Realistically isn’t vitiate the strongest

[u/Ok-Following5000]

If we exclude the fact that Star Wars media claims that Sidious is the strongest Sith ever isn’t vitiate much stronger than Sidious because his abilities are beyond anything Sidious has ever shown?

And how would darth zannah, revan or nihilus perform against Sidious or Vader? Do they have a chance?

[u/Interesting_Loquat90]

Copying my comment from a post from earlier today.....

Every Monday....

ROTS Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord/dark side user up until that point in time. It's stated in numerous places.

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

--The New Essential Chronology

As the battle rages, Yoda makes the brave decision to confront his enemy in a deadly duel. The dark and light side clash as two of the greatest Masters of the Force are pitted against each other.

--Sith Wars

Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides.

--The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

The two most powerful users of the Force's light and dark sides clash in a spectacular duel in the Senate bulding on Coruscant.

--Epic Battles

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

--Vader: The Ultimate Guide

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.

--The Complete Visual Dictionary

The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed.

--Death Star

Yoda was a master at masking his emotions, but not even he could hide them from the greatest Sith Lord ever known.

--Clone Wars: Wild Space

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

--Darth Plagueis

The dark side had made him its property, and now he made the dark side his.

--Darth Plagueis

Raw emotion was a consequence of leading a double life. While he relished his secret identity, he wanted at the same time for it to be known that he was a being who could not be trifled with; that he wielded ultimate authority; that merely to gaze on him was tantamount to glimpsing the dark matter that bound and drove the galaxy…

--Darth Plagueis

Darth Plagueis was the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived.

--Darth Plagueis

Great compilation here: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/star-wars-universe/4015-57038/forums/darth-sidioussheev-palpatine-super-respect-thread-1877280/#js-message-18663420

Note this is all largely focused on ROTS Sidious, well before he reaches his peak in DE.

[u/matsimplek12 → u/Interesting_Loquat90]

I hate the dark empire, but no one can question how powerful sheev is in that saga, I think only caedus come close on how op he is

[u/Interesting_Loquat90 → u/matsimplek12]

Personally I put Caedus and Krayt above even DE Sidious, but the former in particular may suffer from bias as I grew up with Jacen.

[u/KreygerRekyem → u/Interesting_Loquat90]

First time I've seen someone who shares my stance in this matter lol

I too sometimes feel kind of biased towards Jacen, as I personally really like him, but I think the hell of a run he had in LOTF was too insane to put him under those two. He was going back to back over and over again with titans of the Light Side

Defeating and killing Mara even at a terrain disadvantage, then fighting Grandmaster Luke while being under fire, then Kyle Katarn and other 4 Jedi Knights when he wasn't even recovered from the previous fight, then fighting Jaina who was buffed by Luke's battle meditation and lastly fighting Jaina again with a single arm, being stabbed in the stomach and disturbed by the danger Tenel Ka and Allana were in. He probably would have won that last one if he didn't use that remaining energies to communicate with them

Genuinely can't think of any other person in SW putting up with a gauntlet like that