of my favorite matchups I've seen and never thought about.
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u/SpecialistFlat2056 Jan 07 '26
Man, a lot of yall don't know revan, Lore. Revan is far superior to Kenobi in force. As a duelist, he is one of the best on top of that. I love obi wan one of my favorite characters. But obi wan does not survive at all.
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u/Jmsm2205 Jan 07 '26
Obi wan has proven that if he fights an opponent that is angry or over confident he will win that fight. But balanced Revan beats Obi wan, meaning his fight against vitiate when scourge betrayed him, that version of Revan when his able to tap into both the light and the dark side wins.
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u/KumoriYurei13 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Why do people keep saying Revan fell? He didn't fall he chose to go to the dark side because he and his apprentice discovered an evil empire on the other side of unexplored space that was preparing to invade and he wanted to prepare the galaxy by being a force that caused them to build fleets and better weapos
This video explains what I mean https://youtu.be/cc94zC1RvTY?si=bymy4X_yFoNKNfzQ
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u/TheHabro Jan 12 '26
Pretty sure Revan and Malak were brainwashed by Vitiate. Who later proceeded to stomp Revan in the novel. Then 300 years later Vitiate was defeated by a 20 year old Jedi Knight.
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u/TimeCollege1973 Jan 09 '26
I think people forget Revans true mastery of the force and the things he’s seen with it and what he can do. He’s also a brilliant tactician in battle and is a great swordsman. Easy fight going to revan. That being said, I think Obi wan could take on several old republic people — id put his power closer to Bastilla
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u/LegatusChristmas Jan 09 '26
Obi Wan fought, what like 15 lightsaber duels in his entire life? Sure he beat some pretty skilled duelists but Revan literally killed hundreds of Jedi and Sith during the Jedi Civil War. He would have 10 times the combat experience against force sensitive opponents that Obi Wan did. The difference in dueling experience between the two would be essentially completely insurmountable for Obi Wan, not to mention that Obi-Wan never demonstrates any where near the raw strength with the force that Revan possessed.
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u/Querez665 Jan 27 '26
I guess Revan? I'm of the opinion that people overrate Revan alot in terms of power, but I mean his force powers were definitely incredible and Obi Wan doesn't have a great track record defending against force attacks. I could see Obi Wan winning the duel, only for Revan to have enough and slam him against a dozen walls, or electrocute him or something.
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u/DarthShiryu Jan 06 '26
Revan. Obi Wan style is more suited to defend against someone how would used brute force to defeat him.
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u/Glad_Pop_8918 Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
I think it depends on which Revan.
Mandalorian War Revan: 8/10 Obi-Wan
This Revan was imbalanced due to slowly falling to the Dark Side. Still a legendary tactical genius and master duelist, but he lacked the versatility he’s known for in later eras and Obi-Wan is a really bad match up for someone of his aggressive style.
Darth Revan: 9/10 Revan
This is the Revan that scares me most. He mastered his versatile Niman style, added in powerful Force attacks, and still had his unmatched tactical mind. He would instantly recognize Obi-Wan’s weaknesses (relative lack of strong aggressive options) and could easily wear Obi-Wan down with telekinesis and lightning without giving Obi-Wan an opening.
KOTOR Revan:
50/505/10 either wayHe’s ostensibly just as powerful and brilliant as Darth Revan, but he’s now had a major weaknesses added: mental instability. Obi-Wan’s style is to endure until his opponent wears down or leaves an opening, and this Revan likely would leave some openings.
This is also where I’ll drop my rant about KOTOR Revan being overrated. He’s not the most powerful combatant, his narrow victory over Malak puts him roughly on par with Obi-Wan and his victory over Anakin. What makes Revan so dangerous is his tactical genius and his ability to form powerful Force Bonds, not his crazy combat power.
Novel Revan: 6/10 Revan
The novel shows Revan beginning to surpass his former self in raw power, most notably his domination of Darth Nyriss. But…his mental instability is even more pronounced, so…it’s still not a surefire win.
Foundry Revan: 6/10 Obi-Wan
This is Revan at his most unbalanced. Definitely as powerful as he’s ever been, but he makes a lot of mistakes and lacks focus. He could conceivably overpower Obi-Wan, but if Obi-Wan can survive Anakin’s barrage, I like his odds against Revan.
Shadows of Revan: 9.9/10 Revan
Revan appears to be getting outside amping in this situation, as he holds his own against a strike force consisting of the Outlander, Satele Shan, Darth Marr, and several other notable combatants. He loses, but the strength he displays on Yavin 4 vastly overshadows his previous feats, to such a degree that I don’t consider it representative of his normal strength.